A Storm of Swords - Lay your swords down!

[Andrius]

ON the subject of Kast, I'm wondering if his town-flip would confirm Zdenek; wouldn't Zdenek come out as Serial Killer or something? :S

[Benmage]

ON the subject of Kast, I'm wondering if his town-flip would confirm Zdenek; wouldn't Zdenek come out as Serial Killer or something? :S

Not if the SK is inv-immune.

Because people are confirm biasing and they see me as a mislynch? I sort of thought that was obvious, yes?

confirm biasing...PoE?....Yes, a mislynch.... whose fault would that be again?

[Andrius]

True. My bad.

[Thor665]

@Ben - the people who are confirm biasing me and want to lynch me without having to present a case because they know it's not there and/or super weak of course.

[Nexus]

Could we get Hascow to shoot Zdenek?

[Benmage]

Could we get Hascow to shoot Zdenek?

Zdenek is BP...this is Kast confirmed. Which makes sense for a SK to be anyways.

We'll just have you rb him again, until he's ripe for plucking.

[Nexus]

Oh right. I must've missed that. Derp.

[Andrius]

I'm treating Nexus like confirmed town for the forseeable future; or, at least until another scumteam flips.
Hang on, reads list incoming.

[Benmage]

I think Thor and Setael should be claiming today.

[Andrius]

TOWNIER THAN AN IRISHMAN:
Magua
DGB
Locke
Andrius [:P]
Nexus
popsofctown

AS TOWN AS AN IRISHMAN:
Benmage

Kast, Lannister

Bunnylover
LynchMePls
shadow
danakillsu

WEARING ORANGE ON PATRICK'S DAY:
That hydra with hito in it

SCUMMIER THAN WEARING ORANGE ON PATRICK'S DAY:
ZDENEK
SETAEL
THOR665

RAIVANN, Lannister

HasCow


I second claimage if we get a plan in which both die. Claiming should happen BEFORE the event, in all cases.

[popsofctown]

I coudve sworn I posted here.


Anyway, I don't see why we can't lynch normally today.

Town A votes Town B
Everyone else votes Town B
Town B nominates Town C as champ (if he doesn't he can screw everyone over but viola, alignment info)
Town A nominates Scum A as champ
All townies unanimously vote for Town C to kick Scum A's butt.

[Nexus]

Was working on a post on and off through the day but just got a PM from mod that kinda turns it on it's head.
Anyway, I got a confirmation of mod error, Zdenek is correct, his role name is actually Modified

NK

Immune, and I was mistakenly told Modified Kill Immune. It's getting into outguessing the mod territory, but getting a clarification on that inclines me to believe Zdenek...it would be a bit skirting the line of mod helping a faction if Zdenek was scum and mod sent that PM to protect him.

I still think it's odd that Zdenek switched up his reads on D2 to almost entirely buddying with MoI/Magua/Benmage, but I suppose lazy town who doesn't want to put effort into catching up can get by easier by just buddying the "town leaders".

So, Hascow could shoot Zdenek.

[Magua]

@DGB:

In case you missed it, please reply to Benmage's question in #2126 about your hypocop results.

Table C did nothing. I talked a lot with Raivann, but he was all over the place in terms of his suspicions -- boiled down to, at the end, whoever voted him most recently moved to the top of his scumlist. No really useful insights there.

Danakillsu and hasdgfas were almost entirely absent. LynchMePls was present and talked, but nothing really happened. No claims were made.

Odd....we don't have a doctor?

What does this have to do with anything?

Benmage/Magua not being dead is somewhat odd. :S

Explain why it's odder than, say, hasdgfas and Locke Lamora not being dead?

ON the subject of Kast, I'm wondering if his town-flip would confirm Zdenek; wouldn't Zdenek come out as Serial Killer or something? :S

Didn't I make this exact argument yesterday? Seriously?

Anyways, trial by combat. Here's how we throw down. We're going to pick two people -- the scummiest person, and the second-scummiest person. In this scenario, I will use Setael as the scummiest person and Andrius as the second-scummiest person, because I can.

We lynch the SECOND SCUMMIEST person -- Andrius. Say I'm first on the wagon.

Andrius is told to chose the SCUMMIEST person -- Setael -- as his champion. If he does, great; I choose someone else, we all vote to kill Setael, and both Setael and Andrius die. Town gets a double-lynch.

If he does not -- if instead he picks, say, hasdgfas -- then *I* pick the SCUMMIEST person -- Setael -- and everyone still votes for Setael to die. Then, the next day, Andrius will be lynched. Town doesn't get a double lynch, but town did get the lynch of the scummiest player, and gets confirmed scum for tomorrow.

End result is that if we lynch the SECOND SCUMMIEST person, we guarantee the death of the SCUMMIEST person today, and the death of the second scummiest person either today or tomorrow, depending on if they follow the plan or not.

VOTE: Andrius

[hasdgfas]

Explain why it's odder than, say, hasdgfas

*points to Richard in A Clash of Kings*

I coudve sworn I posted here.


Anyway, I don't see why we can't lynch normally today.

Town A votes Town B
Everyone else votes Town B
Town B nominates Town C as champ (if he doesn't he can screw everyone over but viola, alignment info)
Town A nominates Scum A as champ
All townies unanimously vote for Town C to kick Scum A's butt.

*ponders*

[Magua]

pops' plan nets us a scummy-lynch. It's an elaborate way of bypassing the duel.

My plan is better in that it will either get us two scummy-lynches, or get us a scummy-lynch and a confirmed-scum-lynch-the-next-day. That is, it makes the duel work to our advantage.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB

The hypocop result that was given to you on greyice slot....Was it alignment confirmed, or rolecop, or namecop? And it occurred N1? And you haven't gotten anything else?

It was ALIGNMENT.

I have gotten nothing else.

Maybe it's a hypo-allsorts-investigator...

[DrippingGoofball]

pops' plan nets us a scummy-lynch. It's an elaborate way of bypassing the duel.

My plan is better in that it will either get us two scummy-lynches, or get us a scummy-lynch and a confirmed-scum-lynch-the-next-day. That is, it makes the duel work to our advantage.

I'm opposed to the players you've put forward.

At the wedding table, I got a pro-town vibe from Setael.

[Magua]

Benmage, I'd like to hear what you received now.

DGB: FYPOV, who's mafia? There's at least three left, so if you don't want Setael, who do you want?

[DrippingGoofball]

We need to lynch Zdenek and Thor. He killed Kast.

[Thor665]

At the wedding table, I got a pro-town vibe from Setael.

I actually agree with this. He was sloppy and silly, but he did seem pro-town in how he was responding to stuff.

@DGB - you don't need to bother posting a case on me, because...yeah.

Also, I might have killed Kast, but would have waited for him to have a chance to clarify if he was being rude on purpose or by accident first - I do have manners. Also, also - I will point out I was the first one who called Kast town, prior to the claim and everything. Just keep on trucking the confirmation bias, you can push this wagon through without explaining anything.

I'm leaning DGB or Andrius as smart lynches today. I've got too many town reads and not enough scum reads. DGB kill is tech at this stage anyway, and I have never been able to read her. Andrius is suspect for his 'Thor isn't towny as Thor could be...um...that's the case, along with other things I'll mention without showing how they're scummy in any way' case.
I think I'd like to see one more roleblock of Zdenek prior to lynching Zdenek. I don't fully love this plan, but brilliance lies therein methinks.

Vote: Andrius

[Bunnylover]

OKAY SPAM! Sorry.

What if we vote Bunnylover and have her champion Setael or Thor. We kill these two. To cover our asses we have Nexus be the first voter who will champion Zednek. Worse case scenario we lose our RB but kill a likely SK and confirm BL as scum.

NEXUS VOTE BUNNYLOVER ASAP

Although I'm still confused at the whole Trial by combat, I disagree with this as I'm not scum.
Sorry .
Also the doctor is an idiot, assuming we do have one.

So if we lynch Thor, and he doesn't choose Setael, and I choose Setael, who do we kill off Thor and his champion or me and Setael?

@Mod: Oh now I understand it.

[Thor665]

If I'm the lynch than you're safe unless I choose you as champion or the first voter chooses you as champion. Only the lynchee and the champions are at risk for death today.

[DrippingGoofball]

Also, I might have killed Kast

You realize that there is no pro-town explanation for your targeting of Kast.

[Eddard Stark]

Most people seem to understand the mechanic but there's been a few "almost there"s that I'd like to avoid. So here is a definitive example based on the books.

Lady Lysa accuses Tyrion of murder (and thus is the first vote on the wagon). The wagon is successful and would otherwise "lynch" Tyrion. However, Tyrion calls for trial by combat. He nominates Bronn to champion him. Lady Lysa nominates Ser Vardis Egen to be her champion.

Ser Vardis Egen and Bronn duel to the death (secret vote). If Bronn loses the duel and dies, Tyrion is found guilty and is executed.
If Ser Vardis Egen loses the duel and dies, Tyrion is found innocent and is released.
Lady Lysa is not on trial and thus is in no risk of death. Although she is at high risk of being a stupid crazy bitch who deserves to die.

[DrippingGoofball]

We could nominate Zdenek to "defend" Thor.