A Storm of Swords - Lay your swords down!

[Benmage]

My plan is better in that it will either get us two scummy-lynches, or get us a scummy-lynch and a confirmed-scum-lynch-the-next-day. That is, it makes the duel work to our advantage.

Yes, this is what I suggested only with voting Setael to nom Thor...Who if he doesn't, I will nom. If Set noms Thor we all have my champion whoever it is defeat thor killing both Set and Thor.

ANDRIUS IS UNTOUCHABLE. Magua. Trust me on this my friend.

We need to lynch Zdenek and Thor.

He killed Kast.

Also, I might have killed Kast

We could nominate Zdenek to "defend" Thor.

Nah Zden's not in this equation. We are going to RB him again.

Suggest someone better than Set and Thor. Right now that is the best combo I see. Andrius is 100% out of the equation, and Zden is illogical as well.

[Setael]

@Bunnylover: I asked you a question in the wedding QT that you maybe didn't see before the wedding ended. You said you'd had a scum read on Raivann from day 1. If that were the case, why did you avoid voting him yesterday?

Anyways, trial by combat. Here's how we throw down. We're going to pick two people -- the scummiest person, and the second-scummiest person. In this scenario, I will use Setael as the scummiest person and Andrius as the second-scummiest person, because I can.

What's your read on Andrius? What's your read on me? Did you pick us as your scums for this example "because you can" or because you have scum reads on us both? Seems you were at least serious about thinking Andrius is scum since you voted him. Are we to assume that I am now your #1 scummiest read in the game? Last thing you said about me is that you had a nullread and were only voting me to avoid voting Raivann, so I find this odd.

Suggest someone better than Set and Thor.

Magua and BL

[Magua]

Andrius is 100% out of the equation

I'm past the point of caring about softclaims. What is the report that you received?

What's your read on Andrius? What's your read on me? Did you pick us as your scums for this example "because you can" or because you have scum reads on us both? Seems you were at least serious about thinking Andrius is scum since you voted him. Are we to assume that I am now your #1 scummiest read in the game? Last thing you said about me is that you had a nullread and were only voting me to avoid voting Raivann, so I find this odd.

Probable scum. Probable scum. Scum reads on you both. Yes. No, I did not say that, I said that Raivann said that.

And before you ask, and because you obviously couldn't be arsed to look it up, beginning of D3.

Bunnylover is a terrible choice, as she is not Stark. posofctown has this hypocop thing clearing him, so waiting on that. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Andrius is in the same state. That's rather few people left to be the scum: Setael, DGB, Thor, Twilight Sparkle, danakillsu, Benmage is about it.

[popsofctown]

I'm rather confused.

1. We're pretty sure we don't have a doc, because Kast died.
2. zdenek got roleblocked
3. A kill was missing last night.
4. Kast's death means that zdenek is confirmed modified bulletproof. He cannot be a vigilante because that's a role. He can be a godfather variant because factional nightkill is not a role.
5. Lynching zden and freeing up the roleblock is bad because.....?????????????????????????????????

This isn't SK hunting. This is saying that a lynch with a 20% chance of hitting scum and 80% chance of hitting a neutral is far better than a lynch with a 35% chance of hitting scum and 60% chance of hitting town.

[popsofctown]

tbclear, only not voting him because i'm still sorting out champion implications, not because im a waffler

[popsofctown]

Yeah, rereading Magua it does look like he's properly broken the set up. I was never saying my plan was the optimal strategy, I was just saying we can at the least lynch normally because some people seemed to think we had less than a normal lynch.

A really townie person or at least someone we want lots of info on should start the wagon that causes the lynch, and that's probably not me (tbd rolestuffs etc), so I'll just

FoS: zdenek

[Setael]

No, I did not say that, I said that Raivann said that.

Here's where you said it (on March 21, several days after the post you linked to).

I'd love to hear what so fully converted you to my lynch. I find this really suspect since no one has given anything but crap arguments.

Shifting attention to me just seems like a distraction from Raivann. Of those who are listing me as scum with weak/contrived reasons {Raivann, dana, Andrius, zedenek, DGB, magua} at least one is scum (I'm looking at Raivann) and one is probably SK (hi, Zed!).

Nothing has "converted" me to your lynch. I have an anti-Stark read on Raivann, and a nullread on you. If the choice is between lynching Raivann and you, I will lynch you.

[Andrius]

ANDRIUS IS UNTOUCHABLE. Magua. Trust me on this my friend.

WAIT.
Who was in your Wedding QT?

[Andrius]

Because we have ALOT of potential, especially based on the fact you all claimed. /iso hunt

[Andrius]

FFF I don't want to bother translating the morse code stuff, so if anyone who was in the Wedding QT with Benmage can claim that would be GREAT.

[Thor665]

Also, I might have killed Kast

You realize that there is no pro-town explanation for your targeting of Kast.

We need to lynch Zdenek and Thor.

He killed Kast.

Also, I might have killed Kast

Oh dear gawd, y'know if you read another few words you'll notice a touch of SARCASM in that answer. Both of you are either scummier or...well...silly looking for even requoting that and acting like it means anything. Yes, oh mighty scumhunters, Thor claimed the scum kill in thread - obviously.

5. Lynching zden and freeing up the roleblock is bad because.....?????????????????????????????????

In short - continues to verify roleblocker and, if scum, forces scum to deal more with their pro-town angle here.
Double verifies Zdenek as SK because if the SK is willing to wait two nights to not kill someone - lol.

Yeah, rereading Magua it does look like he's properly broken the set up.

...thanks for noticing how I said the same thing...earlier. But, yes, Magua's plan is good. Though probably there should be some talk prior to "hammer" about who is actually the #1 scumspect (or even just 1-2 acceptable scum choices. Since all of the champion stuff is done via PM.

[Thor665]

@Andrius - Ben, TS, Kast, Shadow.

[Andrius]

O_o Not quite what I was expecting. lol

[Thor665]

ANDRIUS IS UNTOUCHABLE. Magua. Trust me on this my friend.

Is this a verified town result?

Yes/no?

Because if it's just your "I'm Benmage, I'll Govern him" then Pffft.

[popsofctown]

Wasn't gonna support Magua's plan until I understood it.

The heck does "continuing to verify the roleblocker" mean? Please explain how that tells us what Nexus's alignment is.

[Benmage]

Suggest someone better than Set and Thor.

Magua and BL

Try again.

Andrius is 100% out of the equation

I'm past the point of caring about softclaims. What is the report that you received?

Is it massclaim time? If not, stop being antitown.

That's rather few people left to be the scum: Setael, DGB, Thor, Twilight Sparkle, danakillsu, Benmage is about it.

Actually Dana is very likely town due to Kasts results. And I can mod confirm myself...Sooo yeah...lol

WHY NOT SET/Thor?? Clearly our best two...PoE.

Wasn't gonna support Magua's plan until I understood it.

The heck does "continuing to verify the roleblocker" mean? Please explain how that tells us what Nexus's alignment is.

-A killing entity could've chosen not to kill to frame Zdenek.
--There could've been overkill
---We RB'd the SK...lets double confirm this by RB him again, harming?? Noone.

[Benmage]

BTW.....is it massclaim time?

I'd be ok with it.

[Locke Lamora]

Sounds like half the players have claimed to their QTs anyway.

Has anyone actually explained this hypocop thing properly? I feel like I should know why we're completely excluding some players before we decide who the scummiest/second scummiest are.

[DrippingGoofball]

That's rather few people left to be the scum: Setael, DGB, Thor, Twilight Sparkle, danakillsu, Benmage is about it.

Except Benmage is town. And I am too.

[DrippingGoofball]

5. Lynching zden and freeing up the roleblock is bad because.....?????????????????????????????????

EXACTLY.

Zdenek has to die.

[DrippingGoofball]

Yes, oh mighty scumhunters, Thor claimed the scum kill in thread - obviously.

No I'm claiming you did the scum kill.

[LimMePls]

Magua's 2162 is the most optimal plan I can think of.

I'm rather confused.

1. We're pretty sure we don't have a doc, because Kast died.
2. zdenek got roleblocked
3. A kill was missing last night.
4. Kast's death means that zdenek is confirmed modified bulletproof. He cannot be a vigilante because that's a role. He can be a godfather variant because factional nightkill is not a role.
5. Lynching zden and freeing up the roleblock is bad because.....?????????????????????????????????

This isn't SK hunting. This is saying that a lynch with a 20% chance of hitting scum and 80% chance of hitting a neutral is far better than a lynch with a 35% chance of hitting scum and 60% chance of hitting town.

I have to agree. Missing kill plus RB on Zdenek + obv no doc = Zdenek-scum.

I'm fine with massclaim.

[Zdenek]

Based on DGB's post, I'm going to assume that we are considering Thor to be the scummiest, and assuming that we are going with Magua's plan to deal with the competition, I won't be voting him under the assumption that he'll be chosen as one of the champions.

Actually Dana is very likely town due to Kasts results.

You're assuming no vanilla scum?

I'm operating under the assumption that the real SK decided to no kill last night, and would like to have another chance to be role-blocked.

Vote Setael

[Shadow1psc]

Most people seem to understand the mechanic but there's been a few "almost there"s that I'd like to avoid. So here is a definitive example based on the books.

Lady Lysa accuses Tyrion of murder (and thus is the first vote on the wagon). The wagon is successful and would otherwise "lynch" Tyrion. However, Tyrion calls for trial by combat. He nominates Bronn to champion him. Lady Lysa nominates Ser Vardis Egen to be her champion.

Ser Vardis Egen and Bronn duel to the death (secret vote). If Bronn loses the duel and dies, Tyrion is found guilty and is executed.
If Ser Vardis Egen loses the duel and dies, Tyrion is found innocent and is released.
Lady Lysa is not on trial and thus is in no risk of death. Although she is at high risk of being a stupid crazy bitch who deserves to die.

Ok, so given this clarification, first on the wagon simply gets to choose who duels scum's champion. Scum is obviously going to pick a townie, or someone who looks town, whereas first on wagon gets to pick Towns. Obviously, we have an awesome opportunity in taking two scumspects, lynching either, and nominating the other as a champion. Because of WIFOM, we can't be certain who scum would pick to champion them, so killing a random town to get to a lynch like that may not be the best course of action currently. Obviously, it seems that we need to have Benmage choose a champion who town (the majority player) can easily vote dead. This gives the other scum a day, but whatever there.

Still catching up past this post.

[Andrius]

I don't see the need to massclaim right now. I'm not OPPOSED, but I don't see the need, other than making it apparantly obvious who the bros are and who are the outsiders.

I'm going to assume that we are considering Thor to be the scummiest,