A Storm of Swords - Lay your swords down!

[popsofctown]

Based on DGB's post, I'm going to assume that we are considering Thor to be the scummiest, and assuming that we are going with Magua's plan to deal with the competition, I won't be voting him under the assumption that he'll be chosen as one of the champions.

Actually Dana is very likely town due to Kasts results.

You're assuming no vanilla scum?

I'm operating under the assumption that the real SK decided to no kill last night, and would like to have another chance to be role-blocked.

Vote Setael

The REAL sk is supposed to beat down the PR stuffed mafia AND kill bulletproof "townie" zdenek in 2 man endgame.

HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL

How does no killing as scum when you're down 234234 member make ANY SENSE AT ALL.

this.

this is ridiculous.


This needs to end now.

[Shadow1psc]

Caught up. I think Thor is a great option here. Not entirely convinced on Setael either after the wedding shenanigans, but that seems to implicate Thor more at this point. DGB/Pops/Thor, can anyone comment on Bunnylover's presence during the Wedding?

[popsofctown]

I don't see the advantage granted us by massclaim. Tomorrow seems a more optimal day, we have pretty clear direction right now and I don't see any painted targets that the scum are already after on the anyhow.

[popsofctown]

Bunnylover's presence was... not. Didn't really say much iirc

[Zdenek]

[quote="Pops']
The REAL sk is supposed to beat down the PR stuffed mafia AND kill bulletproof "townie" zdenek in 2 man endgame.

HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL

How does no killing as scum when you're down 234234 member make ANY SENSE AT ALL.
[/quote]
Perhaps it's not an SK, but another scum team that we haven't had any flips from yet, or perhaps there are other roles that successfully stopped the other kill, but whatever it is, since we have a role-blocker, there is no reason not to give this one more night.

[DrippingGoofball]

Yeah. We can't let a SK saunter in the public places with a vote, all day long, and rely on a RB that could otherwise net us some mafia.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB/Pops/Thor, can anyone comment on Bunnylover's presence during the Wedding?

Worrisomely unremarkable.

[Benmage]

There's plenty of reasoning to support scum or sk setting up an unnightkillable townie for a mislynch ....having another night to RB and make sure we see only 1 kill is 10X more logical. That drastically reduces the chance for overkill and makes a non town entity now not shoot for 2 nights to setup the mislynch which is much worse for them then simply one night.

AND ZDENEK CANT BE SCUM. I seriously question people's intelligence when I see comments suggesting otherwise.....he was told in thread he was being roleblocked....no scum team would have him submit the kill....could he be sk? Sure.

[Benmage]

Yeah. We can't let a SK saunter in the public places with a vote, all day long, and rely on a RB that could otherwise net us some mafia.

For atleast today while everything is mapped out we absolutely can. Our claimed BP townie needs to play nice to ptw.

[Eddard Stark]

DAY 4 VOTECOUNT 1. ENJOY.

Setael (2) Benmage, Zdenek
Hasdgfas (1) Andrius
Andrius (1) Magua

Not voting (12) Shadow1psc, Twilight Sparkle, Setael, DrippingGoofball, Popsofctown, Hasdgfas, Danakillsu, Thor665, Locke Lamora, Nexus, LynchMePls, Bunnylover

*With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
*Deadline is here

[Thor665]

ANDRIUS IS UNTOUCHABLE. Magua. Trust me on this my friend.

Is this a verified town result?

Yes/no?

Because if it's just your "I'm Benmage, I'll Govern him" then Pffft.

^^^this.

Also, Ben, if you can mod confirm yourself...um...do it?

Yes, oh mighty scumhunters, Thor claimed the scum kill in thread - obviously.

No I'm claiming you did the scum kill.

Then either you're wrong in your presumption or are lying, take your pick. And also - the point of quoting me was...? And as you answer that, ask why Ben quoted it - you at least I see it within meta to randomly glom onto whatever. Ben backing the play though, and doing the exact same trimming of the quote as you did? What's your take on that?

Has anyone actually explained this hypocop thing properly? I feel like I should know why we're completely excluding some players before we decide who the scummiest/second scummiest are.

The hypocop is a 'hypothetical cop' no less and certainly no more. Hence my desire for her death along with someone she hasn't hypo copped.

[Thor665]

Caught up. I think Thor is a great option here. Not entirely convinced on Setael either after the wedding shenanigans, but that seems to implicate Thor more at this point.

How does it make me "more implicated"?
Also, as long as you're debating the Thor/Setael ask someone at our table to comment on me calling him on how

he

was actually the one doing misrepping because he decided to make a leap of faith conclusion about something I said and admitted as much (and even tried to get the rest of our table to then comment on it as to whether or not they thought his leap was justified or not and was met with kind of befuddled silence as no one did, but...)

DGB/Pops/Thor, can anyone comment on Bunnylover's presence during the Wedding?

Same ol' same ol' in my opinion. She tried a bit and nothing too controversial passed her lips - still think she's town.

[Thor665]

Fixed quote fail;

Caught up. I think Thor is a great option here. Not entirely convinced on Setael either after the wedding shenanigans, but that seems to implicate Thor more at this point.

How does it make me "more implicated"?
Also, as long as you're debating the Thor/Setael ask someone at our table to comment on me calling him on how

he

was actually the one doing misrepping because he decided to make a leap of faith conclusion about something I said and admitted as much (and even tried to get the rest of our table to then comment on it as to whether or not they thought his leap was justified or not and was met with kind of befuddled silence as no one did, but...)

DGB/Pops/Thor, can anyone comment on Bunnylover's presence during the Wedding?

Same ol' same ol' in my opinion. She tried a bit and nothing too controversial passed her lips - still think she's town.

[Twilight Sparkle]

Haven't got a chance to talk with the other ponies yet (my bad, mostly - had car trouble getting down to Nebraska.)

I think massclaim is a fantastic idea. We can figure out what to do with zdenek post-massclaim.

-hito

[Benmage]

DGB is saying she was told by the mod N1 that greyice is town.

Last night, N3 I received information from the mod. I have not revealed it. I can say my information differentiates in form to that of DGBs so just because you trust me, don't auto trust dgb.

That said did any of us have a scum read on greyice?? On that premise alone we are putting pops on the backburner.

And I have said Andy is town. Nuff said for today.

[hasdgfas]

Perhaps it's not an SK, but another scum team that we haven't had any flips from yet, or perhaps there are other roles that successfully stopped the other kill, but whatever it is, since we have a role-blocker, there is no reason not to give this one more night.

vote: Zdenek

[Shadow1psc]

I had a scum read on greyice, and DTM wasn't the shining example of town either.

@ Thor: Here's the problem I had during the wedding: There was clear misrepping going on somewhere. You guys are now going to argue in thread about who said what, and why you sent your morse code messages the way you did. I'm more inclined to raise an eyebrow at Thor for his voting and having no real reason for it, as well as misrepping Benmage's stance on the Raivann wagon. If I had to guess, I'd say scum were probably more inclined to stay quiet during their QTs except someone who needed to translate things in the main thread, and maybe push some agendas. I'm a bit surprised Dana was quiet, and I was wondering if Hascow's restriction carried into the QT (I imagine it did), but I set up all the tables in such a way that there should have been town in each, and I was looking for the first sign of tomfoolery with the morse code thing, and possible misrepping.

Meaning, I expected scum to take the translating reigns for the table, maybe in hopes that said person could get away with saying things unchecked by their table. Turns out, Seteal was reading and responding too eh?

[Bunnylover]

@Setael: I saw the question, but by then it was locked. I have no idea why I wasn't on Raivann lynch. Before we went to the wedding I waned Zdenek lynch, after seeing it wasn't going to go through, I'm not sure why I didn't switch to Raivann.
Mass claim is ok.

[Andrius]

NO. Don't self-confirm yet, Benmage. Wait awhile, and let all the uber-townies come out of the woodwork and literally drown the scum under the weight of our fists.

Yeah, mmhmm. popsofctown brings up another good point. The SK and Zdenek are permanent enemies, OH WAIT. THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME. HRMMM

I still read Bunnylover as town. He's not a bro, but he's not scum. Besides, we have plenty of other scumoptions.

And yeah. Now that Court is over, its really sad we don't have a QT anymore. lol I miss having the QT to fall back on for reads and stuff. GODDAMN LANNISTER NEIGHBORISER OVER HERE PLZ.

THIS IS ME CALLING FOR AN END TO THE "HYPOTHETICAL COP" DISCUSSION. When you need to know you'll find out for sure, but sitting here questioning its legitimacy gets us NOWHERE.

Okay, hito's "massclaim is fantastic" makes me want a massclaim less. I'll claim if it means we DON'T massclaim. This is bollocks. We're not massclaiming just for teh lulz.

THANK YOU SCUMCOW, FOR YOUR STUNNING CONTRIBUTION TO THE GAME.

[Setael]

Same ol' same ol' in my opinion. She tried a bit and nothing too controversial passed her lips - still think she's town.

What do you mean by "she tried a bit"?

The only time BL posted during the wedding before being called out for lurking was to say she thinks Benmage should use his power. This had nothing to do with the conversation at the time. The next time she posted was after I asked her why she was MIA and all she gave for a reason was that she's lurking in all her games except one. She then said she had a null read on me so would probably end up voting Raivann. DGB called her on this and she said she wasn't planning to vote Raivann because of her null read on me (like Magua did and then denied doing) but rather, she'd had a scum read on Raivann from D1. I asked her why she had avoided the wagon all day if she had a scum read on him and she didn't respond before the thread was locked.

Also, as long as you're debating the Thor/Setael ask someone at our table to comment on me calling [her] on how

she

was actually the one doing misrepping because

he decided to make a leap of faith conclusion about something I said and admitted as much (and even tried to get the rest of our table to then comment on it as to whether or not they thought [her] leap was justified or not and was met with kind of befuddled silence as no one did, but...)

This is the scummiest post you've made to date. You wrote something incorrectly which caused a miscommunication. Rather than recognizing it as a miscommunication, you insist on trying to cast suspicion on me for it. I read it the way you wrote it. Likely others at our table also read it the way you wrote it. There was no "befuddled silence" and you have no reason to assume that "no one did" interpret it the way I did just because they didn't answer the question.

@ Thor: Here's the problem I had during the wedding: There was clear misrepping going on somewhere. You guys are now going to argue in thread about who said what, and why you sent your morse code messages the way you did. I'm more inclined to raise an eyebrow at Thor for his voting and having no real reason for it, as well as misrepping Benmage's stance on the Raivann wagon. If I had to guess, I'd say scum were probably more inclined to stay quiet during their QTs except someone who needed to translate things in the main thread, and maybe push some agendas. I'm a bit surprised Dana was quiet, and I was wondering if Hascow's restriction carried into the QT (I imagine it did), but I set up all the tables in such a way that there should have been town in each, and I was looking for the first sign of tomfoolery with the morse code thing, and possible misrepping.

Meaning, I expected scum to take the translating reigns for the table, maybe in hopes that said person could get away with saying things unchecked by their table. Turns out, Seteal was reading and responding too eh?

Both his post and mine were caused by a misunderstanding that wasn't cleared up until after both of us posted. What I find especially scummy is that now that the misunderstanding was cleared up in QT, he still is trying to cast suspicion on me for it.

@Setael: I saw the question, but by then it was locked. I have no idea why I wasn't on Raivann lynch. Before we went to the wedding I waned Zdenek lynch, after seeing it wasn't going to go through, I'm not sure why I didn't switch to Raivann.
Mass claim is ok.

Who are your scum suspects now?

[DrippingGoofball]

Yes, oh mighty scumhunters, Thor claimed the scum kill in thread - obviously.

No I'm claiming you did the scum kill.

Then either you're wrong in your presumption or are lying, take your pick. And also - the point of quoting me was...? And as you answer that, ask why Ben quoted it - you at least I see it within meta to randomly glom onto whatever. Ben backing the play though, and doing the exact same trimming of the quote as you did? What's your take on that?

K, I was faking, you didn't send the scum kill.

I don't understand the rest of your question.

[DrippingGoofball]

THIS IS ME CALLING FOR AN END TO THE "HYPOTHETICAL COP" DISCUSSION.

Hypo cop is a cop whose results are sent to a third player. Not "hypothetical cop," silly you.

[Andrius]

Oh. Someone said "hypothetical cop" so. :/

[Magua]

ANDRIUS IS UNTOUCHABLE. Magua. Trust me on this my friend.

See how I have you in "the dwindling list of people who could be scum"? So, no, I'm not going to just take your word for it. Out the report you received.

Here's where you said it (on March 21, several days after the post you linked to).

Yes, you are my #1 scumread in the game, based on PoE. I had three scumreads starting D3: Nexus, Andrius, and you, in that order. I pushed Nexus, he claimed roleblocker, lynch fell apart.

So I move to Andrius. No love for that wagon, which is interesting, but then the wedding happened, and impossible to push. So that left you.

Opening behavior of today moves you ahead of Andrius in terms of scumreads, so there we are.

I'm a bit surprised Dana was quiet, and I was wondering if Hascow's restriction carried into the QT (I imagine it did), but I set up all the tables in such a way that there should have been town in each, and I was looking for the first sign of tomfoolery with the morse code thing, and possible misrepping.

Hascow's restriction did carry into the QT.

I want to know what Setael did in the wedding QT that was so townie.

[Bunnylover]

@Setael:
Right now, Zdenek and Dana.