Mini 1144 - AW: Mafia Strikes

[AurorusVox]

Vote: Accelerate Cooldown

I thought we had accelerated more, it turns out we're still a fair way off getting it (requires 2/3 majority).

o<|:-{D}>

[gandalf5166]

Because believing whatever gandalf is saying is wise mirite? He's pulled exactly this same bullshit, doing some half arsed claim claiming he has some ability which benefits town or something in Lost S2. And he was scum.
The blissful ignorance of people willing to believe him straight away is rather cute I must add.

It was fine letting gandalf hammer chesskid, because you know he is chesskid. We are yet to see any awesome benefits.
Willingness to gamble on something like this again is pretty naive i spose. Nor do I think bv is a suitable lynch candidate at this moment.

<(^.^)> (>^.^)> <(^.^<) ^(^.^)^

Only I am TELLING YOU that I have four votes. I'm not being vague like in S2. If I'm faking it, lynch me. Also, BV said LYNCH ME IF HE IS SCUM. NOT TOWN. SCUM. AS IN "LYNCH HIM AND THEN LYNCH ME IF IM RIGHT"

[implosion]

I agree with the case on bv (most of all Mask's catch, which on further inspection took place over the span of 21 minutes between bv's ISOs 9-10) but not voting him because he's apparently already hammered.

First of all, whether or not to accelerate. If we accelerate, obviously, the scum get a kill. If we don't, then the kill may or may not be charged by the time we get a lynch. So the best case scenario would be not accelerating, getting a lynch, and then accelerating while the scum NK is almost fully charged. But doing so risks the worst case scenario, which would be scum getting a NK before today's lynch and getting to start charging the next kill before we get the lynch off. So accelerating is the safest way to go, since we know the NK is already partially charged (don't know how much) and accelerating will make any charge already existing for naught.

VOTE: Accelerate cooldown

We definitely want the lynch already voted for when the accelerate is hammered.

On to relevant people:

gandalf's claim of having up to 6 votes troubles me. AV said it already, something like that existing is very bad if gandalf isn't town. It is also true that the mod probably wouldn't give something like this to scum. It's also true that we've yet to see any benefits. If there are no tangible benefits that we can see after the bv lynch, I'm going to get suspicious, but for now gandalf is probably town. He reads town anyway. It could also be a scum ability that gains from hammering, but I think it's more likely town.

I don't see the case on Enigma. I get what AV said about his unvoting, which makes sense. I disagree that he's done anything else particularly scummy. I'd say he's null.

I do see the case on TS. He's been at least somewhat active (more than me at least) but hasn't contributed anything and hasn't taken

any

solid stances.

VOTE: Twistedspoon

Mod, votecount?

[implosion]

Also,

V/LA from tomorrow (Monday) until Friday.

I'm going to be in California. I'm not sure if I'm going to have access at all (I PROBABLY will, but no guarantee) and even if I have access it's unlikely I'll be able to post frequently.

[bv310]

Well, was going to do an analysis, but there's really a distinct lack of reasoning. As far as I can tell now, the following people are voting me: Fate, The Mask, Enigma, AV, and Gand.

Of these, Enigma's is easily the worst. Look at his ISO. In it, he doesn't mention me at all until he votes for me. In fact, he is one of the leading proponents of the Chess wagon. Then he turns around and unvotes me a few posts later, admitting that he doesn't have enough reason to vote for me. Enigma, what changed between yesterday at 2:18am and today at 8:55am to make you not only want to unvote me, but also to unvote your cooldown?

vote: Enigma

Of the rest, Fate's been flip-flopping back and forth, AV is piggybacking off of other people's reasoning, and Mask has a valid point.

Gand is probably the second scummiest on the wagon. His hammer on Chess is terrible, and his insistence on being able to control enough votes to run the game is awful.
@Gand, would you be willing to nameclaim? Seeing as you've already said that you ability is name-supported, and I for one can't imagine any character who's a flavour supported Hated Townie with that kind of ability.

[Enigma]

Chesskid died encouraging me to actually want to read the thread and make up my own mind instead of following everyone else.

[bv310]

But you started the day off by voting for me (Following everyone else), rather than making up your own mind. What changed between the opening of the day (and your vote for me) and you suddenly changing your mind once it was clear that Gand had enough to hammer me?

[Enigma]

Your claim, and how people generally were reacting to it.

Then I read your iso in more detail did a bit of thinkies for myself and decided either you are terribly stupid or really smart for doing what you did if you were scum. I would probably put you in the middle of those two somewhere.

And like I said I read the thread kinda properly (I zoned out most chesskid and some fate posts still I must admit) with the intentions of mainly seeing why you are in the position you are now.

[gandalf5166]

I am Grimm. The flavor behind my role is that I put a lot of power into my strikes at the expense of my defense.

[bv310]

That fits, but why are you a Hated Townie? Grimm's not especially disliked.

[gandalf5166]

That fits, but why are you a Hated Townie? Grimm's not especially disliked.

Well, my role PM doesn't say Hated Townie, it's just that that's how I would state the effects without giving away who I was. I take fewer votes to lynch because that's the effect of me ignoring my defense.

[AlmasterGM]

[Day 2, Vote Count I - The Long March]

"Let us play a more dangerous game, shall we? I grow weary of this."

[Votes]

AurorusVox

- ()

bv310

- (The Mask, Fate, gandalf5166)

crazypianist1116

- ()

Enigma

- (SocioPath, AurorusVox, bv310)

Fate

- ()

gandalf5166

- ()

GhostWriter

- ()

implosion

- (Ghost Writer)

SocioPath

- ()

The Mask

- ()

Twistedspoon

- (implosion)

Not voting

- (gandalf5166, crazypianist1116, Enigma, Twistedspoon)

Accelerate lynch

- (Fate, AurorusVox, implosion)

[Activity]

Unless the cooldown is accelerated, a lynch cannot occur until Tuesday, 5 April 2011.
No prods currently needed.

[gandalf5166]

Enigma unvoted, mod.

[The Mask]

Vote: Accelerate Cooldown

From the wiki:
"Grimm, nicknamed "Lightning Grimm", is a Yellow Comet CO with a dynamic personality. He couldn't care less about the details, especially insignificant little things like defence. Consequently, his daredevil nature raises his attack power, but his "I-don't-give-a-darn-about-stupid-things-like-defence" attitude lowers his defence."

Gandalf is in the clear.

[Fate]

Ladies and work ftw and (lose)

Anyway bv continues to call obvtown scummy and grasps at straws (aka Mask and Gandalf now recently in his analysis)

This Grimm guy sounds like the perfect role for me to have gotten >_>
<_<

Implosion hurts my gut everytime he posts. I can see him trying to divert off of bv, while piggying onto the popular "accelerate" wagon... Makes no REAL sense: Why accelerate the lynch but not vote upon the agreed upon scumbag/claimed guy Bv? Smells like SCUMZORZ trying to get the scum NK but not bus their buddy.

[Twistedspoon]

your claim makes sense gandalf. I can see the logic in it

UNVOTE: gand

[AurorusVox]

Fate: atm, Gand doesn't want any more votes on bv, so he can use his POWARZ to good effect. If Gand is town, then scum will want to prevent that. So anyone that DOES vote for bv by this point is against that agenda.

[crazypianist1116]

Give me 4 hours to get on a computer.

[gandalf5166]

VOTE: Accelrate lynch

I don't remember unvoting this >.>

(Ugh, this is what I get for doing VCs when I'm so tired. Both errors are fixed. Let me know if there are more. --AGM)

Four more votes, guys. My voting powers don't apply to lynch acceleration >.>

[GhostWriter]

VOTE: Accelerate Lynch I guess.

[crazypianist1116]

Wow, GhostWriter, that was practically random. So you're voting to accelerate the lynch, which inevitably means you're voting for gandalf to lynch bv. I'm pretty convinced of the bv lynch myself, but your accelerating the lynch makes it look like you're trying to get bv lynched without actually looking like that. Also your implosion vote came out of nowhere.

FoS: GhostWriter

Hypothesis: Chesskid is scum with a town flip.

[Fate]

^oh fucking HELL chesskid was right.


God I'm not gonna live this one down am I..

[GhostWriter]

Scum has shown itself to be CP. Looks like Chess was right.

Reasoning: CP had a chance to criticize my Implosion vote. What did he do instead? He pretty much agreed with it, claiming to also be wary of Implosion. Clearly, that implies that you had, or were claiming to have, suspicion of Implosion. You also did not go into that any further than I did. In fact, you left yourself able to hop onto any reasoning I decided to give. Of which I gave none. It was a fucking reaction vote. Gandalf being as powerful as he claimed to be at the time meant I had leeway to use my vote for other reasons. Implosion seemed like he could warrant a vote just to get him to do something. Not giving a reason when you vote tends to piss off the person you're voting, getting a reaction faster.

CP criticizes my Accelerate. Not the first one he's criticized. And criticizes it based on assuming I don't understand what I'm doing. Right. I totally don't. That's why I gave us vital info on it earlier so we didn't do it premature, i.e. before we had a lynch possible. We now have a lynch possible, and on someone you find scummy. If you really had a problem with it, the town thing to do is let it go through, and then, tomorrow, on wagon analysis, bring that shit up.

We may need to turn this wagon around.

[AurorusVox]

Vote: CrazyPianist

Let's do it.

[SocioPath]

I AGREE WITH AGM'S OPINION ON CP AND THE CP LYNCH.

UNVOTE
VOTE: CRAZYPAINTEREST

But seriously, people need to read Enigma's responses to me.
CP+ENIGMA?
MORE LIKELY THAN YOU THINK.