Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Amrun]

Give a scumlist, Zyrconium.

[ToastyToast]

Just checking back in while i'm on.

A better question is what does scum gain if said secret is revealed?
ROLE INFORMATION.
What does town gain if that secret is revealed?
NOTHING.

^^This will be added to my case on zyrconium

Also, I would like to see a Zyrc scum list.

[crazypianist1116]

So NS, apart from the beginning of the day questioning vezok's "game-breaking" question, attacked only TS for the rest of D1. Today, little has been done in an attempt to defend himself.
Hazard has no scumhunting today. D1 hopped from the ts wagon, to mb53 after zyrc and amrun give cases on mb53, then back to ts.
Vezok has given very little evidence for Morthasscum.

Amrun is in the same scum team. Read yesterday. You'll see what I mean.

I don't think amrun has any connections to Morthas. They are distancing scums.

Doesn't count.

@Zyrc: At the bottom of page 27, Amrun was right. The quote you guys were looking for but didn't find was this:

Actually.

Zoo visitors: Claim who you targeted. If they got stuff the person is confirmed VT.

Which implies asking all zoo visitors to claim.

[Zyrconium]

Oh, has it not already been stated that vezok should be pretty much constantly ignored?

You people certainly seem good at ignoring people, so I'd assume you could pull that one off.

What do you mean?

I said "I would like to know, but I don't want scum to know." That means I don't actually want Hazard to come out with the information.

In hindsight, I can see how that's a little ambiguous, but I definitely said at one that he should reveal only at L-1.

I WOULD like to know who he targeted, but I don't want scum to know that that person has goodies, if scum does not already know.

mb, what role information? we MIGHT get told if the person has goodies, I don't think that's especially mindblowingly awesome for scum, but I could be wrong, so we could take very simple countermeasures to prevent EVEN THAT from being known, specifically, asking Hazard's victim, when discovered: "Do you BOTH have goodies and NOT have any indicator that those goodies were stolen? Answer with a single "Yes" or "No"."

Give a scumlist, Zyrconium.

Considering the last few posts involved so much of them, I'll point out that my top three just now, in order were(at the time of the first NS vote):

1)cpiano
2)Stels
3)NS

So the NS wagon was nice and I was tempted to hop on for wagoning's sake....

But then Stels decided to hop up past #1 to #-1.5 with his last post, hopping on a wagon he plainly doesn't get, for reasons that are absolutely bull(hint, EVERYONE IN THE GAME COULD TELL TS WAS A PR, or at least if they didn't know, the correct action was to wait a day...). Basically, Stels wanted to be on the wagon a whole lot so that tommorow he can point out his role in lynching scum(or NS MIGHT be town, and he's pushing the wagon, but the first one works better)

(Hazard's victim should point out that they're Hazard's victim btw)

For those of us who don't like to have to rearrange lists using what we have for heads, that's:

-1.5)Stels
2)cpiano
3)NS

There are more, but they aren't especially solid...

Now that I've restated that which was already obvious to anyone with a brain, can somebody else perhaps scumhunt?

(DISCLAIMER: Hostility in this post was directed at mb for his incredible bullshit in his last few posts, and Amrun and TT for completely ignoring my posts, if you're not part of this list... I probably hate you for lurking anyway

(rereads CP's post)

@CP: Wait, I made a case on mb?

[vezokpiraka]

Oh crap.

Amrun is the scum one.

The pianist is the scum.

I'lmm make a case when I have more spare time.

Also he chainsaw defended Morthas so hard in his last post.

[Amrun]

I was just curious to see if it changed, Zyrconium. Not sure why you felt the need to quote like 7 posts you make zero comment on.

And if you hadn't figured it out by now, questioning you and Hazard IS scumhunting.


Vezok ... I'd really like to see those cases. Plus a case on mothras. Something that has logic in it, please, and actually makes sense.

[Morthas]

Just checking back in while i'm on.

A better question is what does scum gain if said secret is revealed?
ROLE INFORMATION.
What does town gain if that secret is revealed?
NOTHING.

^^This will be added to my case on zyrconium
Also, I would like to see a Zyrc scum list.

Wrong. Both mb and TT
What does scum gain if said secret is revealed. Hardly anything useful to them since TS already claimed where he details his PM completely
What does town gain if ''said secret'' is revealed? The ''secret'' is WHO Hazard targeted during the night right? Well then, he tells us, and we ask the person who he claims he stole candy from and they tell us if they indeed lost their candy.

There are 2 possibilities: Hazard is town and Hazard is scum right?

Hazard as town: Tells us and we cross-check it with the person he claims
Hazard as scum: Says the name of a scumbuddy who may or may not want to protect Hazard
Responses and Actions with concequences:

1) Positively: If we lynch hazard and he is scum, that means he is his scumbuddy
2)Negatively: We 100% lynch Hazard and we get a free scum kill.

Ah, nearly forgot about TT, use your brain a lil, maybe then you'll look as if your scumhunting
Sorry for lurking, it's just that the amount of stupidity going on makes me hesitant to post

[Amrun]

But if Hazard is town, we confirm to scum a town member with candy. That is not good.


Starting to see Mothras' point, though.

[Hoppster]

What does scum gain if said secret is revealed. Hardly anything useful to them since TS already claimed where he details his PM completely
What does town gain if ''said secret'' is revealed? The ''secret'' is WHO Hazard targeted during the night right? Well then, he tells us, and we ask the person who he claims he stole candy from and they tell us if they indeed lost their candy.

There are 2 possibilities: Hazard is town and Hazard is scum right?

Hazard as town: Tells us and we cross-check it with the person he claims
Hazard as scum: Says the name of a scumbuddy who may or may not want to protect Hazard
Responses and Actions with concequences:

1) Positively: If we lynch hazard and he is scum, that means he is his scumbuddy
2)Negatively: We 100% lynch Hazard and we get a free scum kill.

Ah, nearly forgot about TT, use your brain a lil, maybe then you'll look as if your scumhunting
Sorry for lurking, it's just that the amount of stupidity going on makes me hesitant to post

Not quite.

This could confirm a person as a Candy Animal, and from Amrun's PM we know evil people (ie. scum) want goodies.

Even then, Hazard could have the same role as TS but still be scum, so then assuming anybody who confirms his target is scumbuddies with Hazard if he flips scum is also wrong.

[Amrun]

Yes, and there's another problem with that that I don't want to say (yes, this again...)


But it's not AS bad as I first thought.

Still not in favor it.

[Zyrconium]

But if Hazard is town, we confirm to scum a town member with candy.

No we don't.

This could confirm a person as a Candy Animal

No it couldn't.
I.... ragequit. until you all start listening to what I'm saying all I'm gonna do is requote the bits you're ignoring OK?

[Hazard with a Glove]

vote morthas

That's just stupid. First of all the only thing it might solve is knowing who a candy animal is, but that's if they are told when they loose candy. But, even if I wad Scum, it wouldn't prove that I am such.

[Hoppster]

This could confirm a person as a Candy Animal

No it couldn't.
I.... ragequit. until you all start listening to what I'm saying all I'm gonna do is requote the bits you're ignoring OK?

Feel free to. I have no idea what you're talking about.

If Hazard goes "I targeted X and stole Y," and X replies "Yes, Hazard did target me and he did steal Y," how does this have no possibility of confirming somebody as a Candy Animal? It may not to us, but if Hazard is town it will confirm a Candy Animal to scum (and should Hazard be lynched/NK'd then it will confirm it to us).

[mb53]

I think this role bickering is going no where fast. Heres an idea! How about you guys attack who you think is scum. Then, we can lynch scum! Nifty idea right?

Because seriously, this claiming stuff is not helping catch scum.

[Morthas]

IF SAID CANDY ANIMAL IS REVEALED, HE WILL NO LONGER HAVE ANY CANDY TO STEAL. AND IF YOU ARE THINKING OF TELLING ME ''OMG BUT THAT CONFIRMS HAZARD HAS CANDY!! "WHO GIVES A SHIT. HE ALREADY CLAIMED THAT HE IS A ZOO VISITOR AND IF THAT IS TRUE HE ALREADY CONFIRMED HIMSELF AS A CANDIDATE FOR HAVING CANDY
I really doubt there would something as retarded as having the exact same role but different allinment

This could confirm a person as a Candy Animal, and from Amrun's PM we know evil people (ie. scum) want goodies.

f Hazard goes "I targeted X and stole Y," and X replies "Yes, Hazard did target me and he did steal Y," how does this have no possibility of confirming somebody as a Candy Animal? It may not to us, but if Hazard is town it will confirm a Candy Animal to scum

(Number of scum < Number of Town) = worth the risk
Drop the Evil people shit since we already confirmed that town alignment wants goodies just as much.
Ah, did anyone notice that atleast half the players already made statements where you can understand their role? I did.

That's just stupid. First of all the only thing it might solve is knowing who a candy animal is, but that's if they are told when they loose candy. But, even if I wad Scum, it wouldn't prove that I am such.

First of all the only thing it might solve is knowing who a candy animal is

No........?

but that's if they are told when they loose candy

According to that logic, candy animals would not have been told of what candy they have gotten in the first place, that would be completely retarded anyway

But, even if I wad Scum, it wouldn't prove that I am such.

I have no fucking idea what you are onto here. It would prove you're scum if the person whose name you say does not confirm that he lost his candy

(and should Hazard be lynched/NK'd then it will confirm it to us).

He will not get NK'd now that he is the new center of attention if he is indeed town.

And if anyone's wondering. YES IM RAGING

[Morthas]

Ah, and if you would like to tell me that my logic is bad,
Make a bullet points with exact reasons

[vezokpiraka]

Morthas actually is right.

Shit my reads are screwy this game.

[Hazard with a Glove]

[quote]According to that logic, candy animals would not have been told of what candy they have gotten in the first place, that would be completely retarded anyway[quote]

What?

I am not told what candy I get, and I'm not even sure if I'm told if I got candy or not. The candy animal might be told either.

[Morthas]

Well then Hazard, presuming you are a visitor and you targeted someone, what is the ''response'' PM that you got from the mod? and don't forget to tell us WHO you targeted

[ToastyToast]

Ah, nearly forgot about TT, use your brain a lil, maybe then you'll look as if your scumhunting
Sorry for lurking, it's just that the amount of stupidity going on makes me hesitant to post

You aren't scum-hunting. You're just trying to get role information

[Morthas]

What? Really? So trying to lynch a person who i think is scum and constantly trying to push a lynch for him counts as ''trying to get role information'' ?
gtfo, make a better case on me
Besides where did i say ''IM HANTIN SCUM"?

[Amrun]

Who do you think is scum, morthas?

And I can tell you all it's highly unlikely one"visit" would do the trick, so revealed candy holders are still vulnerable.

[Nobody Special]

I think we are all looking far to into roles. How about you scum-hunt instead?

I think this role bickering is going no where fast. Heres an idea! How about you guys attack who you think is scum. Then, we can lynch scum! Nifty idea right?

Because seriously, this claiming stuff is not helping catch scum.

While I usually am all against setup speculation, in this

particular

instance it could be quite useful.

And I am scumhunting: I found you.

Vote: mb53

[Amrun]

Case please?

[Charlie]

Bump for vote count.