Newbie 1067 - Game over - Town Win!

[PeRrY-_-]

sorry guys, same reason as mist for my absence

to uncle pains question, only people i had any remote scummy reads were les and nacho, and that still wasnt a ton, kcda is sitting 50/50 with me right now though

and to get this out of the way now, im going to be on v/la april 6th through 9th, ill try to find a computer but idk, but until then, ill try to do more

[GMan]

Kcda - I'm still not liking the way that fits in the timeline. That post was made way back in day one and I'm questioning the relevance it has to your day two reads. Specifically how you say you're leaning scum on Les again, but soon after when he gets replaced, it's back to town with nothing seemingly in between that changed your mind (or at least you noted as such).

The way you keep referring back to the same "town overall" read of Les after noting actions that seem scummy to you, makes it look like your planning on excusing his scummy posts when it suits you, but having the ability to bring them back up again at later point in case you want to build a wagon.

Perry - elaborate on you kcda read please?

[GMan]

More intriguing about inspira's #155 is his "I have however already decided to try and get you policy lynched if we ever play again together if you flip town" comment.

Clearly, you're ok with a policy lynch as a town move. I'm curious; when kcda was pushing for Hazard's lynch based on his desire to policy lynch Les why was there never a mention that this wasn't necessarily scummy?

[jasonT1981]

Day 2 vote count 5

Kdcaspot 2 - Uncle Pain, GMan
Dysorder 1- Kdcaspot
GMan 1 - inspiratieloos

Not voting

Mist
Dysorder
PeRrY

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

with a deadline of April 12th at 3.15pm EST

[Mist7676]

Back on my regualar computer. I see that not much went on : (.

@Mod What day of April?

Mod note - fixed.. Deadline 12th April

[Mist7676]

GMan - Who do you think is the scum team?
UnclePain - If you were alive day 1 would you jump on the BW for Hazard?
Kcd - did you think les was town 1 post than insta scum the next but still defending him a little?
Dysorder - who is the main scum currently in your eyes?
Perry - Why did you join the Hazard BW?

Just to get motion.

[jasonT1981]

PeRrY has asked to be replaced.. will start a replacement search

[Mist7676]

I hate when people replace out D:

[jasonT1981]

Stefunny replaces PeRrY, thank you

[Stefunny]

Hello all! Catching up right now. Good to see a few familiar faces. (ICUKC!)
I will post content as soon as I am done reading.

[Mist7676]

*bows to the Queen of the Unicorn Bretheren*

[Stefunny]

FIRST of all:

@Mod:

Easy read? *Shakes fist* =P

SECONDLY:
I apologize for forthcoming wall post.

I think I am pretty much caught up. I may do additional ISO's later on, but I feel like reading the whole thread in context has given me more perspective than ISOing would do.

Dysorder I read as town. I wish there were MORE posts, but the posts that are there are aimed at scum hunting and seem to question players motives. I like his contribution so far.

Mist, I don't know you that well, I hate the label VI, because I'm not all that good at the game (and have been called VI, grr) and I think there is a difference between VI and Anti-town players. I don't think you are scum at this point, I just don't think you put quite as much effort into your posts as some of the nazis in this game do. I don't read scum, I read a player who came from EM and is used to the faster play, I've seen this in almost every newbie game because there is almost always someone from EM or another similar site. The only question I have is about your 50/50 reads or whatever they may be, can you please explain that system again? I know I read it somewhere but I have a hard time following it.

Gmans slot I feel is town. Les was hard to read but persistent and I don't think he was scum. I don't think Gman has done anything to make me feel otherwise. I like his questioning of Inspira.

Inspira, I just get this big giant null feeling from you. It's like a void. A HUGE VOID. I can't decide how I feel about you. Your interaction with les was weird. You were going to ignore him and then you want to Policy lynch him and then you WANT to be the hammer, but not the vote that gets him to L-1, and THEN he's NOT scum because KC and Nacho were defending him? And then he was scum again. Help me out dude. I'm confused.

Up until Nacho was replaced I felt pretty strongly that he may have been scum. He puts "pressure votes" on a few players D1 and backs off seemingly at the last minute. I understand the point of a pressure vote, but they no longer apply pressure if you making it known that's why you are doing it. I don't read Uncle Pain as scummy, but I don't like that he points out Nacho only changing his vote once in Post# 439. After RVS he voted HWaG, Les, Perry, and KC. Which is more than one vote change. I spotted a few contradictions that were trivial, but enough that they gave me a gut read against him. And NOW Uncle Pain is saying he's not against a No Lynch? I'm not sure a No Lynch D2 when we are already down 2 townies is the way we need to go. We need to find scum and lynch them, not resign ourselves to a no lynch. Then, it's a complete WIFOM argument, but the IC being alive D2 is always a bit fishy. Not saying it's a sure scum tell, but it's something I take into consideration.

I don't like this slot, but I feel there are bigger fish to fry.

Speaking of fish to fry...
HI KC! I had fun in our first newbie game, but I think we might have a little role reversal going on this time.
The whole Zachrulez dying thing is a giant cup of WIFOM. I have chosen to ignore it as it can be argued both ways until the end of time and is therefore useless. HOWEVER the wagon against HWaG baffles me. I had to look at all the people on the wagon because other than his not defending himself I don't really feel like it justified the wagon it got. I don't like post# 339. KC says he SHOULD start the day off with a Les vote but instead that he will vote Mist. KC, Can you please explain the reasoning?
I also think it's funny how cautiously KC played up until he got the ball rolling on HWaG. Twice there were wagons that you stated you agreed with but you weren't willing to put them at L-1. I felt both of those wagons had better reasoning than the HWaG wagon tbh.

Also question for everyone:
Where did all the cop/doc talk come from? Just Les? Does nobody find it odd that there are a few people who seem sure they both exist?

tl;dr
VOTE: Kcdaspot
Yup, L-1. I think this game has dragged on so I'd like to inject a little motivation.

[Mist7676]

Good reads. I'm still thinking about hammering KCD. But we do have a mislynch! I hope this ends well!

Before I hammer I just want to say I'm a bit edgy on the whole WIFOM thing about zach dying and HwaG being town. Than protecting Les than going against him.

KCD I will hammer in 24 hours. You have that much time to plead your case.

[Stefunny]

Mist can you please answer the question I asked in my read on you?

[Mist7676]

The 50/50 system or 10/90 system?

[Stefunny]

Mist, please don't hammer until Kc responds.
@Mod: Can you please prod kc?
(hopefully i didn't miss a V/La somewhere?)

[jasonT1981]

Prods have been sent out to KDCA, Dysorder & inspiratieloos

EBYOP: Just had sent them out as you posted, Stefunny.

[jasonT1981]

Day 2 vote count 6

Kdcaspot 2 - Uncle Pain, GMan, Stefunny

(Lynch -1)

Dysorder 1- Kdcaspot
GMan 1 - inspiratieloos

Not voting

Mist
Dysorder


With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

with a deadline of April 12th at 3.15pm EST

[inspiratieloos]

Welcome Stefunny.

More intriguing about inspira's #155 is his "I have however already decided to try and get you policy lynched if we ever play again together if you flip town" comment.

Clearly, you're ok with a policy lynch as a town move. I'm curious; when kcda was pushing for Hazard's lynch based on his desire to policy lynch Les why was there never a mention that this wasn't necessarily scummy?

People that are

that

wilfully ignorant don't belong in this game imo. I could accept it if he was scum trying to have everyone get a VI-town read on him by acting like an idiot, in which case he would still have to be lynched this game. Also I got very frustrated at that point and said multiple stupid things (I

hate

wilful ignorance). Dysorder and I are noobs, Perry was an absolute noob, Hazard and Mist have bouts of noobishness, but Les was in a category all of his own.

Inspira, I just get this big giant null feeling from you. It's like a void. A HUGE VOID. I can't decide how I feel about you. Your interaction with les was weird. You were going to ignore him and then you want to Policy lynch him and then you WANT to be the hammer, but not the vote that gets him to L-1, and THEN he's NOT scum because KC and Nacho were defending him? And then he was scum again. Help me out dude. I'm confused.

The policy lynch comment was for if I ever saw him again on the off chance that he is/was town in this game. I should have just put him at L-1 at that point, no fuss (see above). I never was convinced that he was town, but both kcda and Nacho specifically said they thought he wasn't scum, at that point I had both of them as town reads and both are much more experienced players and if three people say something at least one of them has to be genuine. This was enough to give him the benefit of the doubt for then. The Hazard hammer got him right back to total scum.

On a more positive note: Now the both Les and Perry are gone we'll only have to deal with 'normal' scummy play
On a slightly less positive note: Now I don't have the excuse that whatever I do Les and Perry are worse...

[Mist7676]

I wasn't going to hammer KCD till he posted. I was hoping he would have posted withen the 24 hours but I guess I will have to extend this.

[Uncle Pain]

Sorry for my recent lack of posts, I’m about to write my current thoughts (especially to Stefunny) very soon.
Mist7676, please don’t hammer him yet! Kcdaspot hasn’t even responded to the L-1 to defend himself. I want to hear him out before he is lynched.

[Mist7676]

I wasn't going to hammer KCD till he posted. I was hoping he would have posted withen the 24 hours but I guess I will have to extend this.

[Stefunny]

The 50/50 system or 10/90 system?

Sorry, I missed this. Can you explain the whole number system? Is 50/50 good or bad? 10/90? WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

[Mist7676]

50/50 is null.
10/90 is town but slight possibility of being mafia

[Stefunny]

So on the flip 90/10 would be you are really really convinced they are maf?