Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Amrun]

That fits NS' meta that I have seen. Doesn't mean he's not scum, but the argument on him is weak -- very weak.

[Hazard with a Glove]

accept, acquire, admit, apprehend, appropriate, arrogate, assume, be given, be in receipt of, be informed, be told, catch, collect, come by, come into, cop, corral*, derive, draw, earn, gain, gather, get, get from, get hands on, get hold of, grab, hear, hold, inherit, latch on to, make, obtain, perceive, pick up, pocket, procure, pull, pull down, reap, redeem, secure, seize, snag*, take, take in, take possession, win

I figure it could either mean I got Candy or something along the lines of understood.

[Amrun]

Are you sure that wasn't just a confirmation of action received...?

[Hazard with a Glove]

Yes, that's what it was, I thought that was what you asked for?

[Amrun]

We asked for the RESULT of your action.

[Hazard with a Glove]

Ah.
I don't want to reveal it at this time.

[Amrun]

Not the full result... just what your results ARE. As in, we don't want to know who you stole from or what you stole, but how the results work, ie what you get as results etc.


Why would you think we wanted your "received" PM?

[Kalofer]

LEAVE HAZARD ALONE YOU MEANIES!

[Amrun]

What is wrong with you, Kalofer?

[crazypianist1116]

Blah, I'm toying the line with getting a prod. I'll post more tomorrow.

@vezok: Your reads?

What's going on with Kalofer?

[ToastyToast]

We asked for the RESULT of your action.

No, we didn't

[Morthas]

I think Kalofer was bitten by something or someone on the hike he went on recently ;\

[Kalofer]

You guys are SERIOUSLY not using your imagination as the MOD suggested.

Morthas, the only thing we are going to find through what you're saying is whether hazard is scum or not, as if we wouldn't find that out if we lynch him anyway. Furthermore you assume that scum don't have a visitor role with the same powers. HOW NARROW MINDED OF YOU! How about you think more before you post and accuse other people of being stupid you insensitive and pompous little git.

That fits NS' meta that I have seen. Doesn't mean he's not scum, but the argument on him is weak -- very weak.

Yeeeees because the "strong" arguments here have been very successful. And it's not as if your argument of hazard being scum is particularly strong, but if you believe it is, please say why you think so (I don't care if you've posted it already in various smaller disorganised posts, I want it in 1 clear post)

[Zyrconium]

So, Amrun, stance... 24 hours to give and explain.

@Mothras: Mind restating/updating your case on Hazard for me? Too much been said of late for me to be arsed putting it all together. Bonus points for conciseness.

@Kalo: we confirm whether Hazard is visitor... and the

MA JO RI TY

of the case against him is how he hopped onto TS's claim and then helped TS flip town(by helping lynch him)

[Kalofer]

and a scum would reveal his role as a visitor before doing something like that because...? Why don't we lynch NS to confirm whether he is scum or not since he also hopped on the TS wagon and helped TS flip town? It's the same thing, only without the visitor nonsense.
You know this reminds me of how the growth of something is measured (or how our biology book says it is). Since growth is not always proportional, and substances like water cause it to temporarily swell, growth is usually measured by checking the dry mass of an object. But to do that you must completely dry the object and kill it in the process. Now growth strikes me as a particularly unimportant feature to measure considering the cost it requires and I would especially think it unimportant when the thing we are measuring is one that is relatively young and close to extinction. Savvy?

[Amrun]

Kalofer, I never even said Hazard was scum. I said I want to determine his alignment. Durrhurr.

I'm just not trusting he's town.

I wanted to know what his results PM was like because he said it was one word and that he didn't know what things he stole, which makes no sense to me.

If we can determine what the results PM is like, then even if Hazard is town, we know what scum are getting back each night. Seems like a win/win to me.

What am I supposed to be taking a stance on?

[Zyrconium]

On who happens to be scum.... just a little minor thingy.

[Kalofer]

Why don't you respect hazard's desire to keep it a secret?

[Morthas]

Because there is a possibility he lied about his role completely & he is just afraid of being proved scum (which is the possibility of him saying a name who doesn't reply with ''yes i had candy stolen'')
Yes, my bad Kalofer. i was too centered about it making him scum but the possibility of him having no candy stealing mechanic right now still exists.
Besides, his reaction so far is exactly as scum would handle it which doesn't prove anything but still noteworthy.
Ill rethink my stance on Hazard sometime later as i am busier than usual today.

[Hoppster]

I am not told what candy I get, and I'm not even sure if I'm told if I got candy or not. The candy animal might be told either.

Ah.
I don't want to reveal it

[results PM]

at this time.

[Amrun]

Why don't I respect his desire to keep it a secret...? Why the hell SHOULD I respect it? He's half-revealed it anyway, as Hoppster just pointed out. What's stopping him from going the extra little bit I'm asking?

If he was town, there's NO REASON not to. It doesn't give scum anything they need to know -- only town.

So far, Hazard's reactions today have been EXTREMELY suspicious, but honestly, if he just gives a satisfactory answer to the one real question I'm asking of him, I'd probably be happy to leave him as a townread for now.

I have a right to ask things; he has the right to refuse; I have the right to have a scum read on it because of it.

As of now, still waiting to see if he will answer.

If he refuses, I'll probably vote for him, because there's simply no town motivation for that.

[Hazard with a Glove]

Alright. Revealing really just makes it null and void but fine.
I targeted kalofer. Ounce the new day began I got a pm saying I visited my neighbor and we were both got a quicktopic whitch we could chat in for 72 hours. It also said Kalofer is the same role as me but might not be the same alignment.

[Amrun]

I didn't say you needed to say WHO you tried to steal from. In fact, I said not to do that. It's like you really don't read my posts at all.

You could have just said you targeted someone but did not successfully steal candy. Uuugh.

Question: why target Kalofer and not me, since it's out there now?

[Hazard with a Glove]

Because I didn't understand how he knew TS was town and I figured it give me information.

[ToastyToast]

Amrun, you keep changing your mind on what you want to know. I have no idea what you are talking about anymore. You should've clearly explained what you wanted him to say--he already explained that his results don't really tell him if he can make anything/what he was given.