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VP Baltar · Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:51 am

@jedi - I find your assessment of what I said about Gman pretty funny for how hard you are straining to remove the context (and still failing!). I did say Gman needs to kill someone the town wants dead. Why should I tell him who that is? I think there are plenty of obvious choices any townie would see here. Directing only gives scum a chance to affect the outcome more. Giving Gman autonomy in his decision gives him a chance to prove himself easier.

@Furc - assigning arbitrary percentages does what really? I've said I find Gman's claim believable, so I'd like him to prove it. Then we can give him a meaningful 100% approval rating. If you are dying for a percentage though, I'd say above 70% chance Gman is town imo.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:39 am

it was terrible.

@ sottyrulez - let's get that vote moving.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:19 am

We're not lynching Gman Brosius, so you're going to have to fake your scumhunting elsewhere today.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:13 am

@Primate- It is deadline now. Move your vote to Empking if that's where you're going to put it. Stop stalling.

Also, there is most certainly scum in the lurkers. Deadline is tomorrow and scum want to stall this thing out to no lynch or make it a mad scramble at the finish so they don't have to claim responsibility for their votes. Pull your shit together and vote useful wagons today people.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:18 am

I expect some spectacular fireworks from Sottyrulez today considering they didn't even bother making a post yesterday. Since when are you two not around to give analysis and make useful votes at deadline?

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:54 am

what do you mean Lowell? You're saying the wagon on him is 'fail' or that it's failing to happen? If it's the latter, I see plenty of support mounting for that wagon.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:34 am

so what night actions did you have so far?

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:58 am

Yeah, it does match his iso in those posts. Not sure if the alignment is true, but that flavor would match with mick foley it would seem. Still want to hear any actions that have happened so far.

I'm still processing, but if I decide to switch, I'm going to the empking wagon.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:03 am

Let's lynch Gobots.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:19 am

Hey Sottyrulez, how viable do you think the Gman wagon is at this point? I'll even give you my vote to play with, please name the players who you think would lynch him today.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:48 am

@ Sottyrulez

first you don't answer my question at all, then you try to chain lynches. Cool. There is only one way I see you as town this game, but I'll reserve that statement for later. In the meantime, please answer my question to you about Gman.

Also, remember Stars Aligned that just finished when I was scum and you were town, and you were giving me shit for not voting on a necessary lynch and making the game go down to deadline. What's up with all that biz-snatch?

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:22 am

ANSWER MY GOD DAMN QUESTION ABOUT THE GMAN WAGON. WHO WOULD SUPPORT IT?

*ahem*

No, I am not arguing that's why I was caught. That's pretty irrelevant to my argument. My point is that you made a show in that game of calling me scummy because I was apparently waffling during the nitty gritty of deadline (which was true because I was trying to save a scum buddy). I'm saying I don't understand how you were calling me scummy for it there and yet you're doing it right now on a wagon that is almost certainly not going to happen. I'll go pull quotes if I have to, but you know I'm right.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:41 am

Sottyrulez is scum. I think Gman should vig them tonight. FYI.

Why you ask? Zach scum flails and changes his previously bad logic story, that's why. How did you get from 'VP is engineering the jedi wagon to stop Gman wagon' to 'oh, there's no Gman wagon support now'? As far as I can tell, nothing really happened from the taking off of the jedi wagon to now that would change the minds of Gman supporters, would it? Explain that for me.

Additionally, answer my point about SA III. Why did that scum tell apply to me in that game, but it doesn't apply to you here? Appenine isn't accurate meta since it's from forever and a day ago. Also, my point isn't about compromising, it's about dragging the deadline out as long as possible on a lynch that isn't going to happen....which is exactly what you're doing here.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:48 am

@chesskid - I actually agree about Furc, but we tried that once today and people wouldn't bite.

@DDD - Tell me at least you can see what I see about SZ. I think it's pretty damn blatant they haven't been playing like town at all this game. Not even in the Royal Rumble.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:15 am

Never said you claimed I was solely responsible for the jedi wagon. You did however say it was my push to stop the Gman wagon, did you not? Let's go to the Titantron!

Funny quotes of the day by sottyrulez:

We agree with Jedi that VP is pushing a Jedi wagon to pull apart a possible GMan lynch

VP we pretty much admitted the support isn't there in our post 1819.

Bristep is our willing compromise lynch, maybe emp, but IS makes me weary of that lynch.

Backbreaker: Empking

Cool Maury, bro

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:09 am

re:Bristep - several people have voiced some kind of support for it. I don't see how you take DDD's point of 'vote people to get momentum for their wagon' to mean 'vote people that you would settle for a lynch on today'. I just don't get it, especially when you say your second scum suspect, IS, bothers you for supporting that wagon. I mean, I'm not being ridiculous here. There is simply no consistency to what you're saying from one post to the next.

Like I said, I see one reason and one reason only for you to be getting on about the Gman lynch like this. If that reason turns out not to be true, expect me to call for your head on a platter.

Donkey punch: empking

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:15 am

I want to hear who Gman targeted and why. I want to hear what jediknight did last night and why.

I think we can firmly say that IS, DDD and probably jediknight do not share alignment with Empking. Other than that, his iso is pretty useless.

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:44 am

Yeah, Emp was one of the people anxious to see DDD claim, which makes me definitely think they are not paired.

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:35 am

well, considering no one was talking about his vote, it's actually a pretty dumb paragraph. It makes zero sense for Empking buddy to want DDD to force a claim when there was ample support against DDD claiming. Keep pushing that rock though.

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:10 am

*opens Emp iso*

*Ctrl+F*

*DDD*

*8 results*

90 PERCENT OF THEM TALK ABOUT HOW DDD IS SCUM AND NEEDS TO NAME CLAIM. NONE OF THEM SAY HE IS CONTENT WITH DDD NOT CLAIMING.

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:14 am

I like how EA can't read what I wrote and is trying to play tough guy with no street cred.

KAPOW BITCH

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:43 am

I'm anxiously awaiting furcolow to give me his take on empking scumbuddies.

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:05 pm

yes, epic jedi counter claim!

Also, possible furc-Kise connection seconded by me.

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:16 pm

I didn't say you were buddies.

Lion Tamer: jediknight

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:29 pm

Oh, I read hoopster's post wrong. Ah well.

Lion Tamer: Furcolow

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:33 pm

I agree with you KK. Don't forget I was the one questioning SR yesterday! I do have a theory behind their play, but I'm not willing to share it at this time. I would like to see their response to your case before I pass judgement on them today.

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:14 am

I actually think it is relevant who jedi targetted last night and would go a long way toward figuring out what is going on with the NKs. The fact that Furc was supposedly targeted and yet survived means he was either doc'ed (highly unlikely imo) or Gman was roleblocked (much more likely, regardless of his alignment). I don't forsee a town roleblocker targeting Gman since his kill is something that town wanted to go through. To me, that means that if Gman is town, then a potential scum roleblocker did not stop a second kill last night. That leaves us with the most likely options of town doc or town roleblocker/jailkeeper.

jedi should reveal every day if he's town because he's essentially living on borrowed time as a claimed power role and we don't want to have to guess at his information if he happens to die.

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:15 am

@SR - I don't get what you're saying about Emp passing the belt. What other choice would he have than to name you? Also, how would you describe your 'position in the game' at the time of emp's passing the belt?

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:45 am

punch: jedi
Leg drop: furcolow

You mean the end of the day today or the end of the game day?

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:32 am

Where is Nero Cain? Where is Kise? Where is [fill in the blank with your name if you haven't posted today]?

brain buster: jediknight
leg sweep: furcolow

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:55 am

Never hurts to poke the brush and see what stirs.

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:11 am

Well, everyone should still be voting for who they find scummy and not using pumping jedi up as an excuse to leave your votes hanging in the wind. Let's not forget that this game has relatively short deadlines.

DDT: jediknight
Spinal Tap: furcolow

like such

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:18 am

outguess the mod isn't really useful. LL might think RBs are better than Docs. I think we'll just see if he kills someone tonight or not. If Gman doesn't end up being lynched today, we're practically guaranteed to find out if one of them is bullshitting tonight.

piledriver: jediknight
Boot to head:furcolow

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:34 am

@AV - oh you're right. forgot he claimed one-shot. Eh, maybe we should just lynch him today then.

@IS - you do realize there is probably more than one scum group in play here, correct?

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:00 am

@IS - well, we've had two different scum players flip so far. Additionally, this is a very large game and if there weren't multiple killing roles in play for both town and scum, it would probably take a very long time. That's why I think there are multiple factions.

@Furc - I don't think I need to calm down, nor do I think you need to claim immediately...though I'm not sure why you even bring that up. Why do you think claiming at this point is a good idea?

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:25 am

I would also assume there are things like doctors, roleblockers (proven!) and jailkeepers in effect as well. We have Furc seemingly crumbing some type of NK immunity (team of SKs?). I find it hard to believe there is only one kill per night in this game.

rabbit punch:jediknight
rabbit punch: GMan

Having thought about it, I don't really want the WIFOM surrounding Gman to be plaguing us in late game, so he needs to go today. I think it will also go a long way into assessing the believability of Sottyrulez's scumhunting.

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:13 pm

Gobots lynch tomorrow after Gman is dead.

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:50 pm

I think you're missing the point. Your speculation doesn't account for any number of other possibilities. I certainly understand what you're saying and it is one scenario, but it is hardly the forgone conclusion you make it out to be. I think that's scummy.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:41 am

@Gobots - when have I ever played with you? And I'm fine with you voting me over bad setup speculation, so keep your threats. Why is it very likely jedi prevented a kill? What insight could you possibly have about who the scum sent to kill? Unless you're scum of course because the reasons you list (number of known roleblockers? really?) make no sense.

@KK - I think confirmation plus getting him to thin the herd at this point are both very good things. There are a lot of lurkers in this game and I'd put money there is scum amongst them. As a town, we obviously can't spend all our time lynch lurkers because there is very little information in that. Vigging one of them is a win-win. Also, if we're lynching out of sottyrulez and Gman, I definitely Gman needs to go first.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:50 am

Let's not let IS hammer any more wagons. He clearly has a personal interest in doing so, and I don't trust him enough to potentially be powering him up.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:45 am

^Agree with IS. Pretty convenient that Gman is mostly interested in lynching furc today.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:12 am

Threaten him with a lynch if he does it again. Or designate two people to the L-1 and hammer positions so they can simulpost and thus prevent IS from hammering.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:27 am

that was seriously the hammer?

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:08 am

I'm not exactly shocked.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:39 pm

What would you like from me exactly? I don't see how I'm supposed to respond to his claim. I believe he's telling the truth about his role and did block me. I didn't receive any message saying I was blocked if that's what you're looking for.

VP Baltar · Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:05 am

jedi - you are so far up your own OMGUS it's ridiculous, hence why I wasn't surprised you targeted me. I figured you would last night, though I was hoping it would be a cop investigation or something so then you'd shut up. I was on you because you were playing a scummy game (still are), but now I can see it's just because that's how you play the game. There are so many connections you are trying to make to call me scummy based upon people who haven't flipped. And then you claim to know how I play on top of all that. I am cool with a wagon forming on me though, because I know it will draw some scum.

Still want Gman dead today.

VP Baltar · Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:50 am

It is fucking important because if you die that info would go with you. That's why it was important. I figured it was me you targeted, and had it been a copping or something I wanted you to clear me. Even though you wasted a night action, it's still better that it's out there so there is nothing scum can WIFOM from hidden results.

In terms of my iso being nothing except directing wagons...wtf do you think this game is about? If you're town, you lynch people you think are scummy. That's my job and that's what I'll continue to do. This is what I mean by your OMGUS because you don't even make sense in this shit you try to push and then wonder why I would think you look scummy.

VP Baltar · Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:13 am

do you think I should be vigged tonight IS?

VP Baltar · Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:32 am

I think there are lots of people who make better vig targets than I do, personally. For instance:

Lowell
Scott Brosius
Baby Spice
Gobots

Perhaps even sottyrulez depending on what Gman flips. I don't really see what jedi is doing as a conscious effort to derail the Gman wagon so much as he is tunneled on me and incorrectly believes he stopped a scum kill last night. I do feel like you're trying to direct the vig subtly toward me though, hence why I asked if you thought I should be killed. I'll ask again since you didn't answer. Yes or no, do you think I should be vigged?

VP Baltar · Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:44 am

Just for the record, I highly encourage any investigation role out there to check me out if you have your doubts. I have nothing to hide.

VP Baltar · Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:05 am

yeah, that makes total sense. So the investigation immune scum godfather would perform the NK on a night he was likely to be targeted by a known power role. Also, you still haven't answered my question. Third times the charm, you think I should be vigged tonight?

VP Baltar · Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:36 am

I agree it doesn't mean anything happened. What I am saying is that your implication of me being inv. immune godfather is ridiculous considering I was about 90 percent sure jedi was going to target me last night with whatever power he got. Additionally, investigation role doesn't just mean cop. trackers and etc. fall in this category as well. Anyhow, this is all just dumb wifom.

VP Baltar · Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:55 am

Gobots: it says so right in my post. you are useless.

VP Baltar · Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:12 am

What do you expect me to say, jedi? I didn't submit a NK and I'm not scum. You wasted your night action because you're too caught up on OMGUS to read alignment. Had your block been placed somewhere useful, it could have revealed some kind of information in the long run once more power roles and their night actions are known.

And no, there isn't a reason for your tunneling. I have been on your case because you were legitimately scummy. I don't need to write a book to pressure you. If you want to play this text book mafia shit from 5 years ago, I suggest you round up glork, pj and other people that enjoy that style. I'm much more succinct and effective than that.

VP Baltar · Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:59 am

They work together just fine. It is worthwhile to have the result even if he stupidly targeted me. There was still a possibility he did not, yeah? Since jedi is the only fully claimed PR atm, I'm sure his life expectancy isn't great. Getting a result on the table before he dies and leaves it to WIFOM is important.

VP Baltar · Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:04 am

@furc - he said he was eddy gurrera and he hits people with a cadillac or some crap.

VP Baltar · Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:50 am

Diversion from what? Because I'm being as obv. town as I can be and don't want to be shot because I'm actually contributing to the game? Why shouldn't you be vigged do you feel? It's not like your presence is helpful at all this game. I think thinning the lurker herd before we approach lylo is a very good choice. I guarantee there is scum in that group.

VP Baltar · Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:47 am

yes, let's not rush this day please thank you.

If you guys are intent on hammering, I want to know if jedi is going to vig me.

VP Baltar · Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:04 pm

I'm not saying we should nail down who jedi is shooting. I am saying if it's me, which I think is what he's likely to do, I would like to know.

As far as Gman goes, I'm not worried about his lynch. I want him dead. However, there are things we could talk about and people we should force to post before that happens. Clear?

VP Baltar · Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:12 pm

nice to see you brosius after several days of lurking and posting in other threads. Care to give actual reads? Be involved in any useful way?

@jedi - I don't really care about getting into ego battles with you. Nor have I been trying to paint you as an idiot. I do think you've played a scummy game, but that doesn't make you an idiot. I suggest there are actually scummy people you could be shooting and you take a second to step outside of your own perspective in this game to see what I'm saying, but it's up to you in the end. whatever.

VP Baltar · Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:25 pm

nope. Waiting for scott brosius, nero cain, Kise and lowell to contribute something to the day.

VP Baltar · Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:44 am

Yes, also Gman seems to have stopped caring about this game altogether since his lynched appeared imminent. I dare say that's a calling card for scum.

VP Baltar · Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:37 am

I regret ever asking nero to post again. His absence made me forget how horrid he is.

@Vas - I really wish you wouldn't go down this road of game comparison. It is something I see you do all the time and you're wrong about it quite often. It's pretty bad form to draw connections between your recently completed games because every game is different and should be taken on its own merits. Making false comparison's between games just makes it easier for the scum to manipulate you. I really don't think the Gman wagon is analogous to the Spyrex wagon at all from SA III. Here Gman claimed an action that is convenient from a scum perspective and never delivered. Additionally, he's completely stopped posting as his wagon grew. These things point to scum.

VP Baltar · Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:54 am

You probably shouldn't let IS push your buttons AV. If necessary, I can be around to simulvote GMan if someone takes my spot on the wagon.

VP Baltar · Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:11 am

Yeah, poor you. Life sucks.

VP Baltar · Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:22 am

That's really all you have to say after three days of not posting sottyrulez?

VP Baltar · Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:36 am

Unvote

stopping IS hammer

VP Baltar · Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:40 am

I must have miscounted in there. I'll need to go back an look. Either way, I'm not giving IS a hammer today. I don't care how much AtE pouting he does.

SottyR - how likely did you think it was that vezo would be killed when you passed the belt? Also, who else do you think is scum besides Gman?

VP Baltar · Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:26 am

I've been crabby, really? I think any perceived crabbiness is more out of frustration with the personalities in this game and has been pretty consistent before or after jedi made his claim.

VP Baltar · Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:11 am

Well, I'm not exactly certain Gman is scum either, but what can you do? Letting WIFOM like that go is a recipe for disaster.

I'd like bristep to answer KK and then I will hammer.

VP Baltar · Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:03 am

Are we waiting on anything else? Ready to hammer now.

VP Baltar · Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:56 am

you sob -__-

VP Baltar · Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:51 am

You dead now SR. Knew you were scum.

Also, lol @ your never had a chance to discuss it as a hydra. you freaking live together and you couldn't talk about it? Sure.

VP Baltar · Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:07 am

How did you guys know chesskid had the belt?

VP Baltar · Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:16 am

Then I'm missing something. You said you missed deadline and the belt was randomized. Locke says you're not told who the belt is randomized to. You claim early in the day to know the belt went to chess. Unless I missed it in my skim back over those pages, you said this before he claimed to have the belt. I don't see how you knew he had the belt. That is the argument DDD is making. I very well could be missing something, so explain it or point me specifically to the post where you do.

VP Baltar · Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:57 am

booya

VP Baltar · Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:22 am

I think most of my comments about this game were mostly said in the dead QT. I will repeat however that this was a hell of a lot of scum

. Town got lucky the way things worked out, even if some town members were hunting very well. I liked the belt mechanics, it was an interesting twist to things. Scum teams obviously had a mix of bad luck and bad fake claims here. Thanks for modding Locke. Flavor was great of course. I would definitely play in a sequel game if it ever came up.

VP Baltar · Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:49 am

http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/5byBmiBH3kqhk

VP Baltar · Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:53 pm

I wouldn't say I really "disliked" you jedi. I just thought you were being really irrational and OMGUSing me for no clear reason. I felt I was being as helpful to the town as I possibly could have been, so I didn't get why you were tunneling on me so hard. I also felt like you were being overly sensitive about me questioning you, but I can see now that's just sort of how you play (at least in this game), so at least I have a better understanding of that now.