Open 293 - Donner Party Mafia, Take Two (Game Over)

[DemonHybrid]

YOU JUST DONT WANT MORE OF YOUR MISLYNCH FODDER DYING

NEW! Chesskid: twice of the yelling, 0% of the evidential backing!

[DemonHybrid]

OH HEY LOOK MISREP FROM THE GUY WHO CALLS MISREP ALL THE TIME

I LIKE IRONY
AND MUDKIPS
YOU?


SS EXPLICITLY SAID SHE WOULD

I actually rarely call misrep, but right, whatever.

And lets use our brains for a second.

Town Vig.

Serial Killer.

Who is more inclined to help town?

And yes, I don't give a fuck what singer says.

[DemonHybrid]

singer has already proven that she really doesn't care what happens, because if she did, she'd realize her "u voted early cuz nightkill speculation" case was crap and actually read that I pushed her to give reads and suspected her wagon toying.

The town vig is TOWN aligned and therefore, it fits his wincon better to help us, as opposed to someone who just doesn't really give a fuck but says that she'll try to help town, which I don't really believe.

In another light: Who's more likely to think about what to do with their night action: scum who is about to die and lose the game? Or a town aligned killer?

[chesskid3]

YOU JUST DONT WANT MORE OF YOUR MISLYNCH FODDER DYING

NEW! Chesskid: twice of the yelling, 0% of the evidential backing!

shouldn't it be 200% and 0%

just saying

[chesskid3]

This whole game is a misrep fest and I'm getting pretty fucking annoyed at this point in time.

oh?

[DemonHybrid]

YOU JUST DONT WANT MORE OF YOUR MISLYNCH FODDER DYING

NEW! Chesskid: twice of the yelling, 0% of the evidential backing!

shouldn't it be 200% and 0%

just saying

...

That hurt 50% of my brain. That's almost half.

[DemonHybrid]

I actually

rarely

call misrep, but right, whatever.

[chesskid3]

we'll give her a target, she'll kill them
she has no reason to fuck us.
Also, We'll get a FLIP FROM WHO SHE KILLS YOU DERP BECAUSE TS WILL KILL HER

[chesskid3]

This whole game is a misrep fest and I'm getting pretty fucking annoyed at this point in time.

oh?

a derpity derp derp

[DemonHybrid]

we'll give her a target, she'll kill them
she has no reason to fuck us.
Also, We'll get a FLIP FROM WHO SHE KILLS YOU DERP BECAUSE TS WILL KILL HER

good point
SS, shoot romanus tonight
ts kill SS

mafia kill TS

lynch dh today

OMG 4 DIRECTED THINGS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[DemonHybrid]

And I guess you need the definition of rarely.

It means sparingly, as in once in a blue moon, as in "not never, but pretty close".

You can comb through my past games and maybe find me use the word "misrep"...twice, I think? That's after 21 games.

[chesskid3]

you calling me black?

i'm offended

[Twistedspoon]

we'll give her a target, she'll kill them

no

SK ia today's lynch

things could go horribly wrong if we let her live


hammer her now and stop this madness. I already have my target and I'm not changing it

[chesskid3]

there is nothign wrong with my plan
you dont have to be the hero gotham has man
you can be the hero gotham NEEDS

[DemonHybrid]

there is nothign wrong with my plan
you dont have to be the hero gotham has man
you can be the hero gotham NEEDS

Are you going to post something with substance and reasoning as to why your plan is better without saying "just because my reads and yeah"?

[Twistedspoon]

I'm not shooting singer again, so you might as well lynch her today to prevent any more damage being done.

I have my target and I'm not shooting singer again
She's for the lynch

[chesskid3]

you could just give ss your target to kill
if she's says she'll do it
why not

because we get more reveals
plus an extra lynch over the other plan

[singersigner]

Chess, it would be better to lynch me, I only suggested it be tomorrow.

TS will not make it through the night. His flip and the one he chooses to kill will not be known to anyone but the mafia. If, however, you leave me alive, at least one of our kills will be known.

That's all I was saying.

Just please don't lynch me until everyone's had a chance to say something. I'm not trying to get out of a lynch (believe me, I understand the name of the game) and if you choose to lynch me tomorrow instead, I'd kill whoever you think is the best kill...I have no incentive to not side with the town after I know my loss is inevitable.

Regardless, I feel as though DH is pretending to remain involved by discrediting Chess AND myself, as opposed to actually taking this time to look back and find who he thinks is scum. If he is in fact town, he's not acting in a very pro-town manner.

Preview Edit:
Pretty much, but I can understand why the town wouldn't go for it. And the mafia DEFINITELY wouldn't go for it because it increases the risk that they will get killed.

[DemonHybrid]

as opposed to actually taking this time to look back and find who he thinks is scum

Like, when I was against Friend? And still am? It's something that I've been stressing for a LONG time, you know.

he's not acting in a very pro-town manner.

And I see by the lack of evidence that I'm forced to assume that you don't care about what you're saying?

I know that chess is tunneling the shit out of me, and I'd say the same about you if lynching you wasn't a no brainer.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI, who are your top 3 scumreads?

I’ll give you my full range of scum instead of limiting it to just 3.

Friend - As I pointed out yesterday Friend has done zero scum-hunting. After I called him on it and pressed for his lynch late yesterday he’s gone into deep hybrernation.

DRK – I’ve encapsulated some general thoughts in my back and forth.

Chesskid - Call it gut.

Romanus – He’s input is so low that it’s hard to have anything other than a slight scum read on him at this juncture.

That’s the quick and dirty.

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SS EXPLICITLY SAID SHE WOULD

ITT we learn Chesskid is either incredibly naive or just stupid. Lulz. The Serial Killer, who has a Win Condition that is NOT TOWN, has said she will help us. Let’s trust her completely. DERP DERP DERP

there is nothign wrong with my plan
you dont have to be the hero gotham has man
you can be the hero gotham NEEDS

Before I ridicule you some more for having no clue what you are talking about let’s examine two paths – one where we let TS kill Singer and one where we don’t. We are going to be operating under ‘Worst Case Scenario’ assumptions here so no successful role-blocks are factored in.

We have 10 people alive right now.

Option 1 – We lynch Singer. The rest of the Days play out as follows –

9 Alive N2 – Mafia kills Twisted and Twisted kills someone.
7 Alive D3 – We lynch suspected Scum.
6 Alive N3 – Mafia kills Town.
5 Alive D4 – If Twisted hasn’t shot Scum N2 or we haven’t lynched scum we assume we are in LYLO right here.

Option 2 – We lynch someone else. The rest of the Days play out as follows –

9 Alive N2 – Singer kills someone, Mafia kills Twisted, Twisted kills Singer.
6 Alive D3 – We are in MYLO unless Singer killed scum or we lynched scum.

So under your plan unless we successfully lynch a Goon in Singer’s place or Singer shoots scum (which we will NOT know unless Twisted lives) we are in MYLO Day 3.

Lynching 100% correctly – which we are with Singer – gives us an additional day-phase to scum-hunt.

TL: DR Summary – Your plan makes no sense when viewed objectively. And from a pure gameplay standpoint you are advocating letting 100% confirmed scum live when lynching them halves the number of Anti-Town Nightkills. Yes, it’s a stupid plan.

[DeathRowKitty]

I already have my target and I'm not changing it

*sigh*

I'm kind of worried that's going to end up being me because lol, magna posted a lot of useless words about me.

So here you go and I hope you're happy now: I'm the roleblocker. I crumbed it just a bit but probably a bit harder than I meant to:

How about I speak for everyone:

If the roleblocker is not andrew, (s)he did not roleblock twisted.

I roleblocked DemonHybrid last night. It was some combination of PoE and a gut read from a quick skim of the thread, but I suppose the reasons aren't important, considering scum won't be stupid enough to counterclaim me. What's interesting to note from last night's kills is that, assuming my roleblock didn't hit the player making the mafia kill, both mafia and sk went after the dietician, whereas I would expect the mafia team to go after the vig because it's more likely the serial killer will go after the dietician! (dietician inspecting sk = automatically caught, whereas vig targeting sk gives a small chance of not being caught (doesn't know if blocked), plus, more importantly, the sk likes having a vig around so extra players will die, especially when it knows it can survive one shot) I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the mafia kill was blocked. Just saying.

And now, just because I have the opportunity...

Hi MoI. First of all, I would just like to say you're very obviously scum for trying to out me as a PR. Your push of someone that was clearly not scummy led to an unnecessary claim, so you must be. That's how scumhunting works, right? Oh, and just for the future (and I think you'll be needing this advice, though I highly doubt you'll take it), get your head out of your ass. Just because you're too incompetent to read someone (a.k.a. lane) doesn't mean that anyone else competent enough to read him is scum. You may continue to sit there comfortably behind your walls and your "omg i die night 1 so much omgomgomgomgomgomg !!!!", but that really means nothing in an actual game if you don't do shit. If you're town, your contributions so far this game have been
1. getting an obv-town player lynched day 1
2. outing the RB (lolomgomgomgomgwtfbbqscum)
3. drowning the town in useless walls (yes, useless; most of what they do is ask useless questions)

I don't care how tall you are or think you are. If your horse is so high that you can no longer see us, your horse is too high. So get on off it. Please.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I roleblocked DemonHybrid last night. It was some combination of PoE and a gut read from a quick skim of the thread, but I suppose the reasons aren't important,

considering scum won't be stupid enough to counterclaim me.

Unleash the WIFOM. Certainly if you are not the Role-blocker this isn’t an attempt to draw the Real Roleblocker out since you’d fear death as a Goon …

Oh, and just for the future (and I think you'll be needing this advice, though I highly doubt you'll take it), get your head out of your ass. Just because you're too incompetent to read someone (a.k.a. lane) doesn't mean that anyone else competent enough to read him is scum.

Lulz at the insults. Take your own advice – just because you are too incompetent to read someone (aka Xalxe) doesn’t mean that anyone else competent to read him is scum.

If you're town, your contributions so far this game have been

Similarly your contributions this game have been –

1. outing the Dietician, resulting in getting him killed N1. Yes, getting a Town PR as opposed to lynching a VT.
2. drowning the Town in pointless discussion about cupcakes and your personal game theory.

3. drowning the town in useless walls (yes, useless; most of what they do is ask useless questions)

I don't care how tall you are or think you are. If your horse is so high that you can no longer see us, your horse is too high. So get on off it. Please.

I included these together because the irony is funny. You should know about High Horses since you’ve been on yours all game regarding your superiority of play-style and reads.

[MagnaofIllusion]

And for the record this is exactly why having a LONG day today with 100% scum is a bad idea.

[DeathRowKitty]

Unleash the WIFOM. Certainly if you are not the Role-blocker this isn’t an attempt to draw the Real Roleblocker out since you'd fear death as a Goon …

You're kidding, right? Unless you're looking to start a pointless argument, what was the point of this? I'm the roleblocker and I will not be counterclaimed because it would be stupid for scum to counterclaim me. End of story.

Lulz at the insults. Take your own advice – just because you are too incompetent to read someone (aka Xalxe) doesn’t mean that anyone else competent to read him is scum.

This...is bs. You never said Xalxe was town at all. And I said you were town, remember? Or did all that get lost in your ego somewhere?

Similarly your contributions this game have been –

1. outing the Dietician, resulting in getting him killed N1. Yes, getting a Town PR as opposed to lynching a VT.
2. drowning the Town in pointless discussion about cupcakes and your personal game theory.

I made like 3 posts about cupcakes and they didn't significantly detract from the game in any way. As for game theory, I bring it up when it's relevant and only as a side feature to other points. And yes, I outed the dietician. Now we're even.

You should know about High Horses since you’ve been on yours all game regarding your superiority of play-style and reads.

Huh? I'm pretty sure the only play style I've attacked is yours and that's because you seem to think you're some sort of god or something. I've never once said my play style was good.

[MagnaofIllusion]

This...is bs. You never said Xalxe was town at all. And I said you were town, remember? Or did all that get lost in your ego somewhere?

1. I don't call Town reads Town. It's unproductive to give scum a clear indication who I absolutely will not support the lynch of. The fact that I didn't express any desire at all to vote or press Xalxe outside of knowing who his alt was (for potental meta purposes) is a pretty clear indication I had a Town read on him.
2. First you called me scum and then at one pointed ended with "You are stupid Town". Hardly something I find to be considered a serious post. I chocked it up to you wanting to be insulting. And if you did think I was Town then the post you just made about how I clearly must be scum is just fluff meant to be condescending. Very usefull ...

Huh? I'm pretty sure the only play style I've attacked is yours and that's because you seem to think you're some sort of god or something. I've never once said my play style was good.

I don't think I'm a God. At this juncture it should be obvious what I intended with the whole "I will catch you scum so you better kill me". It was a pure WIFOM bomb aimed at making the scum dither back and forth as to whether I was a PR and worth killing. If it increased the chances of drawning a NK as VT it was worth it. I'm obviously not the Vig, Dietician or Rolelblocker (since I would have immediatly CCed you). Of course this went out the window the second we got multiple Town PR claims Day 1 ....

But the fact remains you've spent your time discussing how useless my play-style is. The clear inference is that yours HAS to be better. Don't pretend otherwise.