Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Amrun]

Actually, him saying he doesn't know what he was given means he was lying, because he didn't get ANYTHING because he targeted another zoo visitor.

I'm sorry if I was unclear about what I wanted, but I don't think I was. I was pretty clear about it, I think, though I am probably biased in this.

And Hazard, I accept your information and won't lynch you for now.

But if your goal was to get candy... Oh well. What's done is done.

What did your QT with Kalofer reveal to you? Any thoughts on that?

[ToastyToast]

wait--so you think he was lying but accept his information?

Also, Hazard: I don't quite understand your results. So, you were under the premise that targeting would result in the gathering of goods for in exchange for a power. Instead, you got in a QT with Kalofer. Seems an odd situation

. Kalofer, do you support his claim?

[Amrun]

Well, he was lying. I don't think there's any way around it.

I think he was trying to get out of claiming the QT with Kalofer, which I can see a town PR doing. I'm not a LAL type.


I can see the "visitors" getting to chat, though it is strange that it's daytalk, imho.

[Charlie]

Vote Count 16

Hazard With a Glove (3) - Morthas, crazypianist1116, Stels
Nobody Special (2) - mb53, Kalofer
Morthas (2) - vezokpiraka, Hazard With a Glove
Zyrconium (1) - ToastyToast
vezokpiraka (1) - Hoppster
Stels (1) - Zyrconium
mb53 (1) - Nobody Special

Not voting: Amrun
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is on Wednesday, 20th April at 1200 hours (GMT -5)

[Charlie]

Nobody Special has been prodded.

[vezokpiraka]

It would've been delayed night chat. And that would suck.
I am not sure if I believe Hazard's claim. TS didn't say anything about QTs.

[Kalofer]

. Kalofer, do you support his claim?

Yes I completely support hazard's claim, the mod said we are both visitors but he said we could be different alignments and we were given daytalk for 72 hours (the majority of which I missed due to my absence). I just got a message from the mod telling me I've been neighbourised with him.

TS didn't say anything about QTs.

TS didn't say because he probably didn't know because I definitely didn't know and I'm pretty sure Hazard didn't know either.
The whole thing is making me lean towards thinking Hazard is town but I don't know.

As for me I targeted hoppster during the night because I thought that if I got something then he was probably a town candy animal and I wouldn't have to worry about him and if I didn't then it probably meant he had nothing and was perhaps scum (since baddies are after goodies). On hindsight though, it was narrow minded of me to believe that scum definitely do not have goodies, but I am pretty sure he can't be another town visitor since that would mean (assuming hazard is a town visitor) that there would be 4 town visitors which I find unlikely

Either way after I targeted hoppster I got a PM telling me i got no results because my action failed. Personally I have no idea what that means though I am willing to lynch hoppster to investigate (I didn't start a wagon on him today because it would seem extremely scummy especially after I had said I didn't want to lynch him). After this came up though (and I rather it hadn't), nothing is stopping me from prioritising hoppster over NS.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hoppster

[Zyrconium]

@Kalo: how incredibly unimaginative of you to assume lynching Hoppster will tell you anything?

How about you try lynching scum?(I'm assuming you're not especially confident of Hopp being scum, if you are, please correct this assumption, preferably add logic too)

[Kalofer]

Meh, it's not like I didn't want to lynch him beforehand, now I guess I have more of a reason to do so. We can always go back to NS if you'd prefer that but frankly I couldn't care less.

In other words yeah I am confident that hoppster is scum, you're gonna have to wait for the logic bit though, and don't count on it.

[Nobody Special]

So, Hazard is lying.

What about, we're not sure, but he's contradicted himself. I'm voting him.

Vote: Hazard

Kalofer, I want whatever it is that you're smoking.

Hopp: You're just weird.

Amrun: Keep asking questions, You're good at it.

[Kalofer]

Well you ain't gettin none...ok I may give you a bit since you were such a good mod last game.

[Zyrconium]

I am not told what candy I get, and I'm not even sure if I'm told if I got candy or not. The candy animal might be told either.

Unvote
Vote Nobody Special

That wagon hop isn't town based, because if he'd bothered to go read Hazard's post he'd have realised that Hazard stated he didn't know what candy he got(this is probably true, but it's not neccessarily true) while STRONGLY IMPLYING he had no evidence to discern whether he's told IF(not "WHAT" but "IF") he has stolen any candy at all. There's no contradiction, there IS evidence that at the time you're saying he contradicted himself he know what he was planning to claim and there IS evidence you're not really trying to scumhunt, so much as hide behind half-assed "rules" of I can't be accused for calling someone scum when they do X.

Stels is still scum, CP is still useless and annoying, and probably scum, but fairly unreadable.

[Amrun]

Hee hasn't gotten any candy, so how could he know he doesn't know what candy he's got?

Bad application of LAL, though.

[Nobody Special]

How do you

know

he hasn't gotten any candy?

I just don't trust him.

[Kalofer]

Oh yeah thanks a lot zyrc, you just had to vote NS as soon as I unvoted him, thanks a lot. Hey also if you have the time, would you mind pointing out why you think stels is scum or directing me to the posts where you say so, he still strikes me as a useless retard but his particular stupidity is giving me town vibes. Still though I am all for lynching ignorant lurking babblers so count me in if that wagon takes off.

[Amrun]

Kalofer, I'd like to hear your case on Hoppster.

[Kalofer]

I'm sorry NS but are you aware of the situation here? Didn't you see my post where I confirmed Hazard's night action? And actually, who do you trust (or who do you trust to be town more than other people)?

[Nobody Special]

Kalofer, you're assuming I trust you.

I think Amrun is town.

[Kalofer]

Hmmmm, that's a tricky one amrun.
Well I'm sure I thought of him as being quite possibly scum at one point though I have completely forgotten the reason. Now I think he's scum because he seems to be acting too suspiciously townie to be town, just like TS was acting too scummy to be scum. I guess I'll re-read his posts to obtain a better opinion. Expect it soon-ish.

But how could you not trust me?! I feel so offended

[Hoppster]

I can confirm what Kalofer is saying is quite likely to be true.

Although I don't like Kalofer's reasoning for being suspicious of me (having said that, I am taking it as a compliment), he is very likely to be telling the truth about his results.

I was humming and hawing for a bit over whether to do this, but I can't really think of any reason not to. If I have overlooked something (although I don't think I have), I apologise.

This is not a full claim, but it is a part-claim.


I am a Cowardly _______.

[Taken out for purposes of part-claim, obviously.]

I have two actions, of which I can perform one each night.

One of these is hiding myself. This makes me immune to all Night actions.


I hid myself last night, so any Night actions carried out on me will have failed. I clarified with the mod pre-game - this includes any night kill attempts. I strongly suspect that I drew the scum night-kill last night due to the lack of a night-kill. I don't know for sure of course, but I was trying to make it clear that I was a Power Role of sorts during the day in an attempt to draw the night-kill (which I would of course then foil!).

This also makes for some beautiful WIFOM for scum.

[ToastyToast]

Do you have to hide behind something? Or is this a role different from the typical hider?

[Hoppster]

No, it's not a typical Hider role. I just 'hide'. It involves nobody other than myself.

[Kalofer]

THAT'S ENOUGH!
I HAVE HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHER******* ROLES IN THIS MOTHER******* GAME!!!

I'm going back to NS and toasty (and possibly stels). I find it very unlikely that hoppster made all of that up.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nobody Special

[Amrun]

I had a townread on hoppster anyway, but a townread on Kalofer (well, a more sure townread) clarifies some things.

I need to think.

[Amrun]

Question for everyone: what do you think the ratio of town zoo visitors: candy animals: scum zoo visitors is?