Metropolis: Revisited [Game Over]

[StrangerCoug]

HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU?

HOW AM I OMGUSing YOU, WHEN I CALLED YOU SCUM FIRST?

My town reads on AlmasterGM and Lady Lambdadelta have committed suicide.

Toog/SC/KK is my most likely scum team.

I'm really sold on SC scum.

Did you call me scum prior to April 4?

Try NOT using false information next time, ok?

Try practicing what you preach. You effectively agreed with me that the game is going sour, then called me scummy? How does that work?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU?

HOW AM I OMGUSing YOU, WHEN I CALLED YOU SCUM FIRST?

My town reads on AlmasterGM and Lady Lambdadelta have committed suicide.

Toog/SC/KK is my most likely scum team.

I'm really sold on SC scum.

Did you call me scum prior to April 4?

Try NOT using false information next time, ok?

Try practicing what you preach. You effectively agreed with me that the game is going sour, then called me scummy? How does that work?

I open the day calling you scum.

You follow it up with calling me scum for the exact same reasons.

And just because I agree with you that this game has gone to the dogs due to apathy, doesn't mean I think you are town.

[StrangerCoug]

Wake up and smell the coffee, Lady Lambdadelta. I was worried about you and AlmasterGM prior to ThAdmiral's death. AlmasterGM flipped scum and you weren't all that different from him at the end of Day 2, so I'm connecting the dots.

Tell me, Lady Lambdadelta, did you have a

GENUINE REASON

to want ThAdmiral lynched?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wake up and smell the coffee, Lady Lambdadelta. I was worried about you and AlmasterGM prior to ThAdmiral's death. AlmasterGM flipped scum and you weren't all that different from him at the end of Day 2, so I'm connecting the dots.

Tell me, Lady Lambdadelta, did you have a

GENUINE REASON

to want ThAdmiral lynched?

AGM was tunnelling the fuck out of me.

If you're connecting a scum team with he and I, you're delusional.

I could see some of the points that were brought up about ThAdmiral SC, but I wanted Friend lynched yesterday.

The fact is, if I had struck anyone else, it would have been a

detriment

to town.

And you would be here telling me I was scum for striking who I thought was a better lynch.

You are trying to twist intent where there is nothing to twist. I couldn't strike ANYONE ELSE at the end of the day, and still be useful to town. You are trying to turn that into scum motivation, which in itself is scummy.

Instead of looking for scum intent where you may find it, you are trying to

create it

where you need it.

[Kublai Khan]

I like AGar as curiouskarmadog's scummate.

vote: AGar

[Albert B. Rampage]

AGar is dead, scumbag.

[StrangerCoug]

Wake up and smell the coffee, Lady Lambdadelta. I was worried about you and AlmasterGM prior to ThAdmiral's death. AlmasterGM flipped scum and you weren't all that different from him at the end of Day 2, so I'm connecting the dots.

Tell me, Lady Lambdadelta, did you have a

GENUINE REASON

to want ThAdmiral lynched?

AGM was tunnelling the fuck out of me.

If you're connecting a scum team with he and I, you're delusional.

So I'm delusional. Regardless of my sanity, I don't buy the WIFOM defense of the connection.

I could see some of the points that were brought up about ThAdmiral SC, but I wanted Friend lynched yesterday.

The fact is, if I had struck anyone else, it would have been a

detriment

to town.

And you would be here telling me I was scum for striking who I thought was a better lynch.

We have too much scum in the game for allowing a mislynch to happen to be good strategy. Counting the Inner Circle as part of that faction only, this game started as 13:3:3:3:1:1. We are now at 9:3:2:2:1. The next townie to die will put us at parity with the combined scum unless we hit them first.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wake up and smell the coffee, Lady Lambdadelta. I was worried about you and AlmasterGM prior to ThAdmiral's death. AlmasterGM flipped scum and you weren't all that different from him at the end of Day 2, so I'm connecting the dots.

Tell me, Lady Lambdadelta, did you have a

GENUINE REASON

to want ThAdmiral lynched?

AGM was tunnelling the fuck out of me.

If you're connecting a scum team with he and I, you're delusional.

So I'm delusional. Regardless of my sanity, I don't buy the WIFOM defense of the connection.

I could see some of the points that were brought up about ThAdmiral SC, but I wanted Friend lynched yesterday.

The fact is, if I had struck anyone else, it would have been a

detriment

to town.

And you would be here telling me I was scum for striking who I thought was a better lynch.

We have too much scum in the game for allowing a mislynch to happen to be good strategy. Counting the Inner Circle as part of that faction only, this game started as 13:3:3:3:1:1. We are now at 9:3:2:2:1. The next townie to die will put us at parity with the combined scum unless we hit them first.

Are you fucking stupid? You can't take back strikes.

So when 11 people have struck ThAd, and there are 4 voters left, NOT striking the leading wagon is BAD. It means potentially a no lynch could occur.

And at that point, ThAd was the only one who COULD be lynched.

You're not paying attention to the mechanics, or you're deliberately overlooking them.

[Kublai Khan]

AGar is dead, scumbag.

Huh.. Well that explains that.

Let me ISO read AlmasterGM then.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We have too much scum in the game for allowing a mislynch to happen to be good strategy. Counting the Inner Circle as part of that faction only, this game started as 13:3:3:3:1:1. We are now at 9:3:2:2:1. The next townie to die will put us at parity with the combined scum unless we hit them first.

9:3:3:1

Three mafia left (goon, RB, Framer). Two mafia are inner circle. One SK.

[Kublai Khan]

Okay.. HRezs is scum. AlmasterGM's bussed partner.

Vote: HRez

[Plum]

Okay.. HRezs is scum. AlmasterGM's bussed partner.

Vote: HRez

Very very probably false, given what we know.

Failscum though, you.

VOTE: KK

[Baby Spice]

Exe.

It's not just that they posted the same thought, that Wraith was scum for not wanting to break the game.
It's that it's a weird thought and they posted it so close together but not in a "me too" way.
That AGM turns out to be scum, and that Friend is fairly scummy makes it look real bad for MoI in my opinion.

Also, They've hardly mentioned each other. In fact the only real negative thing said about any of them by any of them is MoI about Friend, and that's so soft it's not funny.

I’m certainly not going to give [Toog] the “stupid Town” get-out-of-jail free card like Friend.

Normally that's a null thing, but in a game with traitors, and knowing that someone (with daytalk according to the wiki) has given your name out to others, I can see a scum team being wary of bussing. These three have gone out of their way to not attack each other.


Add in Toog's first day strike on MoI and ABR's reaction to it for some more weirdness.
Indeed, the IC are a more traditional scum group and are probably far more comfortable bussing each other, and Toog, MoI, and ABR do have goes at each other.

[Toogeloo]

Toog/SC/KK is my most likely scum team.

I'm really sold on SC scum.

Yes... the people who have wanted me dead since Day 1 are on my scum team. /rolleyes.

StrangerCoug has made it his personal mission to try and either have me beaten to death or shot every day.


I would like to see this empirical evidence to support the notion though.

Cause Bussing isn't possible right?

Notice that you've never really been run up or struck.

AGM was tunnelling the fuck out of me.

If you're connecting a scum team with he and I, you're delusional.

lol...

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes we saw that too Toogeloo, don't be a jackass

[Toogeloo]

IF ABR is actually Gang Leader of the Night Riders, I will be V/LA in Vegas for the next week.

I forgot to mention... I guess I won't be going to Vegas.

[Kast]

Everyone PLEASE no striking until we get consensus lynch (and block) targets.

With 17 alive,

LYNCHING

takes

11

and

BLOCKING

takes

7

.
After DSK kill,

LYNCHING

takes

10

and

BLOCKING

takes

7

.

In this case, it's not worthwhile to aim for the Lynch & Block, UNLESS the DSK kills someone while we are at 9 or less strikes on the Lynch candidate. If you're a townie and you are the target of the Lynch; at least make yourself useful and strike the block target (presumably the runner up).

@Scums-
Nice, keep shooting like that.

@DSK-
Follow the lead and kill more scum please! (I'm wondering if the DSK's kill is limited...e.g. can only be submitted after x strikes placed or after a player is at L-1 strikes,...)

@LLD/SC-
Looks like distancing/bussing. I'm okay with either one's lynch today. However, I'd actually prefer a Friend lynch to either of them with one of them (LLD prolly) getting potentially blocked (even better if DSK shoots SC).
VOTE: Friend

@Hrezs-
Did you use your power last night? If so, who did you target and why? (Obviously his *target* should only say something if it's proof that he's lying scum).

@BS-
Why are you pushing MoI first instead of Friend first? You seem to think MoI is scum as a result of:
(1) Ties with AGM (confirmed scum)
(2) Ties with Friend (scummy player)
It would be prudent to pursue the player who has the same ties to AGM and is himself scummy, no?

@ThAd-
AGM and CKD's opposition to ThAd-wagon highlights an important point: ThAd's play was so extremely scummy and bad for town that ONLY the scum GFs opposed the lynch (plus Camn who opposed ANY lynch). They probably felt safe doing so since they might draw a cop if ThAd flipped scum. LLD sort of opposed it (the exchange with ABR and inexplicable reluctance to strike until hammer was inconsistent with her previous statement of preference for ThAd over any viable alternative).

@Current Reads-
Spoilers added for people with changed or updated placement/notes.

Will Not Lynch:

Kast

Beats No Lynch:

Spoiler: Kise

Unremarkable. Feels very under the radar, so I read his iso and he's a solid neutral (notably he doesn't look like a scum-lurker).

Spoiler: MoI

The continued D2 pressure on Toog feels disproportionate to Toog's actual posts/scumminess. Later game, it will be important to revisit if MoI is wasting time/focus on VI-Toog

Kage
Exe
Magua
BL

Spoiler: Hrezs

He was still scummy, but the claim that security guards are limited is enough of a risk that he gets a pass for early game. He better have a good claim though (and better not sit the whole game without using his PR).

Acceptable Lynch:

Panda
ABR

Spoiler: Camn

Strongly considered moving her down to the Preferred Lynch category. The guys below are just that much scummier without as much careless/VI excuse/explanation.

Spoiler: Plum

Her catchup reads like what I'd expect from Plum-town. I'm weighing this against some pretty unusual posts prior to her catchup, and considering the possibility that the catchup was an attempt to look more townie.

Spoiler: BS

This move isn't so much from being more scummy, as it is from being more likely to do something anti-town

Preferred Lynch:

Spoiler: Friend

He's been scummy. He got pressure and disappeared. This scum is lurking for self-preservation.

Spoiler: LLD

I don't have past experience with LLD, but she's definitely not living up to my expectations given the comments made in early game. Irrational, inconsistent, and scummy.

Spoiler: SC

His LLD *case* is hardly one. She is scummy, but he's clearly and obviously OMGUSing. The two are probably scum on the same team and LLD figured out that SC is the IC part of her team.

Spoiler: KK

Concerns from before remain and continue from yesterday. Coming in to push AGar today and then swapping to Hrezs looks like he's not genuinely hunting scum

[Magua]

I agree with ABR on one thing: It's too much of a coincidence for each of the gang leaders to have shot eachother. The Inner Circle *very* much wants to be able to control the nightkills of the gangs.

@The scum:

I believe that the IC would not be so ballsy as to say, "AlmasterGM, shoot curiouskarmadog" while simultaenously saying "curiouskarmadog, shoot AlmasterGM." But I *do* believe that one of AlmasterGM/curiouskarmadog had the idea to shoot the other all-on-their-own, and the IC, realizing what this means, had someone in the *other* gang heavily suggest/push the other gang leader. So please, scum, go back and look at your nighttalk. If AlmasterGM or curiouskarmadog set out and said, "I'm shooting Other Guy," by all means, ignore this. But if someone *else* in your gang brought it up, especially if it was brought up more than 24 hours into the night...well, then, I believe you're looking at an Inner Circle member. And they don't win with you. And you should bus the everloving shit out of them.

I don't think that Hrezs is scum, given the claim yesterday. To be scum, he'd either be the best scum evar or the worst scum evar, and I don't think he's either.

I like AGar as curiouskarmadog's scummate.

vote: AGar

And what, pray tell, made you think this? I'm curious.

Camn is my preferred lynch today: VOTE: Camn

[ReaperCharlie]

It appears Friend has flaked the site; he hasn't posted anywhere for about five days. There was no notice of V/LA.

Xalxe is next on the replacements list. Stand by.

[KageLord]

@DSK-
Follow the lead and kill more scum please! (I'm wondering if the DSK's kill is limited...e.g. can only be submitted after x strikes placed or after a player is at L-1 strikes,...)

I doubt it's like that. It would be a great disadvantage to the DSK, considering players aren't on 24-7 and the DSK could thus easily miss their kill opportunity if that were true. I miiiiight be able to believe that the kill is only revealed at L-2 or L-1 though.

@Hrezs-
Did you use your power last night? If so, who did you target and why? (Obviously his *target* should only say something if it's proof that he's lying scum).

I'm just separating this out of Kast's post so we don't miss it.

Out of AGM's ISO, all I see is that LLD and I were by far his top suspects and that he attacked myself and Hrezs early for attacking Toog. Given that I already had Toog as one of my top 5 scumreads, I could certainly believe Toog as a Night Rider.

______________________________

Reads in descending order:

Prob Town

:

Magua
Kast
KK

Scum

:

ABR
Friend
Toog
MoI

[Albert B. Rampage]

We must decide, as a group, that we are only going to strike one of two people today.

[MagnaofIllusion]

CKD is an easy read as scum. I’m hardly surprised he flipped Mafia at all.

VOTE: Camn. Nothing has changed from yesterday.

Toog (more complete lack of scum-hunting), LLD (gut based on her posts), KK (see below)

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AGM and CKD flipping scum means that it is very likely that the players they were pushing for to die are not of their faction. Yes, I’m ruling out bussing at this stage. With a Daykiller, possible cross-kills and a protective Town PR contingents floating about there is little reason to actively go after one of your own, even if they are the possibly the Inner Circle mole.

Those AGM was pressing (unlikely Night Riders)

– Wraith, Kagelord, Hrezs, LLD,

Those CKD was pressing (unlikely Skull Crushers)

- Exe, ODM (now Kast ), Kagelord, MoI

Low and behold we have a commonality – Kagelord. Any going after him in the immediate future is claiming scum. He possibly is the DayKiller or the Town Inner Circle but he’s not SK or NR.

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When I started playing here the first time, I learned a tell from Amished.
When people express similar ideas really quickly like those three quotes, then chances are there's scum there

Lulz. Your tell is that scum actively seek to post similar ideas in rapid succession so as to be easily identifiable?

Insert face-palm pic here …

--

Cause Bussing isn't possible right?

Are you going to argue it is likely? Please make that coherent argument because I don’t see it as happening early in this game at all given what we know about the set-up.

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I like AGar as curiouskarmadog's scummate.

Hello scum. He’s been dead for over a Day. What did you do, take a quick spin at CKD’s ISO and grab the first name you felt he was defending?

I'm kicking myself for not striking you yesterday instead of scummy but town ThAd.

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(I'm wondering if the DSK's kill is limited...e.g. can only be submitted after x strikes placed or after a player is at L-1 strikes,...)

More likely mechanic is that the Day-killer’s action can be submitted to go off at a time of their choosing … such as when a player reaches L-1. Just my gut on the subject.

[Toogeloo]

Day Killer is assuredly just making sure that whomever he kills isn't going to be lynched anyways. Counter-productive to kill someone who will die anyways. He could kill before strikes are made, but once strikes start flying he is better off waiting until a death almost assured.

I'm also gonna strike now...

Strike: Prince Albert B. Rampage in a Can

[Albert B. Rampage]

Alright FUCK you.

Strike: Toogeloo

THIS ENDS TONIGHT BITCH.

[Toogeloo]

tonight... metaphorically speaking I assume...