Bloodbath in Camden - Game Over!

[CooLDoG]

4 day deadlines right? That should be enoguh to make it a theme game in anyway.

vote: king

scrutiny of votes isn't good.

[CooLDoG]

clarification, scrutiny of votes this early isn't good.

Also I like to give a disclaimer for this. This is a game where I'm trying to improve my play. I'm doing this because the general perception of me is a dick-assed VI. I'm trying to change that. I say this so you won't get too mad at me if I fall on my face trying something new.

[CooLDoG]

I actually think slaxx is the strongest town read. and + points for having what appears to be a Matt Daemon (spelling?) avatar...

Damn holy fuck, what happened on page 1?

King screams scum it with his omgus vote and earlier posts, and toogelo defends him? What the fuck is wrong with scum players these days, are they incapable of knowing how to play?

@toog, why did you defend king?
@king, why do you need reasons for a random vote? honestly?

[CooLDoG]

Conclusions from the last 2 posts:
1) if king is scum toogy is too.
2)King doesn't know the meaning of rvs.

@king, what reasons would you consider to be valid for an rvs vote? Are those reasons really that meaningful? And are they more meaningful then not giving reasons at all?
Don't you also think that you are taking what I said to absurd extremes? Remember I gave a clarification stating that there is no point

this

early in the game. And also are my reasons for voting you any less legitimate (possibly more) then any other reasons in rvs?

[CooLDoG]

Conclusions from the last 2 posts:
1) if king is scum toogy is too.
2)King doesn't know the meaning of rvs.

@king, what reasons would you consider to be valid for an rvs vote? Are those reasons really that meaningful? And are they more meaningful then not giving reasons at all?
Don't you also think that you are taking what I said to absurd extremes? Remember I gave a clarification stating that there is no point

this

early in the game.

And also are my reasons for voting you any less legitimate (possibly more) then any other reasons in rvs?

So you are saying that your statement of "King screams scum it with his omgus vote and earlier posts, and toogelo defends him? What the fuck is wrong with scum players these days, are they incapable of knowing how to play?" was part of an RVS vote? It clearly was not.

Any reason that is obviously random would be a valid RVS vote, and we would get at least a bit of information out of it. Giving no reasons gives absolutely no information, not even any help in determining if somebody is voting for actually thinking somebody is scum or just for RVS.

Absurd extremes? What did I take to any extreme?

Unvote
Vote: CooLDoG

1)King you really know how to misrepresent someone. Once I voted you I was out of rvs, me saying you omgused is my reasons to get out of rvs voting and vote for you.
2)So building up a wagon with more then a "random" ammount of players is bad. Because their reasons aren't truly random. And how do you know that those people didn't roll the dice at home and come up with your number?
3)What useful information will you gain from rvs reasons?
4)and, Could you determine soly of off rvs vote reasons if someone is scum or town? As you imply.
5)Absurd extremes= when I say you can't scrutinize a vote "this early in the game" and you come back and say, hay you are the guy who doesn't want to look at votes!

@toogy, do you understand the meaning of the word meaningful? Because you putting pressure on those players isn't meaningful and it doesn't really help the town. If anything else your posts are anti-town.

@GI, I'm trying a slightly different posting style from my other improvement game (on going). I'm trying to find what works best right now. Also My greatest fear was that I would get popped with a scum role and that would have been horrible.

[CooLDoG]

I'm here, and I've read so far.

fiurst to the most pressing matter:

GI: In this game I'm trying a different posting strategy as compared to my other game. I won't play for a lose or not give 100% if I drew scum. However, I do agree that it is better for me to improve on town games.

Lady: I read a slight defense of king in her posts. Just a general vibe I get. I also don't like how the bob wagon built up so quick, but then again being 4 day deadlines means things happen quicker so I'm not sure how legitimate that is...

I'm gonna keep my vote on king until he posts again and then I might consider voting someone else. I also get the furc argument, would be worth reading more into.

[CooLDoG]

what is your opinion on bob?

An okay lynch. I just don't like how it started. His refutation has to be the single worst post I have seen in a long time. I would vote for him if it came to deadline, but I think furc/king are better lynches.

[CooLDoG]

damn it stop ninjaing peoples...

@ice, I'm not as stupid as people think, I'm not hammering.

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also at king, my vote wasn't an rvs vote. You don't seem to get that.

[CooLDoG]

Wait a second, is the furc case based off of only two of his posts? I got the impression that it was well thought out. Regardless furc needs to post more.

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@lady, yes you could say so. I read some posts that other people made and they seemed to make half-way decent points. I thought it was worth looking into and thus I pulled up an iso of furc and found he had only made 2 posts.

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I'm gonna re-read king in iso.

One thing I find rather funny in the bob wagon is that no one has hammered him yet. He has been dangling near l-1 fr some time now.

damn you guys to ninja hell what ever that might be.

[CooLDoG]

my vote stays on king. Blatantly misrep's me and still hasn't really given a satisfactory answer to why he demands a reason for an rvs vote.

[CooLDoG]

Also depending on how (if) bob flips I slightly suspect ladylambddelta...

[CooLDoG]

He flips town I'm voting you tomorrow. I just don't like how the wagon started and then everybody flocking to what ladylabda says is a good lynch. Don't get me wrong I don't like bob's play ether but there is a difference between stupid as hell scum and stupid as hell town. I admit its part (mostly) gut, but gut reads can be correct.

[CooLDoG]

I have a question, what does all this talking about alts help the town? Really?

[CooLDoG]

I would vote for you based off of the fact that everybody sheeps you. Of course this could be because you are a very good player and might possibly be very town. But I just have a gut impulse that pings you as scum. And why do you suspect me if bobby flips town?

Me=wierd has posted in another game, he is lurking.

[CooLDoG]

people who haven't posted in 24 hours:
Me=Weird
Furcolow
Shattered Viewpoint

[CooLDoG]

whatthefuckninjahammerwhathefuckwasthatexeyouhavetobethemoststupidplayerihaveseensencemyselfgtfoandgohomebeforeyougetfrigginviged!

[CooLDoG]

Exe/lady are now my two options. I read exe as coming into the thread and reading it and seeing bob at l-1. He makes a post that tries to cover up his hammer. I don't like how it reads ether.

[CooLDoG]

Exe.

Why?

[CooLDoG]

@king, I said specifically that my vote was based off of you omgusing. That isn't an rvs reason. I don't want to talk to you because exe is a much better target right now.

[CooLDoG]

Also exe, in the top of your post you seem to say that you didn't know it was l-1 in the bottom you seem to know its l-1 which is it?

[CooLDoG]

lets just face it exe is ether really really stupid town or scum trying to wiggle out.

[CooLDoG]

vig shots should go to exe.

unvote: vote: exe (for d-2)

[CooLDoG]

Sorry for not posting! I will have a good post later today when I have time to read the game.

[CooLDoG]

okay, I'm catching up so expect a list of reads. In this game I'm not posting in walls so you will get just my full read spectrum with a reason attached. This is part of one of my "improvement experiments" SO naturally if you hate the way it looks/turns out tell me so I don't do it again...

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I'm gonna take the time to format this sucker real nice... Here it is:

Format is:

[Player name]

[Reasons for read]
note: lurkers are considered null. I would like some pressure but You can't form a read if someone hasn't posted.

Strong town:

Slaxx

Reasons: Scum hunting machine. Need I say more?

Town

Hiraki

Reasons: Scumhunting well, if a bit over zealous at times.

Leaning town

The Longing

Reasons: Is actually posting content. Not enough to fully submit a town read though.

Neutral

tclawren

Reasons: Not much to go by so this is null. However some good catch up, but Doesn't explain reads very well. I don't like how he leaves my connection with king unanswered.

Tajo

REasons, apart from running a contest that gotme to try to improve my play, tajo hasn't done much. Some of his (few) posts are okay but not much better then that. He is worth a pressure.

Grey Ice

Reasons: damn it, he is too hard to read. Possibly later (with isos when I have more time) something will be reviled to me about ice. For now I must tack him on as null.

ME=wierd
Viewpoint

reasons: both are lurkers.

Leaning scum

King

Reasons: Where to begin with king? My read on him is complex, and I'm going to try to describe it as simply as possible. King's posts aren't good. His "walls" or "cases" only consist of one liners that aren't very meaningful. I get the general impression of forced play to look town (I hope you follow ). His posts aren't very meaningful and don't have much content put in them... He is to say the least hard to read and my brain hurts thinking about it any more.

Lady lambda

Reasons: As I said before today I didn't like how she started the bob wagon. This is compounded by here saying that exe was obv scum right after night ended (gloating?). I also don't like here unvote of toogy.

Scum

Furc

Reasons: admitting to wanting to stay low in d-1. Also lurky lurky, and not much content posty...(read it out loud it sounds better ). Also pushes an omgus that is so clearly not... People should stop using this (I'm gulty of it too...).

Toogy

Reasons: Simply put I don't like his posts. He doesn't take the pressure well. He seems to be over excited, almost to the point of giddiness. Also to note he did misrepresent grayice.

Lynch me now

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vote:furc

For reasons above and because it has a higher probability of going to lynch atm.

[CooLDoG]

Shoot, I forgot to put "no one" under lynch me now.

[CooLDoG]

What do you make of Grey's fur vote and Tojo's jump off of Exe LL? Same question to CooL.

Grey's fur vote is okay, I personally read null. Tojo's exe come off is worth looking into. I find that specific unvote interesting, but as I said he hadn't posted enough at that point for me to make a read, however that appears to have changed... (I'm typing this as I go, I have found this helpful in a different game)

@king, quote my post saying

explicitly

that my vote on you is rvs. And I mean my words=I voted for king for rvs reasons.

okay, on to tajo, I don't like how he pushes for a lynch without giving reasons until he is pressured. I also don't like how he drags out responding to the exe point or tries to avoid it. I have found that town are more willing to come forward and admit to what they did. Scum on the other hand try to ether drag out an argument in the hopes its forgotten or they answer and deny that they ever did it. Also very relevant quote that I like:

Scum today: Longing.

Why.

ANd after that we get the content train a moving. I know this may sound bad but what is the general meta on tajo? Does he usually do this? Because before his case (which is arguably quite good. I'm actually feeling slightly persuaded [if that is spelled wrong deal with it]) his posts were really bad. I'm gonna leave him as null for now, pending re-reading tomorrow.

Tempted to vote king for lieing about my rvs vote, and joining the band wagon. But, I want furc to post before I change my vote.

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my case on the longing is awesome

and what do you guys do?

vote king?

so yeah fuck my case

It was extremely obvious that exe was scum vs furc which is apparently obvious to me only. I don't waste time on obvscum.

You know how I feel now pushing a furc case but Im not giving up

Bad posting here mate. If it was so obvious why didn't you push hard for it so you could bag scum for sure?

Also, before my brain goes dead, @ICE, no its not about that fucking game. That has to be the single worst game in the history of ever. No, its jest you are hard to read. My brain hurts thinking about it. And I have you down as null.

[CooLDoG]

Sorry I'm scum, so I have to go for the easy lynch.

ALso, this isn't funny. I hate jokes in mafia. I have said that many times, and I have yet to find a case when a joke in mafia is funny.

[CooLDoG]

...
@king, quote my post saying

explicitly

that my vote on you is rvs. And I mean my words=I voted for king for rvs reasons.
...
Tempted to vote king for lieing about my rvs vote, and

joining the band wagon

. But, I want furc to post before I change my vote.

Conclusions from the last 2 posts:
1) if king is scum toogy is too.
2)King doesn't know the meaning of rvs.

@king, what reasons would you consider to be valid for an rvs vote? Are those reasons really that meaningful? And are they more meaningful then not giving reasons at all?
Don't you also think that you are taking what I said to absurd extremes? Remember I gave a clarification stating that there is no point

this

early in the game. And also are my reasons for voting you any less legitimate (possibly more) then

any other reasons in rvs?

Right there you say your vote was in RVS.

But you see buddy that isn't me saying its an rvs vote. That's me asking: "How is my vote on you any less valid then an rvs vote" II gave a legitimate reason for my vote when I voted it. My reason was omgus + gutish.

unvote, vote:king

I can't stand people like you.

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Some of tl's recent posts are bad. Pending vote, except we have a fag-ass homo that we have to lynch first:
@king,
Yes, it looks that way in one post, but in my original post I gave a specific reason for voting you that was non-rvs related. What you are doing is basing your accusations off of a vote without actually reading the post where I made the vote. My vote stays. I'm not gonna change it very soon.

[CooLDoG]

I'm really sorry for my post. It's just that king is making me so angry.

@king, okay I was unclear in that post, mind quoting the post where I actually voted you? I think you should refer to that first. Because you said that that was an rvs vote.

@sk/vig, kill king tonight plz and thx.

[CooLDoG]

^why tell people how we catch scum?

[CooLDoG]

^ I call wifom

[CooLDoG]

I was was waiting for someone to come in here and post that. I'm just saying that saying hammer makes you scum in this case isn't necessarily true.

[CooLDoG]

So it wasn't the hammer. I still think we should hear a claim though. I think it has the possibility to give us some (not a lot) information. But then again, he's gonna get the rope anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

edit, slaxx why aren't you willing to hammer now?

[CooLDoG]

ahh, Ice I'm already voteing him. I wouldn't actually hammer, as I said I want a claim.

vote for increased deadline

<- couldn't hurt.

[CooLDoG]

So it wasn't the hammer. I still think we should hear a claim though. I think it has the possibility to give us some (not a lot) information. But then again, he's gonna get the rope anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

edit, slaxx why aren't you willing to hammer now?

ahh, Ice I'm already voteing him. I wouldn't actually hammer, as I said I want a claim.

vote for increased deadline

<- couldn't hurt.

^Scummy posts

Fishing for a hammer, trying not to look like it.

So in my second post when I say I don't want a hammer I actually want a hammer?

[CooLDoG]

I'm here, catching up again. I would have been on sooner if it wasn't for a hail storm.

[CooLDoG]

I'm really sorry for my post. It's just that king is making me so angry.

@king, okay I was unclear in that post, mind quoting the post where I actually voted you? I think you should refer to that first.

Because you said that that was an rvs vote.

@sk/vig, kill king tonight plz and thx.

That is a

Bold-faced Lie

, I said no such thing. This goes against the entirety of my argument with CooLDoG as well, since the very basis of it is that CooLDoG himself claimed the vote was an RVS vote, when it clearly was not.

Vote: Deadline extension

Not claiming till it is actually time to claim, and that trick was kinda lame.

...
@king, quote my post saying

explicitly

that my vote on you is rvs. And I mean my words=I voted for king for rvs reasons.
...
Tempted to vote king for lieing about my rvs vote, and

joining the band wagon

. But, I want furc to post before I change my vote.

Conclusions from the last 2 posts:
1) if king is scum toogy is too.
2)King doesn't know the meaning of rvs.

@king, what reasons would you consider to be valid for an rvs vote? Are those reasons really that meaningful? And are they more meaningful then not giving reasons at all?
Don't you also think that you are taking what I said to absurd extremes? Remember I gave a clarification stating that there is no point

this

early in the game. And also are my reasons for voting you any less legitimate (possibly more) then

any other reasons in rvs?

Right there you say your vote was in RVS.

uhh hello! king, I can't understand what your point is. Lets just set this strait once and for all. I voted for you for real reasons. Why are you attacking me on that?

@tajo, you are so wifom. So the question is: Do we lynch a claimed power role instead of a vanilla townie? It seems to me that if we lynch the vanilla the worst case scenario is that we lynch a vanilla townie. The best is we lynch scum (naturally). If we lynch a power role worst case is we lynch the doc, best case is scum again. However, I do see a town motivation for your posting, because you are concerned about who to lynch.

I think the most productive thing the town can do is to read the game fully through during the night phase. That is what I'm personally going to do when the night hits.

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#1 ice, I'm not homophobic. That was just the first insult I could think of to throw at king because he

was

it making me angry.

@king, so whats your point? Is it that in one post I said my vote wasn't rvs but in every other post about it I said it was a real vote? How does that make me scum? My vote was real. End of story.

@ice, why shouldn't we lynch the scum now? If you are so sure of a lynch why trust a vig shot? He could be an sk after all. Then we would be down a townie for no reason.

[CooLDoG]

damn it, my fail attempt at a witty comment has failed. first line, it should read is....

[CooLDoG]

I have even less reason to believe that King is scum. Scum would not unvote the leading wagon to go off and be the sole vote on another player, and put himself in a tie with the player he just unvoted.


Activity suggests scum is trying to coast to a mislynch imo.

He could be trying to divert the towns attention by voting for someone else.

@king, I fail to see how what I'm saying is scummy. Based off of the reasons you have given.

Toog reeks scum, vig shots, or a wagon tomorrow should go on this guy. I'm tempted to vote him, but king deserves it more right now.

also this:

At this point, I think Furc's flip will provide us with a wealth of information. By comparison, a King flip will give us very little new info.

That's one reason. Not the main one.

The main one is that he's scum.

Don't ever forget that. If you don't think Furc is scum, don't be voting him.

No matter how much information you think you will get, lynching scum is always the most important goal.

Scum>Information.

Good posting. Lets lynch the scum today and then we can gain all the information we want tomorrow. Lynching a scum should always top the list of things to do.

I also don't like how pine is posting, he does seem to want to set-up lynches and seems to be already decided on what his actions will be tomorrow.

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Yes, I have read your posts, but I am slightly generalizing.

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holy fucking shit. No body pmed me that the day started. Catching up...

Mod, do this next time or face my not so potent wrath.

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toogy was bad early on but has made some good posts. LLD I find scummy. I don't like how she hops on wagons, this is mostly my below average gut talking. HI is tonw. Pine is null. Some times I get town vibes, sometimes I get scum...

I know this vote will not go very far... but

vote: lld

I just feel that she needs some pressure...

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Tajo's last few posts are horrible.

@Tajo, Question: If player A posts 2 times a day, and player B posts 1 time a day, by your logic player B is scum because he doesn't post as much, correct? Also why are you going with the flow? Just because everybody wants to lynch furc doesn't mean its the best lynch. If everybody wants to jump off a cliff is that the right decision? Also trying to frame TL as the scummiest player is just wrong. Nothing else to say but,

unvote, vote: tajo

I had you down as nullish (flipping back and forth from town to scum), but now I have made up my mind that you are more likely scum then town.

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SO how does my vote going with the flow refute you going with the flow? It simply means that I did for good reason, while you did it to get town lynched.

[CooLDoG]

Its called a logical fallacy tajo, wikipedia ass holes! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
Also called you-too. You never refuted the point.

[CooLDoG]

Tajo in your next post repond to the point about you going with the flow. Thanks.

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Re: Furc vote. Its not a weak vote.

We were locked with a lot of people wanting to lynch Furc,

with an impeding deadline and HE HADNT EVEN CLAIMED.

What is the logical step? Dont do anything? Yeah, sounds like something scum would do when you know the top wagon is on town. Bpnus points because he could be a PR.

SO you weren't going with the flow, but you were going with the flow? Also I can't respond if you argue that the sky is green, it just ain't happening.

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tajo, its called fucking role fishing. Moving on.

[CooLDoG]

bad vote count, but who cares.

unvote, vote populartajo

[CooLDoG]

Read the flavor closely.

It keeps referring to that unnamed gang member as "he".

You don't think Parama would be someone to make that kind of slip, would he?

Besides that... I think it's time to look back at all the scum who are dead and see if we can't connect a few dots.

Trying to clear ourselves aren't we? I have suspected you the entire game, and this post secures my suspicions.

vote: Lady Lambdadelta

I got ninjad by a llama. Is that a bad omen?

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shit, I forgot to post v/la in here.

v/la for the rest of today and tomorrow, thus I will be back on Tuesday morning

Something of interest just happened. I looked at the clock to see if I had enough time to read over the few new pages that I hadn't read. At the very instant that I pressed the button (open this link in new tab) a thunder struck (Correct verbiage?) that rattled the windows. Thus, because this can be nothing but a bad omen, I will not be posting about the pages that I haven't read.

[CooLDoG]

I knew something was bad, I forgot my bold tags.

v/la for the rest of today and tomorrow, thus I will be back on Tuesday morning

Have a nice day!

[CooLDoG]

Honestly guys, I posted v/la in another game that I'm currently in. You can check it out but I'm not linking to it. I'm not particularly religious or anything but I do spend time with my family on Easter, its a tradition. If I'm reading the vote posts correctly it seems that me going v/la is the only reason for the votes, I can't defend the date of a holiday, so unless you get an actual case on me I won't be able to defend myself... Also Gray has my mafia skills perfectly pin pointed, That's why I'm trying to improve....

I have always suspected toog from early game, but I'm more inclined to go for one of my stronger reads

unvote, vote: ladylambda

I don't like how she hops on my and Box's wagon. And that her cases are horrible.

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Yes bob=bobs,
You are hoping on what you feel is an easy lynch without giving a case or any reasons other then : Hugha Hugah he went on v/la during a holiday, dis is the most scummy ever,

vote: cooldog, scums!

unvote, vote: lady lambdadelta

[CooLDoG]

also was it a scum slip if he flipped town?

[CooLDoG]

Yes and I came back in my other game as well, and I also came back when I said I would in my v/la post. Also 1 vote =/= people suspecting me. Also almost no content was created while I was gone, so what would I have said even if I was here?

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Seriously, I gotta give props to CoolDog (and Toog in the later game, but even HE didn't VOTE me.)

Only one who ever voiced suspicion of me, only one who ever voted me.

He's still gotta learn how to make better cases though.

Okay, for my own benefit I want some criticism of my play. The above is good and I will start working on doing that.
I don't care how bad yuo comments are you can call my play shit for all I care. I just need input.

also, I caught da scums! IF LLD had flipped scum I would have gone over to grey and asked him about his buddy...

[CooLDoG]

^great info thanks. Also why are you stalking me? It will be three games in a row that I have played with you (I'm in that mini normal you replaced into).