Execution Mafia GAMEOVER!

[Amrun]

Yes... Deputy/cop, nurse/doctor is normal and doesn't mean there is a scum counterpart of every role.

[Tragedy]

Well, other than the 'town doublevoter' and 'town executioner', no?

[Amrun]

What do you mean by that question?

[Tragedy]

The 'town doublevoter' would be linked to the SCUMS, who have DOUBLEVOTING Powers in the NIGHT.
The 'town executioner', would most likely be the issue with the Night Executioner, whom actually is full of bullshit and can possibly mostly be scum because of their doublevoting-night powers, to work in the day to automatically kill somebody in the Day before an actual executinoer is picked-zors.

So, I get the vibes that Ant and Exe aren't LYING here.
It's three of you four people, Haschel, Amrun, charter and Setael, that are SCUM.

[Tragedy]

Ant, please, if you hate my shitty game analysis speculahs, at least execute either Haschel, Amrun, charter or Setael, and we'll be getting SOME results here.

[Exe]

Based on Nurse/Deputy Claims/FF Flip, there's linked roles in this game.
If, by chance, Mafia has Double Votes, then a Town member would possibly have Double votes as well.
Executioner would be an alternative Executor.. Hmm...

Scumbuddies?

Anti-town speculation is anti-town. Stop trying to outguess the mod.

Does anyone else realize that Tragedy is trying to mess with our heads before we kill her?

[Tragedy]

Well, Exe.
What made you change your wanting to lynch Amrun, other than me being the reason?

[Twistedspoon]

That's about the worst fakeclaim I've ever heard. Telling us something we already know, and playing off a dead PR.

it's my role; don't blame me

and aren't you the one who's refusing to claim anyways?

right now we should either massclaim; as exe suggested

or

execute tragedy; I'm cool with that

[charter]

That's about the worst fakeclaim I've ever heard. Telling us something we already know, and playing off a dead PR.

it's my role; don't blame me

and aren't you the one who's refusing to claim anyways?

right now we should either massclaim; as exe suggested

or

execute tragedy; I'm cool with that

Did you breadcrumb at all?

[charter]

No. You didn't. Even after your role had lost all usefulness, you didn't once even hint that Umbrage was town in the event you died. Clearly you just made this claim up today when your name came up for lynching.

[charter]

To recap, we have TS and Exe fakeclaiming.

[Amrun]

I gave reasons all day yesterday for Umbrage being scum. Amrun is obvious. And I gave a reason for you being obv scum, derailing the Umbrage kill to get SV killed.

I've explained this

I didn't de-rail umbrage, I anted a majority. Any one of 7 votes could have chosen Umbrage over SV. I didn't tell them to pick SV, I wanted a majority, I didn't care on whom.

Besides, it was Setael who made the big case on SV that persuaded everyone.

oh, and if Umbrage flips town, then your case on me collapses like a pyramid of cards in a typhoon

Charter, I actually think TS did breadcumb Umbrage a couple of times, like the bolded part of this post I quoted.

He could have defended Umbrage more, but you have to take into account the fact that Umbrage never came under enough pressure to be in imminent danger of any sort of execution. Umbrage was modkilled.

Without significant pressure, I don't think lack of defense is a reliable tell in this case. Why reveal unless Umbrage was effectively at L-1, which he never was, iirc?

So for now, I'm inclined to believe the claim.

Charter's pretty quick to try and discredit it, though.

[mallowgeno]

Deadline is in four days

[Twistedspoon]

indeed, it would have looked rather scummy had i defended an Umbrage who wasn't under much pressure

and why hasn't our friend charter claimed yet? He's crawled out of that one

[Twistedspoon]

deadline is in 4 days. I'm down for a tragedy kill

[Tragedy]

I'm still down for an Amrun kill. TS, don't go scummy on us now.

[charter]

Charter, I actually think TS did breadcumb Umbrage a couple of times, like the bolded part of this post I quoted.

That's not a breadcrumb at all. That was stating obvious fact since a large part of my case on him was him being Umbrage's buddy. He should have just made a small unsupported statement in the even he was killed so we would have known this. He didn't try and leave us the info because he clearly didn't have it.

[Amrun]

It's not as strong as it could be, charter, I agree, but it's also not completely NOT THERE.

[charter]

For example, if TS had then died, no one would have had any clue that he knew Umbrage was town. No one would know because TS didn't leave any clues.

[Amrun]

Which is to say that I'm not totally convinced on the claim, but I'm not going automatically to fakeclaim.

p-edit: I know what you're saying, and I agree that if TS is telling the truth, he didn't play optimally, but we have to face the fact that not everyone plays optimally.

Also, kills are pretty predictable in this game. It's not quite like a normal game. So I can see TS not going out of the way to make a comment that would stick out without pressure on him.

[charter]

Well, such suboptimal play, combined with the extremely opportunistic timing of the claim and the claim itself being extremely opportunistic and it becomes very scummy.

What do you think someone in his shoes who is scum would do? I imagine it's pretty close to what TS is doing right now.

[Twistedspoon]

For example, if TS had then died, no one would have had any clue that he knew Umbrage was town. No one would know because TS didn't leave any clues.

why would I have died though?

I would have claimed if i was at risk of execution, and at the time i had no idea that the mafia had a night-kill (and even now we cannot prove that exe didn't kill ff)

there was no need for me to claim so i didn't
that's all there is to it

[charter]

You didn't need to claim. You could have made some small statement buried in a large post that no one would have seen saying Umbrage is town. That way if you died at night, when clearly what we want to happen does not happen, we would have known. Then, if you died, we could have gone through your posts and seen that statement and be like "hmmm, it's likely Vezok investigated Umbrage, and here is this gold nugget. Looks like Umbrage is town".

Saying why would you have died is a poor defense. Why did Vezok die? Why did FF die? Because the town agreed on it.... no wait.

[Amrun]

Town technically did agree on vezok by voting for me. Just to be clear.

Also, saying that the "timing" of TS' claim is opportunistic is blatantly false. He was told to claim under threat of death.

But meh. Not enough to save from a kill for me, I suppose. It's making me doubt a little, though.

[Tragedy]

No. Town technically agreed to vote for you, Amrun, since we wanted to have 'no-kill', but you thought vezok was pretty scummy and executed him. Don't lie here.