Open 293 - Donner Party Mafia, Take Two (Game Over)

[chesskid3]

So much for perfect vig then eh?

[DeathRowKitty]

Scum can't no kill. Let's say we lynch ani today and he's town, you kill a townie, and I roleblock a townie. Scum no kill. That brings it down to 6 players. We lynch the framed townie, bringing it down to 5 players, with me and you confirmed. I roleblock an unconfirmed, you vig an unconfirmed. One of us gets killed (you, presumably). That brings it down to 3p...one of which is me and one of which is the townie I just confirmed. gg If scum skip a second kill, that brings us into 4p with me, you, the townie I just "cleared", and another unconfirmed. I block one unconfirmed, you kill the other, gg.

that makes sense

so have we won then?

If so you won't mind (nor will you chess) If i vig chesskid tonight eh?

It's possible for scum to win, but pretty damned hard at this point.

In order for scum to win, as far as I can tell, both of us have to be wrong every night and scum have to get into a 4 player endgame with 2 players confirmed. Take into account the fact that scum have no control over their kills (they almost have to use their two remaining kills on us) and we can basically handpick the final players (assuming we don't hit scum in doing so, of course).

[Twistedspoon]

So much for perfect vig then eh?

no, that's exactly it

I'm viging you tonight instead of lynching you today to become the perfect vig

[chesskid3]

can we lynch DH today then?

[chesskid3]

So much for perfect vig then eh?

no, that's exactly it

I'm viging you tonight instead of lynching you today to become the perfect vig

[Twistedspoon]

can we lynch Andrew today then?

FTFY

[chesskid3]

why the hell would we lynch andrew?

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: Andrew

If you want a reason other than DRK's plan, I'll tell you that his play in masons and monks (where he was scum) is very similar to his play this game

[Twistedspoon]

why the hell would we lynch andrew?

same for DH

and he's a lylo hazard anyways

[chesskid3]

Vote: DH

this is me ignoring you

[DeathRowKitty]

Okay, I'm going to break down the possibilities here:

Spoiler: Possible Game Paths

Just to keep things simple, I'm going to label the player list generically.

vig
roleblocker
A
B
C
D
E
F

Let's say we lynch from the bottom of this lynch. That means F dies today, leaving us with the two of us, A, B, C, D, and E. Scum can't no kill, so they have two choices: kill you or kill me (or kill someone else, but that just screws them over later). Let's start with the path where they kill you. So you kill E, who turns out to be a townie and I block D, who is also a townie. Player list going into day 4 looks like this:

roleblocker
A
B
C
D (clear)

We lynch C, who turns out to be a townie, and I plan to roleblock B, leaving the following going into night:

roleblocker
A
B (being blocked)
D (clear)

I can't be killed here. If I am, A is automatically scum. In fact, if anyone dies, A is automatically scum, so scum will no kill here ad infinitum, leaving us with a 4p involving myself, A, B, and a clear D. The thing to note in this situation is that, of the 4 kills that have occurred up to this point, only one was controlled by scum (two were lynches and one was a vig kill). The one kill that was controlled by scum was on you (so not on a valid suspect). The point here is that, in this scenario, we get to handpick 2 players we want to take into the final day, along with one scummy player that's been cleared by a roleblock.


The other possibility is if scum kill me tonight:

vig
A
B
C
D (clear)

In this case, you lynch a player. Let's say it's C and he's a townie. You then go into night with

vig
A
B
D (clear)

and you're left with your choice of vig shot from A and B. As in the last example, only one kill was controlled by scum and it was on me (so not on a valid suspect). Basically, as in the last example, we just need to pick out one town player and leave him alive and it's game over.

tl;dr: We just need to not be idiots here.

[DeathRowKitty]

So we need to pick out 2 lynches, a vig shot, and a roleblock target There will be one additional lynch/vig shot after that. If any of those 5 actions are on scum, we win (and we only have 6 choices).

[Magua]

Vote Count 3.1

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

DemonHybrid (2): andrew94, chesskid3

animorpherv1 (1): DeathRowKitty
chesskid3 (1): animorpherv1
andrew94 (1): Twistedspoon

Not voting (3): DemonHybrid, MagnaofIllusion, TheJakalope

Deadline is April 25th, 2011, at 1:26am EST (site time). A countdown to the deadline is here.

[chesskid3]

I'm ok with MoI as sole survivor compromise.

[DeathRowKitty]

^ still town

[Twistedspoon]

what, for saying MoI is town?

you shall see, my fine feathered friend

[chesskid3]

^ tell that to Twisted

PEDIT: screw you ninja

[Twistedspoon]

eh

I hate it when my alignment means I have to eat a player that I have no problems with other than his role

but you do look tasty

[DeathRowKitty]

what, for saying MoI is town?

you shall see, my fine feathered friend

Basically, the way the game will play out, all we need to do is choose one town player and never action or lynch them and we can't lose. He basically just voted for MoI to be that player.

I'm fine with chesskid not being that sole survivor, but I would prefer to block him tonight if anything tbh. I would rather have him around in an important potential late-game situation as confirmed town than....some of our other options.

[Twistedspoon]

I would rather have him around in an important potential late-game situation as confirmed town than....some of our other options.

and singersinger was a very good, clever player to have in LyLo situations too

but that didn't stop her having a scum role

[chesskid3]

[DeathRowKitty]

I would rather have him around in an important potential late-game situation as confirmed town than....some of our other options.

and singersinger was a very good, clever player to have in LyLo situations too

but that didn't stop her having a scum role

If we choose to block him tonight and there's no kill, he's confirmed as scum (or if scum no killed, someone else will be confirmed as scum the next day). If there's a kill, he'll be confirmed town in a potential mylo situation.

[Twistedspoon]

i feel safer just vig'ing him tbh

[chesskid3]

because chesskid has a silver tongue and can talk his way out of being rbed on a night there is no kill yes

CHESSKID IS THE DEVIL

[DeathRowKitty]

i feel safer just vig'ing him tbh

I know you want a perfect vigging record but...take one for the team? :s

I mean, we can have DH as the confirmed player instead if you want. The best use of our roleblock right now is to block a player we don't agree on as town that would be an asset if he turns out to be town. Don't lose sight of that.