Open 300 - Mafia on Midol (Town Wins!)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

More people should get on the Sudowagon.

[Fate]

^

[Sudo_Nym]

Sorry, Xine wouldn't drink with me, so I had to drink hers and my shares yesterday.

@Sudo - Current read on DH/Nacho slot. Go.
@Socio - You too.

Still scummy, to the point where I'll

vote: Nachomamma

, now that it isn't at L-1. Nachomamma's been alright so far, though, so I reserve the right to change my mind on the basis of goodposting from Nacho.

@Sudo - Don't make me regret calling you town. Do you have

any

suspects yet? And have you exhibited your same strategy here in any past games?

It's not my wont to make you regret anything. And I think I've had a remarked tendency to be more or less like this on Day 1 in every game I've been in. Including real life. I can't link anything right now, though, since it's been a while since I've played on-site, and I'm too hung-over right now to bother searching the archives.

@Sudo

Where do you stand, honestly? Suspicions, thoughts, something? I'd love a vote, but doubt we'll see that, so just give us something to work with?

I've put down a vote, but I've got some other thoughts. I'm not a big fan of the Crazy wagon- I'm not getting a lot of the vitriol aimed there. I'm also a fan of wagoning Zorblag, if only because he said scum would probably try to lurk, and then stopped posting. Granted, he's not the only lurker, but he's the only one that specifically outlined a lynch-lurkers policy. Other than that, of course, there's not much to say about Zorblag.

[Punkin]

Punkin, if I'm not in your top 6 scum reads, then why did you just vote for me?

The short answer: in the early game, I use my vote for info gathering. I'm not going to explain in detail ATM because that would kinda defeat the purpose but, if the scumz let us live through D3, you will see the fruits of my behavior. You are not on our scumlist but you are far from obv-town. If you'd like me to list the points against you, I can, but I'd prefer to just play fast and loose for now.

This Crazy wagon is built on sand and full of horsecrap.

Do not like

You should get on it for a little while anyway. As should PZ. You know the method to my madness, Fate. The more likley you are to be culled early, the more helpful it is for you to sheep us.

FTR, we'd be fine switching our vote to NS if he had enough votes to be a viable alternative.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

@Sudo - Current read on DH/Nacho slot. Go.
@Socio - You too.

Still scummy, to the point where I'll

vote: Nachomamma

, now that it isn't at L-1. Nachomamma's been alright so far, though, so I reserve the right to change my mind on the basis of goodposting from Nacho.

^scum

[Thor665]

I tend to agree.

What *is* the Crazy case? I don't seem to even recall one being proffered and I'm pretty sure Fate asked only a few pages back.

[AGar]

@AGar, my vote on you did serve a purpose as in letting people know where I stand as well as adding more weight to my questions towards you. What did you expect me to do, go all "OMG LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH??" I never had a case for lynching you; I just was suspicious of you so I voted you and questioned you. Is that wrong? Or would you prefer me to hold onto my vote until I'm ready for a lynch like Sudo is doing?

And you're really flip-flopping with your reasons of suspecting me. I mean, make up your mind, did I unvote DH because I was trying to save him from a lynch or did I unvote him because the wagon didn't have enough "traction?"

I'll ask you the same question I asked Oman, though - if I

was

town and thought DH was town, what

should

I have done in that scenario?

First paragraph - Your votes hold no weight, because you put nothing behind them. I ask again - have you gained anything from them? Because it doesn't look like it. I want you to actually put something behind your vote.

Second - I fail to see how I was flip-flopping. I suspect you for a) a weak defense on trying to save DH and b) votehopping around aimlessly since then

Third - Provide a real defense, not "He's acting too damn weird."

As for your question in 323 - He needs to post more, but his post was enough to hold me over until he's off V/LA. I know where he stands, his opinions and his intentions.

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@People Looking for Crazy-case

Also, Crazy vote is for awkward defense of the DH-slot, and now simply wagon hopping without real purpose. Claims to be generating "pressure" but votes seem to be exceedingly casual and hold no meaning, like he's waiting for something to take off.

[Crazy]

As for my reasoning for why I thought DH was town, I posted it already.

If you want to know why I say DH is obvtown, here:

1. His weird "trap" thing reads more like ambitious town than opportunistic scum. Scum would normally find less controversial reasons to suspect someone, as well as be far less likely to openly put themselves in the spotlight that early.
2. An emotional outburst is indeed a town-tell. Town are more likely to get frustrated when they are wagoned than scum are. That doesn't mean you should do it, but it is still a town-tell.
3. While he was being tunneled, his focus was on pointing out scum.
4. And the clincher for me, he claimed VT after he already requested replacement, which would mean if he was scum he ruined any chance for his replacement to fake-claim a power role.

As for my votes...

-Plum vote was RVS.

-DH vote was due to his minor scum-tell in his first post and just to start a wagon to get out of RVS.

-My vote on Sudo was mainly a place-holder because I didn't want to be on the DH wagon since I thought he was town, but I didn't want my vote to go to waste, so I voted Sudo, who looked the scummiest on first glance.

-My vote on you (AGar) was because you smelled fishy so I voted and questioned you to try to figure out more about your alignment. Right now I feel less strongly about you being scum; for now I have about a null read on you, give or take in either direction depending on how I'm feeling. I thought your original vote for DH worked on scum, but your responses to my questions have been pretty good... you're not really backpedaling/making lame excuses/contradicting yourself/etc. The "contradiction" I pointed out earlier was a mistake on my part.

-I voted NS in an attempt to figure him out too... still working on that. It was going to be him or Nikanor, and NS had posted more elsewhere on site.

There are two parts to town play, finding scum, and then lynching scum. I'm still working on the first part. I plan to "hop" my vote around a lot until I think I've found scum. I'm not looking for an easy lynch; if you'll note, I jumped off the DH wagon

before

it crumbled, and I've been off the Sudo wagon for a while, and it's still fairly strong. If it seems I'm "aimless," then perhaps I am, because I'm not sold on a lynch target yet.

[Crazy]

I've been looking at some of Sudo's ISO's in some of his past games. (using Mafiascum Crawls to search.) There's nothing there that suggests this isn't his normal playstyle... the whole "comment on what he feels is worth commenting on," seems to fit more or less.

But I agree that his recent Nacho vote looks bad.

@Sudo - you said a while ago that DH did exhibit some town-tells, though you still found him suspicious. What were the town-tells that you noticed, and why did you still find him suspicious despite them?

[Fate]

Ythill apparently <3s voting obscure targets D1 for nonapparent reasons.

That's his madness, and that's fine.

I don't sheep you, nor do I vote contributors D1.

That's my madness.

[Cyberbob]

crazy/sudo/socio team you heard it here first (cbf checking if this actually is the first)

[Cyberbob]

agar maybe somewhere in the mix too,too early to tell for sure

[Papa Zito]

3rd time trying to post this.

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8
VOTE: Nobody Special

[Fate]

hmmmmm

time to hop, CES?

[Cyberbob]

time to hop, CES?

bad post++

[Fate]

Let me put it this way.

The way you think I"M ruining this for everyone?

That's how I feel NS does with his playstyle of "never post anything ever"

x1000

[Plum]

Damn sorry for not having posted. Should've declared V/LA blah blah blah. Falling off my face and have to be off the computer soon, so promise for my lunch period tomorrow.

[singersigner]

Votecount 1.5

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Punkin (1): Nobody Special
Cyberbob (0):
AGar (1): Zorblag
Nachomamma8 (4): Plum, SocioPath, chkflip, Sudo_Nym
Oman (0):
Papa Zito (0):
SocioPath (0):
Sudo_Nym (5): LlamaFluff, Cyberbob, Thor665, Fate, Cogito Ergo Sum
Zorblag (0):
Thor665 (0):
Plum (0):
Fate (0):
chkflip (1): Nachomamma8
Cogito Ergo Sum (0):
Llamafluff (0):
Nikanor (0):
Crazy (5): Nikanor, AGar, Oman, Punkin, chkflip
Nobody Special (2): Crazy, Papa Zito

Not voting (0):

V/LA: AGar 4/15-4/17

Deadline is April 21st, 2011 at 7pm PST.

[Punkin]

UNVOTE: Crazy
VOTE: NobodySpecial

I don't sheep you, nor do I vote contributors D1.

1/2?

[Fate]

Its not like Sudo's goin anywhere

Unvote:
Vote: Nobody Special

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[LlamaFluff]

Unvote
Vote AGar

Fate if you sheep here I will give you a trial membership in the town alliance.

[Oman]

Who is Punkin btw?

Punkin is a Xine and Ythill hydra.

Holyshitawesome. <3, <3, <3!

Crazy's unvote of DH is super interesting. It makes me think of Crazyscum DH-town (jumping off a wagon like that is an easy way to build major towncred)

What should I have done if I was town and didn't believe in the DH wagon?

The same. Sucks eh? Mafia does that shit. You'd do it differently though, I'm sure. Perhaps with less bravado. I didn't like the way you jumped off it like it was the most obvious thing in the world, when

It's how I'm trying to scum-hunt; my suspicions aren't solid yet and I'm applying pressure to different people to try to figure out their alignment

So here is where I ask: is (s)he actually town or what?

Someone has less posts than I do?
/catchinguplatertonightafterdinner

Why did you choose to talk about puppy training in General Discussion instead of keeping your promise to post after dinner in this game?

Without being a jerk, I hate these posts.

@Oman - You've previously indicated them both Crazy and Sudo aare good lynches. Any reason you're not on the bigger of the two wagons?

As I said, I suspected Sudo was L-1, and it's not lynch time yet. This is actually the post:

Wow, what an exceptionally dragging 12 pages.

Uh...sudo or crazy both good lynches.

Vote: Crazy Cause I suspect sudo is L-1.

[Papa Zito]

Damn

!

I will give you a trial membership in the town alliance.

What's funny about this is I at least see absolutely no reason to see you as town, I can't recall having seen anyone else declaring you town either, and yet you're insisting on running this thing.

As I said, I suspected Sudo was L-1, and it's not lynch time yet.

Sudo's nowhere near L-1. Why hasn't your vote moved?


WHERE IS THE TROLL.

[AGar]

@Crazy

I've said your defense was weak. Your vote on Sudo is what sticks out most - you didn't want to waste your vote, so you just threw it around at who looked scummy at a glance... what? If you didn't want to waste your vote, why didn't you take the time to give things more than a glance? The reasoning also contradicts your whole "I'm voting semi-aimlessly to get reads!" when you admit to just throwing a vote onto a wagon.

What has your vote on Sudo told you about Sudo at all? Because that's major problem I have here - you're saying you're voting to apply pressure/gain reads/figure alignments out, but the only two votes you seem to have produced anything from are the ones on DH and myself, and even the vote on myself is a stretch because you're leaning null.

@CES/Thor/Cyberbob

Why Sudo still?

Pedit: Hey look, it's Zito. Welcome back. :goodposting:

[Thor665]

@CES/Thor/Cyberbob

Why Sudo still?

Um...because up until just a few hours ago when two people unvoted while I wasn't around he was still the biggest wagon and I still find him scummy and want him lynched and was even trying to get Oman onto it? Besides, you're on a wagon with absentee Nikanor and chkflp - it can't be

that

stellar. Also, looking at the other big wagons we have Crazy (who I have a slight town read on) and Nacho who I have a town read on thanks to DH that he is totally not taking advantage of by being awesome and town ). I'm not getting behind either of those terrible things. I'd rather lynch Socio or policy lynch Zorblag or Nikanor than hop on them.

@Llama - Is the AGar case something more than his exactitude (pedanticness?) towards Crazy's gamestyle? Because that's pretty normal AGar play in my experience. It's also not that far distant from why I'm rampaging on Sudo (though at least Crazy chooses to tell his attacker to sod off rather than Sudo's soft sell 'ignore and hope it goes away' method) Also, he's clearly not unique in disliking Crazy's play - what's your read on the rest of the wagon and does that have anything to do with your AGar issues?