Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

[Javert]

Apologies for my "lurking"; life has been busy for me this last week. I am about to head out for the evening, but given the "town imposed deadline" I will Vig somebody either when I get back tonight (which will be late), or sometime tomorrow. I will try to "decide" tonight but Vig tomorrow, since I prefer to sleep on important decisions in case I have a midnight epiphany or gut wrench. As I mentioned earlier, my pool is probably self-restricted to one of {ender241, Twistedspoon, and Me=Weird}, but I cannot promise I will keep my shot in the pool if I happen to catch something when I reread.

[Twistedspoon]

sure thing

[Erratus Apathos]

Ugh. See why i find it hard to play this game. I have townreads on way too many people. IF they all are correct, that would mean NE, EA, and PS is mafia...

Everyone read this quote carefully. Klazam is saying he's figured out the scum via PoE. That would be great from a town point of view! And yet he's moaning about how hard this game is,

while claiming to have the scum figured out D1.

Makes it kinda obvious that his reads are all bullshit.

KLAZAM

IS

SCUM

[Klazam]

I'm not saying that i figured out scum by POE.

I'm saying that i highly doubt that all my town reads is actually town.

[Maxous]

As I mentioned earlier, my pool is probably self-restricted to one of {ender241, Twistedspoon, and Me=Weird},

For what it is worth I would rather that Twistedspoon not be vigged.

I would lean town with Klazam at this stage but I still don't get why he is voting Prosaurus and it is making me a bit concerned.

[farside22]

@Farside: Do you think it is possible Javert has a day vig power and be scum?

No. Not in a normal game at least. I only once seen a day vig be scum and I created the role in a theme game with the stipulation that the mafia could not kill that night. It was an unlimited day vig scum.

Alright, sorry everyone for being away.

Top 3 scum from everyone.

1) Klaz
2) TS
3) EA

EA is actually moving down further towards null where as maxous has gone close from questionable to scummy. That's more gut and things that make me scratch my head a bit.

[Prosaurus]

Javert-

hold off on vigging if your target is me.

Let me make a few posts first. All right?


Everyone- I have been reading the game, but I'm having a hard time actually posting. If you all would prefer it, i can replace out.

My vote on PS is because I find PS scummy, along with his rolefishing, yes.

Right now, I'm really finding it difficult to read EA.

And post Post 361 scream scum to me. Mostly the bold, in 361 he's just failing at scumhunting, like scum are said to do, he's too experienced to be newbtown. I also find it odd how Oso agrees with his reads(Post 369).

@Ender
Hard question. I think EA, Ender(You) and Rhinox could be a scum team, but Klaz is being very scummy as well. I'll wait and see what happens.

[Klazam]

I didnt want to be vigged before i could have some input. Is that so wrong?

And "too experienced": actually, no. I dont have that much experience.

[Oso]

..I also find it odd how Oso agrees with his reads(Post 369).
..

Not all of them. What I said in 369 was

"...And I agree with many of the reads he gave in post before last.

Here are his reads for reference:

Twistedspoon- I believe his claim

{I'll add my own disclaimer here:FOR NOW}

, play pretty much matches up nicely with the claim.

Juls- Feels town

Oso- Feels town
Rhinox- Feels town

Necessary Evil- Null: hard to read,

more quality posts than me, but less posts in total.

EA- Slightly scummy

because I find his all-out attack of me a bit odd,

can’t put my finger on it.

(Yeah, right now, I would be calling for the vigging of myself, but at the beginning, I was EA’s first choice for vigging, even after I was absent for a couple days)

Prosaurus- Scum because of the way he posted. Yeah, that rolefishing is included.
Me=Weird- At first I thought he was scum, but now I’m not so sure so I’ll say null.

Maxous- Feels town
Farside- Feels town

Javert- I highly doubt that scum would have dayvigging powers. Once he vigs someone, he’s confirmed town IMO.
Ender- I believe the claim for now,

but I recoginize in his shoes, a 1 shot cop would be a pretty good fakeclaim. More likely than TS to be mafia.

Exclude my entry on that list. The bold are ones that I agree with, the italicized ones are the ones I don't. The rest I'm still making my mind up on.

In regards to M=W, jury is still out on my actual opinion of him as I am conflicted. Head says scum, gut is screaming town. Not that I expect this to make any sense at all to most folks but my head is better at finding scum than my gut is. Gut is better at finding town. It is rare that I have both on complete opposite sides of the same argument. Usually one is yammering at me while the other is silent mostly.

I'm for bed I think. I've been reading this game for the last 4 or 5 hours and it is all starting to blur. I'll let my subconscious work on it for a bit.

[Erratus Apathos]

I'm not saying that i figured out scum by POE.

I'm saying that i highly doubt that all my town reads is actually town.

Why do you doubt that?

[Javert]

Been reading the game (and players in isolation in particular). Rather annoying. Somebody seems like scum up until I isolate their posts.

Most of my time has been spent skimming Twistedspoon's history, but he (annoyingly) has not been scum in any completed games that I can find, so I can't be sure if I am reading his inexperience as scumminess. If I boiled it down, I don't like that: (1) he suggests I could be scum with a daykill; (2) he unvotes me because I have already claimed; and (3) he attacks ender241 for unvoting Necessary Evil, but then retracts his attack because ender241 claimed Cop. Can easily see scum trying to be too clever by half with these posts, and it's difficult to see a Town reason in posting them.

Still reading. And up far too late...

[Twistedspoon]

(1) he suggests I could be scum with a daykill; (2) he unvotes me because I have already claimed; and (3) he attacks ender241 for unvoting Necessary Evil, but then retracts his attack because ender241 claimed Cop.

1) it's possible. You'd even have to admit it's possible. I'm not saying you are tho'
2) so? Why would i want to kill a dayvig?
3)I attacked ender? When?

Oh, and you're in luck, Javert

today my first ever game as scum just finished.

'tis 71 pages long though
no need to thank me

[Javert]

Actually.

Really going back to ender241 + Me=Weird. I don't understand Me=Weird's reaction to ender241 at all. First, Me=Weird attacks ender241, but then supports ender241 while voting for him. Then he backs up the claim at least twice; once he says he believes the claim because of the breadcrumb (which I don't buy; the breadcrumb was dropped as a last resort, and does not suggest 1-Shot Cop), and then he suggests ender241 is Town because he was "eager to claim." I still do not buy that reasoning. ender241 was not eager to claim. But he was certainly eager to get people to stop attacking him, which he first tried to by subtly hinting at power, and then patently avoided claiming until somebody was going to put him at L-1.

Another problem with ender241 was his recent absence (possibly in hopes of not having a wagon rear up on him again, especially in light of Twistedspoon's claim, in other words "oh shit, this guy basically counterclaimed me"). This was followed by returning and asking everybody for "top 3 scum" without giving his own opinion on who is scum.

Whether ender241 is Town or Scum, I'm not sure I buy into Me=Weird's reasoning for his actions. And as I mentioned before, I do not buy into his explanation for asking me the number of shots in my role.

Anyways. Think I am going to try to sleep. Currently going to Vig ender241, or Me=Weird. I will Vig somebody in the next ten hours.

[Javert]

It appears I am in luck.

Twistedspoon, please explain to me what your felt your "strategy" was in that game. How did you try to get Townspeople mislynched? Did you try to buddy up? Did you defend your scumpartners?

Why don't you feel your play in this game is not similar to that game?

[Twistedspoon]

It appears I am in luck.

Twistedspoon, please explain to me what your felt your "strategy" was in that game. How did you try to get Townspeople mislynched? Did you try to buddy up? Did you defend your scumpartners?

Why don't you feel your play in this game is not similar to that game?

well remember it was a theme game

you can't get a mislynch really. One player is the executioner and he just kills whoever he jolly well wants to

No I didn't defend my scumpartners. One of them I advocated their execution after they made a mistake, and the other wasn't active enough to bus. He was rather pro-town too though when he was around.

Buddying? I think 2 players tried to buddy up to me. I was cool with that since I was scum in that game. I didn't do any buddying myself though. It was only my 2nd ever game playing mafia and my 1st as scum. The other players would have probably recognised inexperienced buddying.

Does this answer your questions regarding that game?

[Twistedspoon]

I think I'll just say this now though to get it off of my chest

from thursday afternoon I'll be V/LA just to let you know

[Javert]

You claimed Deputy in that game with a single investigation result. Do you think that influenced your claim in this game?

[Klazam]

I'm not saying that i figured out scum by POE.

I'm saying that i highly doubt that all my town reads is actually town.

Why do you doubt that?

Why? Because I cannot possibly be that good.

[Twistedspoon]

You claimed Deputy in that game with a single investigation result. Do you think that influenced your claim in this game?

I claimed deputy about 1 page before the endgame. The claim was unimportant since another player was going to be executed anyways and after that the game ended
I claimed deputy as scum in that game because I knew there was a nurse and a cop, so a deputy would make sense. I don't think it would have made much difference if I didn't claim or claimed VT though

[Javert]

That wasn't my question, Twistedspoon. Answer quickly, now.

[Twistedspoon]

what do you mean influenced in this game?
How does a fakeclaim in a game where I'm scum change my role PM in this one
I am a little confused by the question, sorry

[Javert]

Seven minutes to post, and your answer is a bit forced. My question was a (rather obvious) attempt to see if I could catch scum slipping up, but it certainly would not work with somebody who takes almost twenty minutes total to answer the question. Strike.

[Javert]

Here's my problem with your post, by the way:

After skimming your QuickTopic from your other game, two things stand out to me. You are overly concerned with what others think about your play. And you are actually sharper than your posts let on.

Your response to me just now, on the other hand, looks to be hamming it up. I'm pretty sure you know

exactly

what I was getting at, and yet you act confused. Not really buying it.

[Twistedspoon]

well I'd taken the time to have breakfast ¬_¬
I have a life outside mini 1147

any more questions on the game that I so kindly revealed to you?

[Twistedspoon]

After skimming your QuickTopic from your other game, two things stand out to me. You are overly concerned with what others think about your play.

that's kinda important though when you're playing as mafia (or even town for that matter)

you don't want to be seen as scummy by townies when playing as mafioso