Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

[Javert]

I do have a question, sure.

When you were scum in that game, do you think you tried to use the "I'm confused" tactic as scum to make yourself look like befuddled Town? Because it's showing here. If you answer "no," by the way, I

will

take the time to read your posts in that other game to see if it contradicts what you say here.

[Twistedspoon]

When you were scum in that game, do you think you tried to use the "I'm confused" tactic as scum to make yourself look like befuddled Town?

well that game lasted 3 months and 70 pages

I can't remember every post and tactic now can I?

but no, I don't remember feigning confusion in that game.

btw, are you checking my town games too? What's to say my play in scum and town games isn't almost the same?
and are you meta'ing your other vig candidates too, or would you rather I did that (not that i know how to)

[Javert]

Any reason you tried shifting the discussion to whether I have meta'd other players?

[Twistedspoon]

I'm not shifting it; It's a side question

carry on your questions, I have no problem

[Javert]

You mentioned in the QuickTopic that you managed to avoid being lynched Day One because of a single pro-town post. Mind linking me, and explaining why you were being run up? I don't have time to read the game, and I should really be trying to get at least a couple hours sleep tonight.

[Maxous]

@Farside: Do you think it is possible Javert has a day vig power and be scum?

No. Not in a normal game at least. I only once seen a day vig be scum and I created the role in a theme game with the stipulation that the mafia could not kill that night. It was an unlimited day vig scum.

Okay.
Now why in the world would Javert be 'scummy' in your view if he shot less than 7 days before the deadline?

[Twistedspoon]

@Jav:
sure

I slipped up in my first post with role speculation. Not a good move. From that point the town vig played a gambit to see if i was scum

post 228

then in post 231 the town vig does a U-turn and says I'm town after many pages of the converse

[Javert]

So... last game you slipped early because you knew too much about the set-up.

Now in this game, you said you saw a "theme" of 1-Shots early after a single player (ender241) claimed 1-Shot Cop. Not only does that pretty much suggest you immediately believed ender241's claim (which is a bit far-fetched since you are claiming the exact same role as him), but it also suggests you might have too much though possibly imperfect -- I am not going to say how many shots

my

role gets) information.

Going to bed now. Will Vig later.

[Twistedspoon]

I slipped early because I speculated on roles in that game. Even as mafia I didn't know what they were. I only knew there were 3 scum. That was all

Now in this game, you said you saw a "theme" of 1-Shots early after a single player (ender241) claimed 1-Shot Cop. Not only does that pretty much suggest you immediately believed ender241's claim (which is a bit far-fetched since you are claiming the exact same role as him), but it also suggests you might have too much though possibly imperfect -- I am not going to say how many shots

my

role gets) information.

I believed Enders claim because I thought that a one-shot cop seemed rather weak when i got it, and thought that there must be something to balance this out. e.g. another one-shot cop

[Juls]

I think if Twisted was going to recognize a theme in this game of one-shots then he would have claimed something different as scum. Like maybe a one-shot doc or a one-shot tracker. Claiming the exact same thing as ender is what makes me lean more town with him. But, admittedly, I have not looked over the other game he posted yet.

[farside22]

@Farside: Do you think it is possible Javert has a day vig power and be scum?

No. Not in a normal game at least. I only once seen a day vig be scum and I created the role in a theme game with the stipulation that the mafia could not kill that night. It was an unlimited day vig scum.

Okay.
Now why in the world would Javert be 'scummy' in your view if he shot less than 7 days before the deadline?

It hurts the town if a vig shoots late in the day to do a lynch and I just can't see a town reason for vigging someone late in the game. Usually late game lynching = rushing to lynch a player and that doesn't give information all the time. Or sometimes there will be a no lynch.
I don't agree with no lynches. You always wonder if the person you were pushing was scum, your back on day 2 with the same theory and not always a lot of information.

[Javert]

Kill: ender241

.

[Twistedspoon]

._.

[Twistedspoon]

do we get the flip then?

anyways, I'm away for the rest of the day now, so I'll only have tommorow until the afternoon to post before i go V/LA
ciao

[Rhinox]

*grumbles about the kill choice*

ender, hurry up and get in here and post your thoughts before you are officially dead!

[Oso]

do we get the flip then?

Yes, I would think so. Might take a while though. If I have it right, neil is in the Central US time Zone (Just after 12:00pm) could be several hours before he even looks at ms.

[ender241]

Dude, sorry i forgot to put V/LA in my games. You've wasted a shot and you shall regret it...one day would have been of use just so i could have investigated tonight...

[Rhinox]

Dude, sorry i forgot to put V/LA in my games. You've wasted a shot and you shall regret it...one day would have been of use just so i could have investigated tonight...

do you have any last minute thoughts? Who do you think we should be looking at once you're dead?

[Twistedspoon]

speak now ender of forever hold your tongue

I guess that makes my investigation all the more important :/

[Me=Weird]

Hm. I don't entirely approve of the ender kill.
Post #244: Klazam attacked me and prosaurus for "role-fishing". Scum often look for townies doing common "scumtells" that are so widely known, scum don't actually do anymore. And thus useless as scum-tells.
This, combined with not providing much reasoning for his votes, lots of short, content sparse posts and scum vibes, makes me think he's scum. He seems like the most likely of my scumspects to get lynched, and I don't like wasting my vote, so

Unvote, Vote: Klazam

[neil1113]

He only had one. One shot. One chance to use it. It was left for him by his brother, in case he ever needed it. He never thought it would come in handy like today, but he knew he had to give it a go...

The sound of a gun being cocked back surprised everyone at the table except him. Before anyone had a chance to respond, the man who claimed he had one bullet, proved himself, throwing the gun out from under the table. The gun soared through the air, in a controlled motion in his hand before slowing down. It's target was located directly at the opposite end of the barrel now, and all it took was one... tiny... squeeze...

BAM!

ender241

,

One-Shot Cop

was

Vigged

Day 1.

Day Continues... current vote count:

Vote Count #1.7:
Day One

Klazam

(3): Farside22, Erratus Apathos, Me=Weird

Necessary Evil

(1): Twistedspoon

Prosaurus

(1): Klazam

Me=Weird

(1): Juls

Erratus Apathos

(1): Prosaurus

Twistedspoon

(0):

Oso

(0):

Javert

(0):

Rhinox

(0):

Maxous

(0):

Juls

(0):

farside22

(0):

No Lynch

(0):

Not Voting

(5): Oso, Javert, Rhinox, Necessary Evil, Maxous

V/LA

(1): Necessary Evil until Saturday.

Prodding:

(0):

With

12

alive it takes

7

to lynch.
Deadline for Day One is 12:00am EST on 4/20/2011

[Maxous]

Ender's flip is enough to make me have a serious re-think about my suspicions towards Erratus and Rhonox. I won't be voting for them today anyway.

It hurts the town if a vig shoots late in the day to do a lynch and I just can't see a town reason for vigging someone late in the game. Usually late game lynching = rushing to lynch a player and that doesn't give information all the time. Or sometimes there will be a no lynch.
I don't agree with no lynches. You always wonder if the person you were pushing was scum, your back on day 2 with the same theory and not always a lot of information.

Okay I get why you think it is better for the town that the vig came sooner rather than later.
But what I still don't get is why you would call his potential actions "scummy" (I.E. actions a mafia is more likely to perform) if you don't beleive a mafia would have a Day-Vig power in this game. That was unneccesary pressure at best, based on something you did'nt beleive.

I can understand some of the suspicions towards Klazam but I dunno still..
Saying that, I would'nt be overly bothered if he was lynched.
I would prefer the following lynch though.

VOTE: Me=Weird

[Twistedspoon]

Before anyone had a chance to respond, the man who claimed he had one bullet, proved himself

Javert never claimed one-shot did he?
odd

anyways, there goes one one-shot cop. I wasn't for an ender lynch in case this happened
all the more pressure for me i guess
I will say that it's silly that ender didn't post his thoughts before he dies though. It'd have been nice to see the final reads of a confirmed townie

[Maxous]

Ender's read was Prosaurus.

That's it as far as I remember.

[Twistedspoon]

do you therefore think Prosaurus is scum, or the case on him being so is strengthened, as ender flipped town?