Bloodbath in Camden - Game Over!

[GreyICE]

So this game is stalling while we wait for lurkers

[Hiraki]

Sorry I'm scum, so I have to go for the easy lynch.

ALso, this isn't funny. I hate jokes in mafia. I have said that many times, and I have yet to find a case when a joke in mafia is funny.

You don't like my jokes? Leme tell you a little story.

Wanna know how I got these scars? My father, was a drinker...and a fiend. And one night, he goes off craaaazier than usual. Mommy gets the kitchen to defend herself. He doesnt like that. Not...one...bit. So, me watching, he takes the knife to her, laughing while he does it. He turns to me, and he says, "Why so serious?". Comes at me with the knife, "Why so serious?!". Sticks the blade in my mouth, "Let's put a smile on that face." Aaaand, why so serious?

[CooLDoG]

...
@king, quote my post saying

explicitly

that my vote on you is rvs. And I mean my words=I voted for king for rvs reasons.
...
Tempted to vote king for lieing about my rvs vote, and

joining the band wagon

. But, I want furc to post before I change my vote.

Conclusions from the last 2 posts:
1) if king is scum toogy is too.
2)King doesn't know the meaning of rvs.

@king, what reasons would you consider to be valid for an rvs vote? Are those reasons really that meaningful? And are they more meaningful then not giving reasons at all?
Don't you also think that you are taking what I said to absurd extremes? Remember I gave a clarification stating that there is no point

this

early in the game. And also are my reasons for voting you any less legitimate (possibly more) then

any other reasons in rvs?

Right there you say your vote was in RVS.

But you see buddy that isn't me saying its an rvs vote. That's me asking: "How is my vote on you any less valid then an rvs vote" II gave a legitimate reason for my vote when I voted it. My reason was omgus + gutish.

unvote, vote:king

I can't stand people like you.

[Furcolow]

So the 3 people I listed as scum are all voting me? I wonder why...
Thats OMGUS x3
I'm reading... will post some comments I'm sure

[GreyICE]

Scum:
Toogeloo
KingTwelveSixteen
Lady Lamdadelta

[5] Furcolow - TheLonging, Lady Lambdadelta, GreyICE, KingTwelveSixteen, CooLDoG

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[Furcolow]

Aw, come on!
Stupid computer dumped my post, whatever.

Vote: Furcolow

For all those reasons listed and like 4 more I would have pointed out about the first post but I'm annoyed right now so.

He put Exe as leaning town, even though he flipped scum seems like the biggest thingy to me.

BLATANT OMGUS, even admits to not having reasons of his own... so he is sheeping on top

First things first. Furc is town for the main reason why King is voting him. There is no way scum would say that a flipped buddy was "leaning town" for him. It's just plain silly and scum would realize that they would get called out for it. The only way Furc is scum is if he's a SK and I don't think he is.

Furc has posted only 7 times, his posts clearly indicating he hasn't read the thread, I don't doubt he'd be that stupid.

I read every thing, how the fuck else did I get my reads and comment on specific posts?

That has nothing to do with claiming a town read on somebody who has flipped scum Hiraki.

Like literally nothing.

Like I said in the post I made, I made that during the night, because I noticed this game after RVS during the night phase. I listed my reads from reading. I had Exe in "leaning scum", but his hammering in another game was when he was town, so I moved him.

Yeah, he also randomly jumped off Exe (Exe had not yet responded, neither had Fur, so it was rather unprompted) and onto Fur, if you will recall.

Hmmmm.

HMMMMM WHY YOU SUSPECT MY SCUMBUDDY HMMMM?
That's what lady lamda delta's hmmm is about

unvote;
vote: kingtwelvesixteen

I thought Toogeloo had 2 votes on him, but I see GreyIce was just confirming their vote now

So you changed your vote to the larger wagon because it had more votes on it?

Not because it was more likely to be scum?

WUT

vote: Furcolow

WHOSE THE LARGEST WAGON NOW, SCUMBAG?

I don't like this.

Well I do. I mean his literal reason for moving between Toogaloo and King1216 is that he thought that Toogaloo had another vote initially.

There wasn't any reason Toog was scummy. Any reason King was scummy. Just "oh, I thought the bandwagons were equal, lemme move to the larger one."

Well fuck that nonsense, seriously.

Do you disagree about either the vote jump or the reasoning being scummy?

ummm
did you not notice that i had them both listed as SCUM?
I'm going to vote any person listed as SCUM that has the most votes as them
that includes people leaning scum, to be honest

That has nothing to do with claiming a town read on somebody who has flipped scum Hiraki.

Like literally nothing.

YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

WATCH THIS.

YOU CAN'T TRUST A TOWN READ ON SOMEONE WHO WASN'T SCUMMY UNTIL HE QUICKHAMMERED. HIS FIRST VOTE WASN'T BAD, IT WAS JUST A GOOD BW. BASICALLY, EXE IS NULL UNTIL HE GETS TO THE QUICKHAMMER PART. CALLING HIM SCUMMY AND/OR TOWNIE HAS NO APPLICABLE REASONING BECAUSE THERE IS NO REASON TO CALL HIM TOWN/SCUM AT THAT TIME. HE WAS NULL.

The town read on Exe was posted after Exe flipped scum, not before. Try reading before you pointlessly insult someone.

Yes, but I WROTE the read BEFORE he flipped scum... in microsoft word.. during the night phase

I read it like that too TL, but then figured out he meant that Fur didn't give reasons as to why either were scummy.

Are you referring to Cooldog?
He is scum because of a game I played with him called Metropolis where he was lynched D1 as scum, and I was the doctor. His play D1 mirrored that. The problem with that is he didn't make any detailed listing posts like he did before, but I guess he's just copying what I did as town and listing me as scum since I am the largest wagon on town... seems pretty A.B.C. to me. Needless to say, I am a little put off about my read on Cooldog now, but I am still definitely willing to lynch him even if he is town because he will do nothing but hurt us in the long run. However, I do not think he is town, even if he is starting to look up a little in my book.

I like populartajos #384 (I believe), remove him from your list if you're following my list vig/sk

Furc is town, tclawren is so freaking right about him. I dont see furcscum putting exe on his list when scum would already known this and would probabaly have worked on an updated list. That means tclawren is town too.

And you put me on your scum list for no reason.

If your only reasoning for furc being town is HE CALLED EXE TOWN AFTER HE DIED, then you haven't played with him.

I used meta there, but as a stepping stone for my other points.

you're acting like you weren't pushing me off of my fucking RVS vote and pressure on your scumbuddy who didnt want to be bandwagonning...
funny, kid

But he admitted in the post after that he was wrong.

I don't think was stupidity as to actually post Twilight/Night 1 reads.

exactly. I realized he was dead.

Great, then that point is dismissed and all my other points are valid.

what other points? my RVS voting and attack on someone for not wanting to bandwagon on Toogeloo? The fact Toogeloo and KingTwelveSixteen have been openly buddying? What do you think about THAT? You have been avoiding doing anything but tunnel on me, bud.

one post!

two posts!

Two posts, ahahaha!

my "crappy content" is more than your laughing "DERP HES SCUM" idiocy that shows off how your mind isn't fully developed yet.

Your first post, like I have already addressed, is attacking a pro-town concept of someone attacking someone for being afraid to vote in the RVS... deterring wagons... and buddying between king and toog. You're attacking a good, pro-town concept. I am not sure whether or not you are just young and dumb, or scum. I'm leaning towards the prior, which is why I put you on my vig list and not my scum list.

Liking Tajos #424 too

CoolDog on the bottom of page 18 is town
I am changing my read on him to town from viggable scum
Still happy with Toog/LadyLambdaDelta/KingTwelveSixteen and want a vig to kill TheLonging because his mind isn't developed properly

@Grey: Vig targets were people I figured were scum too, GreyIce, which includes thelonging, hence why I have been looking towards tajo/cooldog and changed my reads on them

[Slaxx]

Request Prod/ Replacement for Shattered Viewpoint

[TheLonging]

So the 3 people I listed as scum are all voting me? I wonder why...
Thats OMGUS x3
I'm reading... will post some comments I'm sure

Not OMGUS if I have a case bro. Especially if I voted for you before you even mentioned me.

1)

you're acting like you weren't pushing me off of my fucking RVS vote and pressure on your scumbuddy who didnt want to be bandwagonning...
funny, kid

2)

Great, then that point is dismissed and all my other points are valid.

what other points? my RVS voting and attack on someone for not wanting to bandwagon on Toogeloo? The fact Toogeloo and KingTwelveSixteen have been openly buddying? What do you think about THAT? You have been avoiding doing anything but tunnel on me, bud.

3)

one post!

two posts!

Two posts, ahahaha!

my "crappy content" is more than your laughing "DERP HES SCUM" idiocy that shows off how your mind isn't fully developed yet.

4)

Your first post, like I have already addressed, is attacking a pro-town concept of someone attacking someone for being afraid to vote in the RVS... deterring wagons... and buddying between king and toog. You're attacking a good, pro-town concept. I am not sure whether or not you are just young and dumb, or scum. I'm leaning towards the prior, which is why I put you on my vig list and not my scum list.

Still happy with Toog/LadyLambdaDelta/KingTwelveSixteen and want a vig to kill TheLonging because his mind isn't developed properly

@Grey: Vig targets were people I figured were scum too, GreyIce, which includes thelonging, hence why I have been looking towards tajo/cooldog and changed my reads on them

1) I pushed off your RVS posts because they were scummy (including that 2nd post you made on day 1)
2) Actually if you read I also mentioned how I believe Toog and King could be scum, even scumbuddies together
3) You're belittling me to further your case for me being scum. I mean, insulting. My mind isn't fully developed yet? What?
4) I'm not attacking a good, pro-town concept, if being afraid of RVS is pro-town, then I am scum in every game I have ever played. Further, I'm either young and dumb or scum, and you think I'm just a stupid kid who doesn't know how to play mafia? And my mind isn't developed properly?

I'm all for debating with you and trying to show that you are scum, and you can do the same, but if you want to keep insulting me, then I'll just replace out, for the only thing I do not tolerate in mafia, besides spam, one-liners, and 3 - 5 pages of off-topic posting, it's insulting people, me or anyone.
3)

[Parama]

I've already poked Nobody Special and he said he'd post but I'm honestly getting a little fed up with him too so <_<

[tclawren]

NS is shattered viewpoint? o.O

Furc solidifies himself as town in my book after that post.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

NS is shattered viewpoint? o.O

Furc solidifies himself as town in my book after that post.

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But, for the sake of argument, explain why?

[tclawren]

@LLD: I like the way he's letting us into his mind while his opinion is being changed. It shows me that he was writing this while reading and didn't really go back to edit it to make it sound more "consistent." Scum tend to be much more careful about their usage of phrases and posts. In other words I think the structure of this post are a town tell.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD: I like the way he's letting us into his mind while his opinion is being changed. It shows me that he was writing this while reading and didn't really go back to edit it to make it sound more "consistent." Scum tend to be much more careful about their usage of phrases and posts. In other words

I think the structure of this post are a town tell.

The bolded is ridiculous and cements my scum read on both you and Furc.

[TheLonging]

@LLD: I like the way he's letting us into his mind while his opinion is being changed. It shows me that he was writing this while reading and didn't really go back to edit it to make it sound more "consistent." Scum tend to be much more careful about their usage of phrases and posts. In other words I think the structure of this post are a town tell.

And do you find insults to be town tells?

Structure of the post? Also don't you edit your posts after going through the thread to add in details and fix up stuff?

[KingTwelveSixteen]

Aw, come on!
Stupid computer dumped my post, whatever.

Vote: Furcolow

For all those reasons listed and like 4 more I would have pointed out about the first post but I'm annoyed right now so.

He put Exe as leaning town, even though he flipped scum seems like the biggest thingy to me.

BLATANT OMGUS, even admits to not having reasons of his own... so he is sheeping on top

...Did you even actually read that post? I mean seriously here.
Not to mention all the horrible problems with the rest of your post like personal insults and declaring that everyone who is voting you is just OMGUSing.

@LLD: I like the way he's letting us into his mind while his opinion is being changed. It shows me that he was writing this while reading and didn't really go back to edit it to make it sound more "consistent." Scum tend to be much more careful about their usage of phrases and posts. In other words I think the structure of this post are a town tell.

Laziness is not a town tell.

[KingTwelveSixteen]

...
@king, quote my post saying

explicitly

that my vote on you is rvs. And I mean my words=I voted for king for rvs reasons.
...
Tempted to vote king for lieing about my rvs vote, and

joining the band wagon

. But, I want furc to post before I change my vote.

Conclusions from the last 2 posts:
1) if king is scum toogy is too.
2)King doesn't know the meaning of rvs.

@king, what reasons would you consider to be valid for an rvs vote? Are those reasons really that meaningful? And are they more meaningful then not giving reasons at all?
Don't you also think that you are taking what I said to absurd extremes? Remember I gave a clarification stating that there is no point

this

early in the game. And also are my reasons for voting you any less legitimate (possibly more) then

any other reasons in rvs?

Right there you say your vote was in RVS.

But you see buddy that isn't me saying its an rvs vote. That's me asking: "How is my vote on you any less valid then an rvs vote" II gave a legitimate reason for my vote when I voted it. My reason was omgus + gutish.

unvote, vote:king

I can't stand people like you.

Read the underlined a bolded part again.
Pay special attention to the word "other."
Other implies correlation.
Correlation and connection between your vote and the RVS votes.
If your vote was completely seperate from the RVS votes then the phrase would have been: "any of the RVS reasons" "any of the reasons in RVS" ect.
Also, the point about your vote being "possibly" (only possibly?) more legitimate than the RVS votes is an odd thing to say, especially if you yourself believe your vote to be legitimate.

[Parama]

Pine replaces Me=Weird and we are full up again! YAAAAAY!

[KingTwelveSixteen]

Give me a reason why my votes havn't been justified

The vote in #24 is an oblivious OMGUS. You're voting someone for accusing you of something(which you are, but that's not the point). If I tell Slaxx that he has a giant bee on his head, he won't vote me because there isn't a bee on his head.

tl;dr: You've taken LaL

way

out of proportion and come off as inordinately jumpy, and ready to strike at any time.

I was just re-reading and I noticed that Hiraki claimed I was both OMGUSing and using Lynch-all-Liars simultaneously.
OMGUS is voting whoever voted you with no other reasoning for said vote.
LaL is voting due to the reasoning of lying.


Whoops, this was meant to be posted together with the other thing.

[Pine]

A lot of familiar

faces

names.

Unvote

I'll catch up and should have a post ready in a few hours.

[Hiraki]

Give me a reason why my votes havn't been justified

The vote in #24 is an oblivious OMGUS. You're voting someone for accusing you of something(which you are, but that's not the point). If I tell Slaxx that he has a giant bee on his head, he won't vote me because there isn't a bee on his head.

tl;dr: You've taken LaL

way

out of proportion and come off as inordinately jumpy, and ready to strike at any time.

I was just re-reading and I noticed that Hiraki claimed I was both OMGUSing and using Lynch-all-Liars simultaneously.
OMGUS is voting whoever voted you with no other reasoning for said vote.
LaL is voting due to the reasoning of lying.


Whoops, this was meant to be posted together with the other thing.

What's the point? It's still pretty fucking horrible.

[GreyICE]

@LLD: I like the way he's letting us into his mind while his opinion is being changed. It shows me that he was writing this while reading and didn't really go back to edit it to make it sound more "consistent." Scum tend to be much more careful about their usage of phrases and posts. In other words I think the structure of this post are a town tell.

I'm... not sure I love this reasoning.

The post is a mess, so it's a town tell?

[Pine]

Okaaaaaaay.

A little overwhelmed by read-through, so this will be short. I'll explain my vote and reads in an hour or two when I'm home and have recharged a bit.

VOTE: TheLonging

--Scum--
TheLonging
--Maybe Scum--
Furcolow
Hiraki
--Leaning Scum--
Toogeloo
CoolDog
--Leaning Town--
GreyICE
Ladyλδ
tclawren
Slaxx
Tajo

Others have a null or noticably mixed read

[TheLonging]

I'm eagerly awaiting your case and reads

[Toogeloo]

@LLD: I like the way he's letting us into his mind while his opinion is being changed. It shows me that he was writing this while reading and didn't really go back to edit it to make it sound more "consistent." Scum tend to be much more careful about their usage of phrases and posts. In other words I think the structure of this post are a town tell.

And do you find insults to be town tells?

Structure of the post? Also don't you edit your posts after going through the thread to add in details and fix up stuff?

I don't. I pretty much post my thoughts as I hit each post. For example, I typed this up without reading anything after this post.

[Pine]

Oh. Thought of this on the way home.

At this point in the game, almost everyone has had someone fervently declare them indisputably Town, and had someone else declare them scummy enough to be Satan's heir. I caught myself skimming rather than fully reading a couple of times, so it's possible I missed where you "proved" someone HAD to be scum or couldn't possibly be mistaken for anything but Town. If my list runs afoul of any of those strong reads, please have a little patience with me and point me back to your case to review it individually.

It's also possible that I read it, understood it, and disagreed with you, so don't get

too

pushy.

Tired, had a long day. Case on TL and other reads will wait another hour or so, hopefully won't get pushed to the morning.