Open 300 - Mafia on Midol (Town Wins!)

[singersigner]

Prodding Nikanor.

Replacing Zorblag.

Carry On.

[AGar]

@AGar - What makes the defense of DH from Crazy differ from the defense from all the other people who were off the wagon? Do you still read both players as scum?

Crazy's reasoning initially was awful (too scummy to be scum, essentially), and he didn't follow up with much beyond that. I still do at this time. Nacho has been in a limbo between lurking and fluffing at this point. He provided at most two reads in his 3 consecutive posts that I assume were catchups. Crazy hasn't assuaged any of my feelings so far, and the dissonance between "I'm vote hopping to generate pressure and reads!" and only two of his votes actually generating reads (out of 5) isn't helping anything.

Was DH's trap going to fully and 100% propel a mislynch? Probably not. But by design, it was more likely to catch a town player poking and prodding than an opportunistic scum player, especially among this crowd of players. The fact that he "believed" otherwise, to me, doesn't translate a town mindset.

You thought scumDH would actually try to push a mislynch with that trap?
What?

You don't read, do you? Like the first two lines, specifically. The trap in itself wouldn't be the sole force behind a mislynch, I'm well aware of that. But the "trap" was, as I said, more likely to catch a town player by design. From there it's all in erosion. Anything that comes up from there on out that is even the slightest bit imperfect is going to be persecuted with the fullest intent to lynch, using the "trap" as a cornerstone. A half-intelligent player should be able to look at this and see the obvious flaw from the get-go.

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NS is nitpicking at minute details to stall out on doing anything right now. The case on Chk is bunk. But what really really bothers me is he goes after both Chk and Crazy for 'out of game analysis' and votes Chk, with 2 votes on him instead of Crazy, with 4. If the scumtell applies to both, which it seems to me it does, then why vote for the smaller wagon?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nobody Special

[chkflip]

OMG the worst stomach flu. Catching up.

[Crazy]

Not enough time to post right now. I'll get to this later tonight or tomorrow.

[Papa Zito]

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeere did everyone go?

[Fate]

Well we're wagonning a scumbag who won't post to flail or whine, so this is to be expected.

Stay the course, gentlemen.

[Thor665]

^
I will point out that applies equally for Sudo, amirite?

Psssh, if it stays this slow I'll vote NS tomorrow just for kicks.

[chkflip]

Nacho, why did you end this post with the same thing you started this one with?

You are so dumb.
You are really dumb.
For real.

Honestly though, why do you care so much? I notice Punkin voted me in the same time frame aswell but didn't get anal retentive when I didn't comment on it. Besides, wtf am I supposed to say to your vote? "Oh, so you think those posts are scummy. Neat."

I've decided to slim my posts down because it seems to be the common consensus that I'm dumbtown or overcompensating-scum, neither of which I like so I'm attempting to generate more concise and well thought posts.

[Punkin]

Ythill has nothing to say about NS's latest post?

Was there something in it that should have inspired us to comment?

Now kindly vote Sudo so he actually admits there's a wagon on him and addresses it instead of trying to lurk out and hope a VI wagon happens to remove the pressure.

I have no interest in Sudo posting defenses.

"Here are my first 6 choices for scum! Vote: Random Guy"
What were you thinking?

"If I determine the enemy's disposition of force while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented... Thus the pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless. If it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it or the wise make plans against it." ~Sun Tsu,

The Art of War

^
I will point out that applies equally for Sudo, amirite?

If you wanna call two votes a wagon. Stop leaning and jump aboard. Sudo's still on the radar and we can always switch back to him later.

more concise and well thought posts

This should be sigged by anyone who ICs.

Didn't notice anything during my absence that substantially changed reads. Will catch up our notes in a page or three and let you know of any swings.

[chkflip]

@MODSKEE: Unless I'm a sooperseekret doublevote it's only on Crazy now, but you can delete them both for your next count.

Never happened.

What's wrong with this interaction?

Punkin: Not Voting isn't scum, nigga, keep yo vote in play dawg.
Sudo: Shut yo mouth, ho. I vote when I have info on obvscum.
Llama: So, Sudo... what's your read on DH/Nacho?
Sudo: *NACHO VOTE* Even tho my read is null.

UNVOTE: Crazy
VOTE: Sudo_Nym

[singersigner]

Votecount 1.7

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Punkin (0):
Cyberbob (0):
AGar (2): Zorblag, LlamaFluff
Nachomamma8 (2): SocioPath, Sudo_Nym
Oman (0):
Papa Zito (0):
SocioPath (0):
Sudo_Nym (3): Cyberbob, Thor665, chkflip
Zorblag (0):
Thor665 (0):
Plum (0):
Fate (0):
chkflip (3): Nachomamma8, Plum, Nobody Special
Cogito Ergo Sum (0):
Llamafluff (0):
Nikanor (0):
Crazy (2): Nikanor, Oman
Nobody Special (6): Crazy, Papa Zito, Punkin, Fate, Cogito Ergo Sum, AGar

Not voting (0):

V/LA: AGar 4/15-4/17

Replacement pending for Zorblag.

Deadline is April 21st, 2011 at 7pm PST.

[SocioPath]

Nachomamma8 (3): SocioPath, chkflip, Sudo_Nym

Is it just me or is this wagon lulzy?

This one is more amusing:

Sudo_Nym (3): Cyberbob, Thor665, chkflip

[Ythill]

Mod <3s you.

[Punkin]

Damn, wrong account.

Mod, please delete that for me?

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Interesting.

UNVOTE: NS
VOTE: Sudo_Nym

I guess you got your way after all, Thor.

Ninja'd: Hi SP.

[SocioPath]

Ninja'd: Hi SP.

Ello...~Ythill~.

[Punkin]

Do you still think Chk is scummy? Did you see what I just saw?

[LlamaFluff]

unvote
Vote SN

AGar is back off the hook.

[Punkin]

<3

[SocioPath]

Do you still think Chk is scummy? Did you see what I just saw?

You mean the part where he was referencing you and Sudo to call Sudo out on a silly vote, while YOU at the same time did the exact same thing by voting someone you didn't claim to be on your scum list?
No, I didn't see a thing.

I do see that he is more likely to be scum that I would rather keep around for a longer period of time though.

[Punkin]

No, the other thing.

Your last sentence does not compute.

[SocioPath]

Your last sentence does not compute.

Not all that are scum are created equally.
Some are more useful alive.
Some are more useful dead.

[AGar]

I get SP's logic, strangely. But it's bad in this case.

Assuming he means that Sudo is going to lead us to others. Disagree.

I'm amused that chk found that little nugget.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sudo_Nym

NS and Crazy still need to die sooner than later.

[Cyberbob]

I've decided to slim my posts down because it seems to be the common consensus that I'm dumbtown or overcompensating-scum, neither of which I like so I'm attempting to generate more concise and well thought posts.

lol

[Oman]

Rather than quoting them, I'm going to say this one:

I thought Sudo was on L-1 not because I was looking for an excuse, but because I hadn't counted the votes.

Unvote Vote Sudo

[Thor665]

I guess you got your way after all, Thor.

<3