Open 300 - Mafia on Midol (Town Wins!)

[AGar]

V/LA through Sunday. Be back on Monday.

Just a reminder-thing-type-deal.

[Oman]

This is suuuuper silly.

[Crazy]

Bleh. NS is V/LA again. Oh well.

@NS

Why is "out-of-game analysis" a common scum tactic?

Why didn't you mention the Sudo wagon at all in your last post?

Flakanor is being flaky again. Please make him stop.

Stop.

NS is nitpicking at minute details to stall out on doing anything right now. The case on Chk is bunk. But what really really bothers me is he goes after both Chk and Crazy for 'out of game analysis' and votes Chk, with 2 votes on him instead of Crazy, with 4. If the scumtell applies to both, which it seems to me it does, then why vote for the smaller wagon?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nobody Special

Well, you're figuring out the whole scum-team very quickly now, aren't you? The excuse to bandwagon is noted if NS flips town.

@Socio

- Do you think your vote is useful where it is now?

[Cyberbob]

Scum hopped on Sudo's wagon in the last flurry of votes. Count on it.

[SocioPath]

I like Nik's vote a lot more now.

[Punkin]

So... we have six days until deadline. Time to stop wagoning for info and work on the lynch. I'm going to catch my notes up today, then Xine and I will confer. Should have results when I get home from work tonight, maybe earlier if she feels like posting them.

The notes Xine left me last night go both ways on Plum and give Chk scumpoints.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

So... we have six days until deadline. Time to stop wagoning for info and work on the lynch.

Hint: Sudo's a good lynch.

[Punkin]

Thanks, but we'll do our own scumhunting.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Why do you hate America?

[Nachomamma8]

honestly, I'm more concerned if I don't have a couple votes on me.

Please explain.

Flakanor is being flaky again. Please make him stop.

Unvote, Vote: Nikanor

?

[Punkin]

CES:

Considering Sudo's shtick, you just proved yourself to be Canadian.

I've finished catching up and tallying. There have been some changes. Current reads include everything Xine has noted but, like I said, I still intend to discuss things with her since 80% of the work so far has been mine. Anyway...

Scum (in order): chk, Sudo, NS, Nacho, Zorb-slot
Town: Cyber, AGar, PZ, SP, Thor Fate, CES, Llama

By the numbers, Sudo and NS are actually tied for second place. However, this is entirely due to the fact that we weighted lurking into our numbers and NS got more points than Sudo for lack of posting. Hence me listing Sudo higher than NS on the list. Also note that I seriously doubt that they are scum together. As usual for me in the early game, rankings are based on individual behavior with no consideration for the team as a whole.

Nacho has been improving his slot with every post he makes. So... either the slot is town brought down by DH's poor play or the slot is scum mitigated in the reads by Nacho's good play. Due to this, I'm less willing to lynch Nacho today than I normally would be for someone who is a solid fourth on the suspect list. I do intend to keep my eyes on him though.

UNVOTE: NS
VOTE: chkflip for now.

[Punkin]

Note: for those of you not on scuMobile, Xine and I have decided to use our "location" for game-related info since we've agreed to only play one game at a time. I just changed it from "rollin around."

[Oman]

Scum hopped on Sudo's wagon in the last flurry of votes. Count on it.

I agree. One, maybe two, but no more.


Punkin, mate/honey, surely if you think chkflip is first to sudo, sudo would be the better vote due to a closer proximity to lynch?

[Punkin]

Perhaps.

Will be discussing things with Xine. Then will either push chk or vote with the larger wagon.

[singersigner]

Votecount 1.9

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Punkin (0):
Cyberbob (0):
AGar (1): Ranmaru
Nachomamma8 (2): SocioPath, Sudo_Nym
Oman (0):
Papa Zito (0):
SocioPath (0):
Sudo_Nym (7): Cyberbob, Thor665, chkflip, LlamaFluff, AGar, Oman, Cogito Ergo Sum
Ranmaru (0):
Thor665 (0):
Plum (0):
Fate (0):
chkflip (2): Nobody Special, Punkin
Cogito Ergo Sum (0):
Llamafluff (0):
Nikanor (1): Nachomamma8
Crazy (1): Nikanor
Nobody Special (4): Crazy, Papa Zito, Fate, Plum

Not voting (0):

V/LA: Sudo_Nym 4/14-4/16
V/LA: AGar 4/15-4/17
V/LA: Nobody Special 4/14-4/17

Ranmaru replaces Zorblag effective immediately.

No one's near prod time, yay!

Deadline is April 21st, 2011 at 7pm PST.

[Crazy]

@Sudo

- Are you not enjoying this game?

[Ranmaru]

Hey guys, Names Ran. I know Crazy a bit! Hello Crazy. I'm pretty new to this site. ;o

I'll be catching up shortly.

[Crazy]

Lol, when I saw your name as the last post here I was wondering why you were posting in this thread.

So, I'm currently playing in a Newbie Game with Ranmaru. He's

very

active, to say the least. Sort of a combination of Mastin and ZazieR, perhaps?

[Fate]

V/LA: Sudo_Nym 4/14-4/16
V/LA: AGar 4/15-4/17
V/LA: Nobody Special 4/14-4/17

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p2942056

Mmmm

[Fate]

Flakanor is being flaky again. Please make him stop.

Unvote, Vote: Nikanor

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Yeah I know, I wish we had time for him too.

[Punkin]

I never got a chance to chat with Xine about the game. Maybe tomorrow.

[Ranmaru]

@Crazy: Haha yeah. ;o It'll be nice. I don't know who those people are, haha. Yeah expect activity. Also expect no mercy from me xP

So far I'm on page 9. Will be finishing the other half later tonite, and I'll post notes accordingly. (It'll be a pbpa, the easiest for me to do when replacing in, lol, you guys will love me for it, unless you want a fuckload of quotes. Nah, you don't want that)

Sudo seems more anti-town then scum (so far) and I do not like DH (he replaced out) nor Thor. Replacing out has nothing to do with alignment wrt to llamapluff calling him town for that. Chkflip seems null to me, and just seemed to be wagoning on DH even though his case on him was postponed. That was a null action. Doesn't seem scummy to me though. Saw plum make a case on Chkflip but guess that didn't work out. More later.

[Ranmaru]

Btw I have two tabs up of this thread. I looked at Page 17 earlier because I like to see what was the latest issue in a game while I am catching up. (Because I said I was up to page 9, and still am, I just like to skip ahead so I have a partial idea of what is happening before I fully read up)

[singersigner]

Nikanor has requested replacement. Looking for one now.

[Ranmaru]

Mod: Why is Chkflip voting himself? Last I saw he voted Sudo :3

Whoops! Tis fixed now.

On that note, I was going to yell at Chkflip for voting himself, yet I didn't find a vote to follow suit. : D

Unvote
Vote: Nacho

Better direction is this way guys. ;o There is only one post I liked from Llama puff. Don't like the rest. That's why I'm good with Thor going before Llama. Don't like Thor asking Agar for meta, and then trying to say Crazy is town. FUCK THAT. DH/Nacho ain't town either and I'm not buying it. I have read up on you a bit and I like your playstyle but not your play here. Nacho voted Chkflip with some quotes as reasons. I'll just say it's omgus and he is voting Chkflip for a null tell, which was wagoning. He didn't quote any of Chkflip's posts about voting NS for inactivity, so he didn't really care about that. He only cared about Chkflip voting HIM, since the quotes involved his slot. Nacho can die a fiery death. Agar and Zito are town to me, I like them alot. Didn't like Agar's vote tho, but I get where he is getting at with Crazy and I will encourage him to push it further. Fate is null to me. I get his playstyle, but I don't know what the fuck he is doing. I guess I disagree with him on some stuff. I don't like Cyberbob, most likely for calling Fate a bully. Who cares, that has nothing to do with alignment. Even so, I think Cyber is slightly town. Cept I disagree with him about Thor and Llama. Plum fluffs alot with quotes and stuff. Bleh. Does some analysis on Chkflip and then votes NS wtf. I skimmed her second long post, but her first long post I re-read and noticed very short statements in reply to some quotes. Plum is useless. Oman? Don't care. (skimmed his posts)

Crazy scum. SP? I dunno. Null. Punkin? Null. Ces? Null, don't know what he is doing. He wagons, and then asks others to join. So this means he thinks that person is scum, and he's not wagoning to wagon. I don't know him, so I assume he's either already read the person who he is wagoning, or is lazy and just pretending to look like he cares about that person dying. "HEY GUYS CMON FILL IT UP WITH COAL NOT THAT I CARE ;o" Nikanor replaced, dunno about that. Flaky. Nikanor > NS for lurking death. NS is wagoned for lurking I guess, Don't care about him.

Sudo is really anti-town and hasn't scumhunted at all. Well, he is voting Nacho. I'm good with Nacho dying instead of Sudo. Still wondering how else Sudo is helping though.

About Zorb's lal thing, I don't care about it. I'm all for scummy lynches. If town gets paranoid, we might have room for a lurker lynch. Pick wisely. Also, if I have a semi-scummy person, and a lurker who I can't read, I'd pick the lurker in that case. If Super scummy vs Lurker, I'd take the SS.

Plus I love red starbursts.

This is my first time doing a pbpa for replacing in. If you would have rather had quotes, too bad. I'm not going back to put them all up now. It's alot if you want to track my thoughts, but just try to look for yourself and answer accordingly or give thoughts/opinions.

Here is the pbpa:
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Dh:
106: I would assume Crazy was null to him.
120 123: Tries to shift suspicion off himself and onto Fate, his attacker. His 123 Really reeks of survival instinct, not scumhunting.
127: Says Scum are always opportunistic, but how would he know that? This is null, scum can be patient too.
150: By this post it just seems DH is trying to point out every little thing to dig himself out of his own grave.
156: DH ignores Crazy getting off his wagon, and instead shifts suspicion off himself and onto Socio.
158 159: Omgus, and stating that he doesn’t care if he is lynched, but asks people to take their eyes of him anyways. Second part just reeks of trying to look town.

CES:
#121: Reads as semi-serious comment on DH’s wagon not fully functional.
274: K, you hop on Sudo. I guess you didn’t feel like commiting on a read for yourself.
325: Huh? Why do you feel more people should get on? I thought you were just wagoning because you had no idea who was scum or was too lazy. Explain plz.

Fate:
137: Err, no. We will have a claim for everyone, no matter what.
139: Why do scum want their whines heard? (I think our scumreads SHOULD talk, I will ask my scumreads to, that way we are getting info)
144: You are right about the playstyle thing. It should be null.
247: Don’t be sad, be glad. Anyways, please scumhunt instead of showing sadness over being excluded from an alliance, which is pretty small. I’m pretty sure others have been excluded too, not just you. Your contentless posts here compelled Cyberbob into posting nonsense too and it’s an anti-town discussion altogether.
254: Why would you ask for that? That doesn’t help town discussion. Big deal you insulted someone.
311: Why is Crazy town?. Agar pushing DH slot is fine, not lulz silly.
324: No it’s not. I like it.

Sudo:
142: Only comes into re-iterate that the four things Cyber told him he could commented on, weren’t worth commenting on. Very anti-town, not helping. Doesn’t even comment on Fate vs DH. Wtf.
199: Ok, so you call out Oman. Then you try to lay suspicion on someone else for not being called out on the same thing. But you do have a point in Thor being tunnely. I agree with your last point wrt to DH.
224: Err, why don’t you have an opinion on any of those things? Are you afraid to stick your neck out for the town or what?

Sociopath:
149: Why is LF not as town as everyone thinks? – Oh wait now I might believe you. Why did you think this early on anyways?

Crazy:
155: You backing of DH because you think scum wouldn’t do that? I think you are just afraid of taking the blame for his steamy wagon.
218: Isn’t that null? It can go either way. Hell I know, don’t know the guy.
227: How is Agar and SP scummy? Err you were on the wagon, were you not? Btw, does it seem like the people on the wagon are just on for the ride, or pushing it along?
269: Lol Crazy and your crazy omgus. Get off of Agar, I like that guy. Go back on Sudo, your vote is better there. Whoa you discern big quote walls as scummy? Thought those were town to you. Explain why Agar’s big post with a vote was scummy please. He left it because you seemed to have distanced on the wagon, wouldn’t you believe town would do that?
273: Why do you seem like you are ok with Punkin voting you? Did he give reasons later? What did you think of them if so?

Chkflip:
88: Ok, you have some scum reads, a lot of nulls, and two town reads. You explained your town read on Zito, but you didn’t say why Fate is town to you. Your comment to him would imply you think he is talking a lot, amirite? Please help me because I’m reading a bit too much into it.
163: “Forgets” to make a case. This makes his reason being a wagon attempt, then.
296: Pst, now you are pushing on Nobody Special from not posting even though there were others who had not posted much, such as the person I replaced? Come on, try to find another scum pick.
322: Good man. I might like you if you continue to do this.
384: Meh, Idc. Sudo is pretty anti-town, but Crazy is pretty questionable himself. What do you think of Sudo voting his null? (If I am to understand that was your reason)

Thor:
176: Why can’t scum be aggressive, simplistic, or ring leader like? Explain how DH exhibited these traits too. I’d think scum would be aggressive and simplistic if they are shifting suspicion off themselves and pointing out every little thing to get himself dug out his own grave.
Chkflip just wagoned, big deal.
So far Sudo just reads as Anti-town to me, not scummy. Explain that further please.
I do not believe that wagon was made of fail, stop trying to belittle town’s scumhunting. You should be on DH’s case for trying to lay craptraps.
258: I don’t give a fuck, whether if it’s my second or first time playing with crazy, that’s a stupid [ and crazy, pun intended] reason for him to get off. So meta doesn’t matter. I t’s obvious as plain day that Agar would be looking at Crazy’s actions within THIS game and not base it on others. Who cares what Crazy does as town or not, he can’t be off the hook because of doing it regardless of alignment. Don’t belittle Agar’s case because he didn’t use meta. You also call DH town, and llama too. All of you should die. Sudo is very anti-town and has trouble commenting and scumhunting, but you guys are really on his dick for that. You have a townread on DH, so obv you believe in the second scenario. I don’t believe town would really think that. If so, he has to get rid of the easy button.
267: So what. That doesn’t help reading Crazy.
349: What is YOUR read on Agar? What is your read on Llama? Crazy?

Agar:
193: I like you. *Nohomox10
256: I agree. I feel as though Crazy is really trying hard to distance off of the OBVTOWN DH.
297: Huh? Why did you use meta to declare Zito town, yet you would never use meta to clear a scumread as null/town? I feel as though you are a bit biased here. This is unfair to Crazy. (He still shouldn’t use dumb reasons)
298: Uh, why? He seems more null than scum.
376: Huh? Cmon, don’t go on NS. I feel as though you shifted to conform. I liked your vote on Crazy.

Llamafluff:
231: Why is Sp probably scum?
246: Uh, no. Great a town alliance of four people in an 18 man game.
250: Hmmm, wow. Most content I’ve seen from you, and I like it… I disagree, I like Fate’s aggro style.
303: Wow don’t you look town?
345: Get the fuck off of Agar. Town alliance my ass.
391: Bullshit. You only unvoted because he voted NS now…. (I think)

Cyberbob:
240: Wait what, can you quote those two things so I can compare them? What’s wrong with thinking the DH wagon was good? How is that post scummy? It seems null to me. He points out what he would do as town and mafia in regards to DH’s death. I’d read into it further but I’d like to know why you are pointing that out. Thing? That just seems like fluff to add to your three other points. Nice.
241: I could understand Sudo being scummy for 1. Not scumhunting 2. Not giving opnions 3. Not helping town. Now, you say he is scummy for not making sense, how would this favor scum and why is it scummy? Maybe, it would be consistent with Sudo not scumhunting, could agree with that. Hurr? Does that make Sudo scum > Socio town or what? Also I find Socio null, but not scummy. How does Fate’s preference of a player affect that player’s alignment?
242: Talk about playstyle stuff after the game damn it.
245: I disagree on all three. DH > Thor > Llama. Explain how he exhibits VI tells. Explain Fate’s case on himself please. I like Agar. NS I don’t really care about. Votes Punkin just to shut him up.
248: Stop being an asshole and scumhunt. (Not that Fate should post dumb shit either)
255: So what of that? You have a point, but big deal. Mafia is serious business. Even so, how does that help you with scumhunting? So fate insulted DH to the point of replacing out. Does that make him scum? No, just makes him a jerk. ;o
314: I agree. Chkflip is null, not scum. And the Crazy votes are fine bro.

Punkin:
272: I like that vote.
320: I agree. Lol.
388: Why did you let Thor get his way then? Why not fight it? You know, give your own reads instead of follow Thor.

Nachomamma:
288: Explain the vote on Chkflip. I do know he wagoned, and is targeting inactives, but I’d like to hear you explain it.
370: Then why did you do that if it’s not Impressive?
419: … Agar please respond. I have something to say about this.

Papa Zito:
337: Why? : [ I think Nacho > NS.
347: Whoa, I like you Zito. Llamapuff can die.
Nobody Special: What? No, NO DICE on Chkflip. He voted for inactivity though. Everyone was on your for lurking. It’s the same thing. He did what MANY others have done. You are just making it separate for him because he saw llamapluff posting in other games while lurking here. You only voted Chkflip to wagon him with Plum and others. Gtfo.

Plum:
355: Skimmed that post. Saw that vote, it’s really dumb. Get off him. Lotsa quotes fluffs up this post, don’t see much content from you. I’d lynch you waaayy before Chkflip.