Bloodbath in Camden - Game Over!

[GreyICE]

Toogaloo
Furcolow
LLD
King1216

Those are all good. Toog, because I just don't know. Furcolow annoys me too much for words, I HOPE he's scum, LLD because she's been all over the board in terms of reads, and King1216 because obv.

[Hiraki]

Hey everyone, I'm very aware the lynch mechanic means shorterned days so I'll try to get through an entire re-read today, if there's anything particular you want me to look out for upon re-reading state so now.

KING AND BEING SCUMMY.

Oh and populartajo too.

[Regfan]

I'm 18 pages into the game and I'm going to get coffee with a friend but I'll finish the rest after. Odds are this will change drastically between now and when I finish reading through the thread but in the meantime, here's some food for though:

populartajo is obvious town. Cooldog is obvious town. Hiraki is town. Toog is town. TheLonging is town. Grey is leaning town.

Slaxx is null. LL is null. Pine is null.

Tcl is probably scum. King is probably scum.

Furc I'm undecided on, my read on him flips every other post of his.

[Parama]

Not going to have access for most of tomorrow but hell shouldn't break loose within that amount of time. I'll check on my modded games before anything else as soon as I'm able to.

[GreyICE]

LETS ALL POST OUR ROLE PMS

[Slaxx]

How long until deadline?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

7pm CST on April 17th

[GreyICE]

UGH

Okay, what's the consensus on King's VT claim? Job for the vig?

If so, I'm NOT deadline lynching without a case, which means I'll be voting Furcolow until further notice, because I do not grasp the votes on TL.

Regfan:

Why is TCL scum?
Why is Slaxx null?
Why is Toog town?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I wouldn't lose sleep over a King vig-shot.

I think Furc needs rope badly.

[TheLonging]

I

think

king could be scum (sometimes it seems like he's town), but I am much more confident in Furc scum.

[TheLonging]

to clarify: I would not be surprised if king flipped scum, nor would I be surprised if he flipped town (mostly the former though). However, I WOULD be surprised if Furc flipped town, thus, I am more confident in Furc Scum

[GreyICE]

to clarify: I would not be surprised if king flipped scum, nor would I be surprised if he flipped town (mostly the former though). However, I WOULD be surprised if Furc flipped town, thus, I am more confident in Furc Scum

Anyone else, or are we down to those two options, in your opinion?

[GreyICE]

I wouldn't lose sleep over a King vig-shot.

I think Furc needs rope badly.

You're strongly for Furcolow scum?

[TheLonging]

I still think Toog is scum. I'm probably gonna do a reread when night hits, but as far as the 3 I listed, I'm sure scum is in there besides Furc. I'm not sure whether it's Toog or King. I don't understand what you mean by "are we down to these two options", like these are the only two. I understand deadline hits but you're saying like it's one OR the other.

[GreyICE]

I still think Toog is scum. I'm probably gonna do a reread when night hits, but as far as the 3 I listed, I'm sure scum is in there besides Furc. I'm not sure whether it's Toog or King. I don't understand what you mean by "are we down to these two options", like these are the only two. I understand deadline hits but you're saying like it's one OR the other.

Exactly. I was curious if your opinion was that it was one OR the other, or if you saw other viable options.

I'd still like a Toogaloo lynch, I haven't been impressed by his towniness at all. And I'm willing to accept a dark horse if someone has a very good case.

Lemme reread Toog and Furcolow, and see which I like better.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I wouldn't lose sleep over a King vig-shot.

I think Furc needs rope badly.

You're strongly for Furcolow scum?

It is my ONLY strong read at the moment.

Everything else has been muddled by Bob flipping town.

But I'm confident that when Furc flips scum, my reads will clarify themselves.

[GreyICE]

I wouldn't lose sleep over a King vig-shot.

I think Furc needs rope badly.

You're strongly for Furcolow scum?

It is my ONLY strong read at the moment.

Everything else has been muddled by Bob flipping town.

But I'm confident that when Furc flips scum, my reads will clarify themselves.

Meh that sounds almost like a bus.

Except that if you're both scum then I'd rather have you in the thread than Furcolow

[Hiraki]

I don't trust vigs. I don't think they like me now either.

[CooLDoG]

I'm here, catching up again. I would have been on sooner if it wasn't for a hail storm.

[CooLDoG]

I'm really sorry for my post. It's just that king is making me so angry.

@king, okay I was unclear in that post, mind quoting the post where I actually voted you? I think you should refer to that first.

Because you said that that was an rvs vote.

@sk/vig, kill king tonight plz and thx.

That is a

Bold-faced Lie

, I said no such thing. This goes against the entirety of my argument with CooLDoG as well, since the very basis of it is that CooLDoG himself claimed the vote was an RVS vote, when it clearly was not.

Vote: Deadline extension

Not claiming till it is actually time to claim, and that trick was kinda lame.

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@king, quote my post saying

explicitly

that my vote on you is rvs. And I mean my words=I voted for king for rvs reasons.
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Tempted to vote king for lieing about my rvs vote, and

joining the band wagon

. But, I want furc to post before I change my vote.

Conclusions from the last 2 posts:
1) if king is scum toogy is too.
2)King doesn't know the meaning of rvs.

@king, what reasons would you consider to be valid for an rvs vote? Are those reasons really that meaningful? And are they more meaningful then not giving reasons at all?
Don't you also think that you are taking what I said to absurd extremes? Remember I gave a clarification stating that there is no point

this

early in the game. And also are my reasons for voting you any less legitimate (possibly more) then

any other reasons in rvs?

Right there you say your vote was in RVS.

uhh hello! king, I can't understand what your point is. Lets just set this strait once and for all. I voted for you for real reasons. Why are you attacking me on that?

@tajo, you are so wifom. So the question is: Do we lynch a claimed power role instead of a vanilla townie? It seems to me that if we lynch the vanilla the worst case scenario is that we lynch a vanilla townie. The best is we lynch scum (naturally). If we lynch a power role worst case is we lynch the doc, best case is scum again. However, I do see a town motivation for your posting, because you are concerned about who to lynch.

I think the most productive thing the town can do is to read the game fully through during the night phase. That is what I'm personally going to do when the night hits.

[Regfan]

Finally completed an entire read through of this game. First of this game mechanic is incredibly mafia sided, therefore I'm assuming to attain a balance there would four mafia total, with three left alive meaning we should have multiple msylnches avaliable still.

CooLDoG - Town.

Intially the first few posts he had made me lean scum on him, however once the RVS period was over he has conistently town-told. The fact he shows willingless and intent to vote elsewhere from Bob here comes of as a major town-tell, mafia have no need to fight against a town lynch in this form of format, it just creates the chance a lynch might suddenly switch. The open admittance to finding a case against a lurker to be weak here also comes of as a major town-tell, if he was mafia he could simply undistrubt the flow. I also read posts #215, #231 and #358 from him as town-tells, I'll go into these later if anyone has any questions.

Popular - Town.

I'm not understanding how anyone had a scum-read on him at any point in this game becuase he's been by far the biggest town-read I've had throughout the entire read throughout of the thread. He openely admitted to having too many town reads here which again has no mafia motivation behind, stating multiple town-reads reduces the suspect pool of which they can lynch from. This is furthered by the fact that he voted Exe here, there was obvious intent towards moving the lynch elsewhere by the fact that the biggest suspect at the time King was in his town-reads. If kings mafia, then he has no need to defend one mafia to buss another, if Kings town he has no real need to defend a townie and buss his partner. I also read posts #155, #384, #387 and #426 from him as town-tells, again I'll go into these if needed.

Slaxx, please explain what made you believe popular was mafia earlier.

Toogeloo - Town.

Again not understanding the constant suggestion of his lynch, it seems to revolve entirely around the fact he was defending King during the RVS period and stated he believed King was town afterwards - I see neither of these being strong scum-tells whatsoever. He brings up Exes interactions with various players, notibaly himself and King an an attempt to show that they are town here and here, I've found mafia generally like to avoid discussion revolving around their dead partners. The biggest town-tell I've noticed from him is here if he were mafia he would have nill reason whatsoever to push the lynch towards GreyICE one of the loudest and most active players throughout this thread where there multiple possible lurkerlynches avaliable.

GreyICE - Town.

This read isn't as strong as my previous town-reads, but I don't see him as scum at all. I read this as a strong town-tell, pointing out the likely easy lynches in the thread has no mafia motivation behind it whereas it allows us to keep track of those pushing likely easy lynches. I probably shouldn't be reading into this but I find his suggestion and request for an extention deadline as a town-tell in some respect, mafia want days to be as short as possible to allow for town to be rushed into lynching and outing power-roles.

GreyICE, what possible advantages do you see in getting vig to shoot the VT claim and lynching elsewhere apart from reducing the chances of the vig hitting a power-role?

I need a break so I'll complete the rest of my reads later tonight. We still have two days until the deadline, right?

[KingTwelveSixteen]

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uhh hello! king, I can't understand what your point is. Lets just set this strait once and for all. I voted for you for real reasons. Why are you attacking me on that?
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Strawman argument.

I specified in the very last post about this, that was

quoted right there in that post even

, that this argument is - and always has been - about CooLDoG's claim (

which was also quoted right there

) that his vote was RVS when it clearly wasn't.

And trying to misrep my post where I point out where HE said it into saying that I was stating it is just stupid.

Stop the strawmanning. No way you are doing this accidentally. Never claimed the vote was RVS, never will. This whole thing is about CooLDoG saying it was RVS when it clearly wasn't.
As should be obvious.

(NOTE: SINCE IT IS NEVER OBVIOUS HERE ARE SOME QUOTES)

Conclusions from the last 2 posts:
1) if king is scum toogy is too.
2)King doesn't know the meaning of rvs.

@king, what reasons would you consider to be valid for an rvs vote? Are those reasons really that meaningful? And are they more meaningful then not giving reasons at all?
Don't you also think that you are taking what I said to absurd extremes? Remember I gave a clarification stating that there is no point

this

early in the game.

And also are my reasons for voting you any less legitimate (possibly more) then any other reasons in rvs?

So you are saying that your statement of "King screams scum it with his omgus vote and earlier posts, and toogelo defends him? What the fuck is wrong with scum players these days, are they incapable of knowing how to play?"

was part of an RVS vote? It clearly was not.

Any reason that is obviously random would be a valid RVS vote, and we would get at least a bit of information out of it. Giving no reasons gives absolutely no information, not even any help in determining if somebody is voting for actually thinking somebody is scum or just for RVS.

Absurd extremes? What did I take to any extreme?

Unvote
Vote: CooLDoG

1)King you really know how to misrepresent someone. Once I voted you I was out of rvs, me saying you omgused is my reasons to get out of rvs voting and vote for you.
2)So building up a wagon with more then a "random" ammount of players is bad. Because their reasons aren't truly random. And how do you know that those people didn't roll the dice at home and come up with your number?
3)What useful information will you gain from rvs reasons?
4)and, Could you determine soly of off rvs vote reasons if someone is scum or town? As you imply.
5)Absurd extremes= when I say you can't scrutinize a vote "this early in the game" and you come back and say, hay you are the guy who doesn't want to look at votes!
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1: Oh come on. RIGHT THERE you say "

are my reasons for voting you any less legitimate (possibly more) then

any other reasons in rvs?

"

clearly stating that your vote is an RVS vote.
...

also at king, my vote wasn't an rvs vote. You don't seem to get that.

Dude, I just quoted where you said that it was an RVS vote in my previous post about you. I am saying that

you

are the one who originally made a wierd claim about it being RVS, when it clearly wasn't.

I just remembered that Cooldog never explained why he tried to say his vote on me was RVS when it wasn't.

Unvote
Vote: CooLDoG

[Hiraki]

UGH.

BELIEVING KING.

MUST RESIST TEMPTATION TO AGREE AND BW ON.

[KingTwelveSixteen]

UGH.

BELIEVING KING.

MUST RESIST TEMPTATION TO AGREE AND BW ON.

[GreyICE]

GreyICE, what possible advantages do you see in getting vig to shoot the VT claim and lynching elsewhere apart from reducing the chances of the vig hitting a power-role?

I need a break so I'll complete the rest of my reads later tonight. We still have two days until the deadline, right?

At the moment even if King is scum we're going to learn approximately nothing from his lynch. After his performance today more or less mirrored his performance yesterday, any coaching in the QT was totally worthless, assuming he's scum. So he's being bussed.

I'd rather have a wagon that required some thought and effort, and have the scum die overnight. If the vig isn't down with that, I'll reconsider the lynch idea, but at the moment it just appears the easy lynch.

I rejected that day 2 in another game, for the reason that it was anti-town, and I do it again here.