Open 297 - Twofold Mafia (Game Over)

[ThAdmiral]

Lets end this

unvote

vote: iceguy

[Nikanor]

GAME OVER, MAN.

SCUM WIN.

[Scott Brosius]

well played. RICO ACT mvp

[ThAdmiral]

GG guys!

(?)

[Amrun]

Game sudenly got more amusing, but here's to hoping for a scum flip.d

[don_johnson]

hooray?

[ThAdmiral]

@ iceguy: If you are town you should list reads etc. If not don't bother.

[IceGuy]

Your first point doesn't make sense. Yes, more scum teams make wagons go faster, so a fast wagon =\= town.

More scum teams make town wagons go faster, because there are four players who want that lynch badly. For scum, that would only be two players.

Also, if you hadn't figured it out by now, that was an intentional fakehammer.

Of course.

Reaction is scummy but not overly so. You didn't leave your reads, just kind of questioned WHY ME again.

Yeah, because no matter what I say or do, it is construed as "scummy".

Also, I've already left my reads several times in this thread and have made several suggestions on who may be scum and why, but you have chosen to ignore this and follow a "IceGuy is scum because IceGuy is scum"-type reasoning.

So...somebody else wanna try an "intentional" fakehammer?

[Amrun]

You've already been hammered, iirc. And all you've said is, "look, Andrew is scummier than me!"

[IceGuy]

You've already been hammered, iirc.

No. ThAdmiral already had his vote on me before #250.

And all you've said is, "look, Andrew is scummier than me!"

I said, amongst other things, that Andrew actually showed the behavior I was accused of.

[Amrun]

You haven't just been accused of it; you've shown it.

Andrew may or may not be scum, but how woulld that excuse you from being scum?

[IceGuy]

You haven't just been accused of it; you've shown it.

Andrew may or may not be scum, but how woulld that excuse you from being scum?

As I said: I was accused of this behavior, but I did not show it. Or can you show me a player in this thread contributing significantly more to scumhunting than I did?

[ThAdmiral]

So...somebody else wanna try an "intentional" fakehammer?

My one was better than amrums.

[ConSpiracy]

So...somebody else wanna try an "intentional" fakehammer?

I'm sorry, I can't.

[neko2086]

Rico, I'm sorry for your loss, but perhaps you need to replace out. I'm really not liking the fact that people want to move on when we have had a player absent for the entire game.

Iceguy seems to have a really bad conception of how 2 scum factions work, in that he seems to be under the impression that they can somehow work together to quickwagon a townie. It's making me think he's town and just taking things at face value.

Scott hasn't responded to ThAd's question from a couple pages ago, and I'd like to see it.

Jackalope needs to respond to don as well. Also, looking back, he never actually gave a reason for wanting to hammer iceguy. It looks like he was just excited to have the attention off of himself.

[Amrun]

Um, I would go ahead and replace rico.

He has a shitload to deal with irl and by principle, I have refused to mention the game to him even to say "hey you've been prodded."

I think he's site-flaking. He's internet-flaking, actually.

If you all want me to tell him something, I will, but only with game consent.

And yeah, jackalope's eagerness to hammer looks terrible.

[Scott Brosius]

Arguing with oneself looks like presenting both sides of the coin and seeing which one town will accept more and going with that. Doesn't seem genuine.

[TheJakalope]

ISO on Don_Johnson

Tells from Town to Scum: T3, T2, T1, N, S1, S2, S3

Post 0: Starts with a voting block immediately. S1

Post 1: Answers questions. N

Post 2: Says to slowdown, even though there were only 6 pages at the time. N

Post 3: Says that he's not a big believer in meta, yet claims that Voting blocs have worked and to check his game history for when they have. S1

Post 4: Puts a vote on me without having read the thread, this is his scummiest post by far. S3

Post 5: Really pushing for my lynch at this point, still don't know if he's read the thread. S1

Post 6: Finally brings up reasons for his actions. T1

Post 7: Votes based on other's voting AGAIN, no reasons whatsoever. S1

Post 8: Says that we should lynch me, although his vote is still on iceguy, because it's the largest wagon. S2

Post 9: Actually brings up reasons to vote for me. (Even though he still doesn't change his vote) T1

Post 10: Voting Bloc - N-S1

Post 11: Trys to get more people to join his bloc. S1

Post 12: Scumhunting T2

Post 13: Fluff - N

Post 14: More support for a iceguy lynch N

Post 15: Fluff - N

There's more then enough in there for me.

UNVOTE

VOTE: Don_johnson

[TheJakalope]

EBWOP: Wow. The one time, I don't preview.. sorry, meant to have those expandable, rather then spoilered, really sorry.

[Amrun]

Can you repost it, please?

[TheJakalope]

ISO on Don_Johnson

Tells from Town to Scum: T3, T2, T1, N, S1, S2, S3

Post 0: Starts with a voting block immediately. S1

Post 1: Answers questions. N

Post 2: Says to slowdown, even though there were only 6 pages at the time. N

Post 3: Says that he's not a big believer in meta, yet claims that Voting blocs have worked and to check his game history for when they have. S1

Post 4: Puts a vote on me without having read the thread, this is his scummiest post by far. S3

Post 5: Really pushing for my lynch at this point, still don't know if he's read the thread. S1

Post 6: Finally brings up reasons for his actions. T1

Post 7: Votes based on other's voting AGAIN, no reasons whatsoever. S1

Post 8: Says that we should lynch me, although his vote is still on iceguy, because it's the largest wagon. S2

Post 9: Actually brings up reasons to vote for me. (Even though he still doesn't change his vote) T1

Post 10: Voting Bloc - N-S1

Post 11: Trys to get more people to join his bloc. S1

Post 12: Scumhunting T2

Post 13: Fluff - N

Post 14: More support for a iceguy lynch N

Post 15: Fluff - N

There's more then enough in there for me.

UNVOTE

VOTE: Don_johnson

[Amrun]

I've actually been thinking about don myself this game. Checked out his meta, seems to fit his scum meta a little better after a cursory glance.

Need to look at it properly.

[don_johnson]

i didn't say: look at my history to see when voting blocks worked. i was asked if they did, and i said: go find out. in my experience they always have. that point is non-sequitur. not believing strongly in meta has nothing to do with whether or not facts show that voting blocs work.

nothing scummy about voting you. whether i read the thread or not, my vote still puts pressure on you and helps progress the game.

iso 5: you say, "Really pushing for my lynch at this point, still don't know if he's read the thread. "

actual post is "if you think jak is town, then why have the vote on him in the first place?" the post isn't even directed at you. its a direct question to the player who unvotes you.

iso 7 is not :don voting on others. its don trying to keep the voting bloc organized.

iso 8: vote is on iceguy because of voting bloc, not because its the largest wagon.

iso 9: why would i change my vote at that time. voting bloc is on iceguy.

iso 10: me answering a question.

iso 11: you are incorrect. the number of players in the bloc does not change. i am dismissing some players and acknowledging others. bloc remains consistent in numbers.

iso 13: NOT FLUFF. try reading it again.

iso 14: says nothing about iceguy.

iso 15: whatever.

so are your numbers arbitrary, or do you actually have some sort of value attached to them? S3 for voting you sounds kind of alot, especially when compared with only T1 for bringing up reasons why you would make a good lynch. Maybe you could recount?

I've actually been thinking about don myself this game. Checked out his meta, seems to fit his scum meta a little better after a cursory glance.

Need to look at it properly.

this i gotta see. please post a meta case. please.

[Amrun]

I'm not going to post a meta case...

I think anyone reading can see the anti-town behavior that has only picked up when you are accused. You've been lurky and non-contrubitive.

I want to see if it's totally normal regardless of alignment or if I should be paying more attention to this behavior.

[don_johnson]

lurky? non-contributive?

those are some fancy words. do you know what they mean?