Balam wrote:
As for Unicorn Brethren, that's not a policy lynch. At least, it isn't for me. I've wanted them dead since yesterday, but everyone just went on their merry way as if my vote did not happen. Yeah, thanks for waiting until today to tell us we're off our rockers, despite most of you raging your heads off yesterday that they were playing like idiots and then, for some inane reason, refusing to lynch them off the face of the planet.
As for playing like idiots, that is why I believe them to be scum. On Day 1, they started off somewhat okay, and then their play went straight down the chute when people gave them the pass to be a 6-headed menace of a disaster. On Day 2, they continued that trolling behavior, going for weeks without any helpful contributions. Suddenly, today, they've decided they want to play again. SCUM BENEFIT FROM THIS SORT OF PLAY. TOWN DOES NOT.
This rush to defend Unicorn Brethren today pisses me off, and I'm willing to bet good money it stinks.
This is patently untrue. We have, from literally our first post, explained why Unicorn is town. Yes, their play was indeed anti-town, but not scummy. What I find especially odd is that you once criticized us for our nuanced opinion, when we stated that we sympathize with the dislike of Unicorn, but they're not scum. So clearly you read it. And yet, you're acting as though not wanting to lynch Unicorn Bretheren is some new development. This reeks of petulant scum, whinging that "they're playing so bad, what do you mean I don't get my mislynch?"
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Profane Confusion wrote:We've played in at least 5 forum games together on opposite sides and same sides, numerous face-to-face games together, and you really can't see I'm town here? Yos, are you scum?
I abhor posts like this. What it's doing, if you look under the surface, is threatening people into giving you townreads. There are very few people who can be so obviously town that merely suspecting them is a scumtell, and you are not among their ranks.
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Lord Fonzi wrote:
@Copper: If you had to choose between FES and FD right now (and I'm aware you don't) which would you choose?
In terms of individual play, we'd rather lynch FES by a mile. But look below for an associative problem we'd have with an FES lynch. (FinalDestination continues to be strongly town.)
More importantly, Balam and FES are almost certainly not scum together, so it would be foolish to lynch FES before Balam.
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I have to point this out, because it's really bugging me. I haven't talked it over in the QT but I think it should be said immediately.
Lord Fonzi wrote:
Your little analysis completely omits copper. There are nine alive. Copper is actually a player we are concerned about, because they sure sound good, but I can't actually think of anything particularly protown they've done.
Profane Confusion wrote:I agree with LF's 381 since I can't point to anything specifically pro-town that Copper has done all game either. So I'm concerned with how people are just ticking them off without really looking into them.
I began to ponder what exactly it is we aren't doing. We don't post as often as some other hydras, true (a pattern consistent throughout our games - quality over quantity), but we've been asking questions, voting, and all of that. The especially odd thing is that every lynch so far has been a mislynch.
And then I realized - some people have, simply by the pidgeonhole principle, voted for scum. Others have voted for town. And yes, those voting for scum have been more pro-town than those voting for town. Scum know who is doing what.
I can't help but feel that this accusation is an unconscious admittance from Fozni and Confusion that FES is townie. After our push on his wagon yesterday, it's certainly true that we haven't been as pro-town as those voting for scum. It feels as though we're being implicated for our efforts in securing a mislynch, before that mislynch is secured.
Of course, I don't have the arrogance to assume I've called the scumteam, and this single tell isn't worth voting off of. But I can't shake the feeling this is something important.
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Profane Confusion wrote:
For example, Copper, I don't really get your vote and case. It seems to amount to "Balam has been shady around FES wagons. Therefore Balam is either scum with FES or Balam is scum while FES is town and they're waiting for the FES flip to unleash some fury." The thing that puzzles me is I always got the impression that you thought FES was scum, so I don't get why you'd now choose to vote off-wagon for this kind of reason. Break it down for me?
Instead of breaking it down, I will build it up by mentioning a point made in QT that was not included in our last post. (Don't blame my comrade for that, I specifically asked to make this point personally. Sadly, I've had time issues of late.)
Start from the assumpion that Balam and FES cannot be scum together. A safe bet, in our view - when a scumbag is looking so close to being lynched, a hail mary defense in the style of Balam is just too risky.
Now, the scum are sitting in a fairly safe spot. They have a host of mislynches to chose from. And strategic scum, in those situations, don't simply bank the easiest one and leave it at that. They start thinking of HOW to get those mislynches.
FES is what could be called a "safe mislynch". Under incredible pressure from town, and playing with a vote-parking style that always leads to oblivion, sooner or later. Crucially, more FES posting is not so likely to improve their status.
Unicorn? A carnival of bad posting that is being correctly read by most of the thread. Still, there's enough dislike of them that a policy lynch could go through.
Gummybear? A lurker. But, and here is where it gets interesting, a lurker that
appears as though they will stop lurking.
Gummybear promised more time in the future. As well, Gummybear's vote on the FES wagon was poor.
So, secure the Gummybear mislynch first, then the Unicorn lynch (no one will ever policy lynch LYLO), and THEN revisit the well-prepared FES mislynch. Gummybear looked poised to improve, while FES has been apathetic all game.
Today's actions from Balam have been absolutely congruent with strategic scum. Unicorn is finally being something more than an albatross around our necks, and Equinox has literally used this as a point
against
them. We were frustrated with Unicorn for wasting a town slot; Balam is apparently frustrated they are using it. You are not content with a surge of content from Unicorn, so let's follow this thread a little longer: what would it take for you to view Unicorn as town?
Preview Edit:
Balam wrote:I can see that you guys are too much of a buncha sacks o' derp to lynch UB, and that's fine. We can let deliberately bad play intended to make everything that's scummy seem like a VI-tell and let failscum win the game. That's fine.
Ah, sour grapes. How unfair it is that Unicorn is correctly read as town with so minimal effort by almost every member of the town.
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YossarianFlavoredCayke: Why should we vote for FinalDestination?
This account is a hydra. It is listed as male for ease of pronoun use; this has no bearing on the genders of the hydra's heads.
Aside from that, this game's nigh near lylo if it isn't already there. 
