Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

[VasudeVa]

Bah fuck, didn't get scum. I thought for sure NS was scum when I replaced in. I suppose I'm reading the game then.

I'm gonna try something new. Give me a bullet points of what happened so far to aid me in my reading. Help me get a read on you. Thx.

[Hoppster]

• Day one
  - Twistedspoon spams scummy posts and defends himself with WIFOM.
  
• He claims, turns out Hazard also apparently has the same role, but at the same time Amrun's PM says TS's role is scum.
  
• We lynch Twistedspoon... he's not scum.
  
• Day two
  - Nobody died overnight.
  
• Hazard reveals he visited Kalofer and this gave them a QT, and Kalofer had the same role as Hazard.
  
• Kalofer visited me and got 'Action failed', I part-claim.
  
• Stels claims to be a Candy Animal - with no goodies.
  
• I propose a plan, gets little support, we lynch Stels... he's not scum.

Hazard, did you visit me?

Just quoting to make sure you don't miss this.

[Morthas]

KALOFER, NOOO!!!!
Sigh, a Zoo Visitor had died. Awfully convenient for Hoppster but that is WIFOM, wtvr
I want to see VasuVasu's thoughts and a few other's reaction, especially Hazard.

[Hoppster]

@ Morthas: Hazard could have, and SHOULD HAVE, still visited me. That's why I'm eager to hear back from him.

[Amrun]

I'm still at a loss why no one visited me n1. Seems like a no-brainer... I don't think anyone did.

[Hoppster]

I'm still at a loss why no one visited me n1. Seems like a no-brainer... I don't think anyone did.

We have nothing to suggest that you'd know if people visited you yet, but that's a good point...

I targeted kalofer.

Ummm, why?


Amrun, you should have brought this up before/shoved it in our faces more explicitly if you did and we ignored you. >>

[Amrun]

Idk if I would know or not, but no one claimed to have visited me.

I didn't mention it d2 because i didn't want to plant ideas. I wanted to see what Hazard would say.

Then when he claimed Kalofer I didn't know what to think of that. And Kalofer claimed you and I was just like "..."

[Stels]

Bah.
Told you so.
Go town.

[Kalofer]

I KNEW IT!
I HOPE YOU ALL GET DIABETES YOU GOD AWFUL SCUM!

Good luck town and btw stels your new avatar sucks (even more than your previous ones)

[ToastyToast]

@vezok: there is no way I'm agreeing to a mass claim. Why do you keep role fishing? isn't it obvious that it fucked us up in that two Zoo visitors are now dead?

[Zyrconium]

Scummiest person + scummy role = not scum, sadface.

Summary as best I can(dropping everything at 1 vote for less spammyness.):

Late RVS

Vote count 1

Twistedspoon (3) - Hoppster, Zyrconium, Hazard with a Glove
Zyrconium (3) - Stels, ToastyToast, mb53
Kalofer (2) - Morthas, crazypianist1116
Amrun (2) - Nobody Special, vezokpiraka

After TS Defends

Vote count 2

Twistedspoon (6) - Hoppster, Zyrconium, Hazard with a Glove, Morthas, vezokpiraka, Kalofer
Zyrconium (3) - Stels, ToastyToast, mb53

After TS claims

Vote count 3

Zyrconium (4) - Stels, ToastyToast, mb53, Twistedspoon
Twistedspoon (2) - Hoppster, Hazard with a Glove

<snip>

I believe this was the first count after Amrun claimed "bad people want our goodies", this was badly phrased... and badly interpreted.

Vote count 10

Twistedspoon (5) - Amrun, Nobody Special, Hazard with a Glove, Hoppster, vezokpiraka
Zyrconium (3) - Stels, mb53, ToastyToast
Hazard with a Glove (2) - crazypianist1116, Morthas

<snip>

And 4 days later:

Vote count 13

Twistedspoon (7) - Amrun, Nobody Special, Hazard with a Glove, Hoppster, vezokpiraka, ToastyToast, Kalofer
Hazard with a Glove (3) - crazypianist1116, Morthas, Stels

Twistedspoon, Zoo Visitor, lynched Day 1

No one was killed N1

Beyond that there was a lot of bickering and wagons going every which way(by which I mean a 3-4 way tie that stagnated for like 10 days)

Vote Count 16

Hazard With a Glove (3) - Morthas, crazypianist1116, Stels
Nobody Special (2) - mb53, Kalofer
Morthas (2) - vezokpiraka, Hazard With a Glove

Vote Count 17

Hazard With a Glove (4) - Morthas, crazypianist1116, Stels, Nobody Special
Nobody Special (3) - mb53, Zyrconium, Kalofer
Morthas (2) - vezokpiraka, Hazard With a Glove
Zyrconium (2) - ToastyToast, Amrun

And then 3 days after the 1st vote on Stels(since when I unvoted him), Stels was dead.

Nobody Special is being replaced as per his request.
crazypianist1116 has picked up his prod.

Vote Count 22

Stels (7) - Hoppster, crazypianist1116, Amrun, ToastyToast, vezokpiraka, Zyrconium, Kalofer
Hazard With a Glove (2) - Morthas, Nobody Special
...
crazypianist1116 (1) - Stels

Stels, Muscial Monkey (Vanilla Candy Animal) in posession of

No Goodies,

lynched Day 2

Fuck, wall post.... this is why I was so tempted to ignore VV's call for summaries.

[Amrun]

So what are your conclusions from that, Zyrconium?

I may try to do some VCA in a bit, but I've never done it before so I'm a little nervous to screw up.

[Hazard with a Glove]

Vote: Hoppster

I would have tried to wagon him before Stels died, but you all had to go kill him before I got on.

No, Hoppster I did not target you. Hoppster is obviously trying to get all of the Zoo Visitors to use their ability on one person. And if he does the ability he says he does, then it would be a waste anyway/ Just think about it. He wants all the possible town PRs to use their PR in a hope that they'll get something, but most likely not. It'd be stupid to do that for 2 or 3 nights straight and even not getting anything. And he can just say, "Oh well I wasn't ready to not use the ability."

I visited Zyrconium. And I did get soemthing.

[Amrun]

Why did you decide to visit Zyrconium?

Why didn't you target me either night?

[Amrun]

Zyrconium, were you aware that you were stolen from?

[Hazard with a Glove]

I chose at random.

[Amrun]

Why would you choose at random?

Why not choose me, whom you know has candy?

Did you have any thoughts about Zyrconium's alignment before this? Do you have any now?

[ToastyToast]

@Hazard: If Hoppster wants all Zoo Visitors to target someone, then why does he want himself targeted? May just be a phrasing issue

waiting for some more input from people

[Hazard with a Glove]

I could use information on everyone, but I can't visit everyone. Solution, random.
What is it with you and not being chosen? If I know your role, why do I need to visit you (not saying I know his role for sure, just what he's told us). I'm not doing this just so get candy, it's the information.
Before this, not really. Now my best guess is Candy Animal.

@Toasty Because he may have the ability to make our power roles (if used on him, at least) null and void.

[Amrun]

Do you think Zyrconium is town, then, Hazard?

[Hazard with a Glove]

I thought that was obvious. Town.

[Amrun]

So do we think candy animals can't be scum?

I am inclined to think so, but if we are wrong, we might be truly fucked.

[Amrun]

Also, I'm fairly certain VV just committed Amished's scumtell. Not sure if troll.

[Hoppster]

WTF HAZARD

I SPECIFICALLY ASKED YOU TO TARGET ME

EGEJGOIRJGO

I DIDN'T HIDE MYSELF LAST NIGHT AND YOU PROBABLY COULD HAVE CONFIRMED ME AS TOWN

AND NOW I'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO EACH NIGHT NOW PREVENT THE SCUM KILLING ME

AND YOU'RE LIKE "LOL YOU WERE TRYING TO TRICK ME"

SERIOUSLY, WTF?! >>

I would have tried to wagon him before Stels died, but you all had to go kill him before I got on.

No, Hoppster I did not target you. Hoppster is obviously trying to get all of the Zoo Visitors to use their ability on one person. And if he does the ability he says he does, then it would be a waste anyway/ Just think about it. He wants all the possible town PRs to use their PR in a hope that they'll get something, but most likely not. It'd be stupid to do that for 2 or 3 nights straight and even not getting anything. And he can just say, "Oh well I wasn't ready to not use the ability."

I visited Zyrconium. And I did get soemthing.

Aaaand this is all BS. As I've said, I didn't hide last night, and the plan was that you'd only need to do it for the one night if you did what I said, the stuff about every night was to throw the scum off-scent. But no, you decided that you were just going to go with random.org or whatever.

And what makes you think Zoo Visitors are all the possible Town PRs? The reason I wanted ALL ZOO VISITORS to target me was because it was painfully obvious to me that as soon as I suggested the plan, if they weren't going to kill me (and I didn't think they were going to kill me) that they would be killing a Zoo Visitor.


And trying to wagon me? What's this?

Sorry, pretty busy irl, with Track in full swing and lots of projects in school etc. I'm just checking up really.
But I', apposed to a Stels lynch, I'm really not convinced and nothing he's done seems damning. IMO, I'm thinking scum is on this wagon, cause I really haven't seen much reason at all for this.

Uh-huh, here was your vague post opposing the Stels wagon without addressing my case AT ALL, and then your vague non-specific attack followed by NO VOTE which now lets you say "WELL I MEANT HOPPSTER". No, that's not going to work, sorry.


Your reason provided for targetting Kalofer is also a steaming heap of BS.

Because I didn't understand how he knew TS was town and I figured it give me information.

WAIT THAT SEEMS AWFULLY FAMILIAR

Next, don't lynch TS. Just don't, it WILL be a mislynch.

MMHHM, THOUGHT SO.

So how come you had mysterious reasons for thinking Twistedspoon was town, yet Kalofer does as well and it doesn't occur to you that you have the same mysterious reasons?

VOTE: Hazard

@Hazard: If Hoppster wants all Zoo Visitors to target someone, then why does he want himself targeted? May just be a phrasing issue

waiting for some more input from people

Okay, my thinking was admittedly quite selfish, but when it turned out we were lynching Stels and thus couldn't use the 'Zoo Visitor-Cop target Stels' plan, my plan was to confirm myself as town. There have been suspicions about my role as a scum fake-claim or whatever, and I wanted to prove my hiding was OPTIONAL - and I thus had a role that would be extremely improbable to be in the hands of scum imo.

The reason all Zoo Visitors were needed to target me was because it was very likely imo that one (and it was probably going to be Kalofer) would be killed, and then I'd be held responsible. This problem would not occur if ALL ZOO VISITORS targeted me.


@ Amrun: I'm waiting for follow-up posts and discounting that first post by Vas as null.

[Morthas]

@Hoppster: As much as i love to see Hazard votes i get scum vibes from how you always target easy targets. I'm starting to doubt my read on him, he seems like a VI now
Can i presume you have used your secondary ability since you didn't hide this night?

@Hazard: COULD YOU FUCKING STOP FUCKING IGNORING ME