If that's the case then he'll likely have to be hammered by deadline to avoid a no-lynch.Darkcoffeejazz wrote:Well that's all well and good, MOI, but this is assuming he hasn't given up and quit the game already without telling us. I'm really getting sick of all the replacements, tbh.
Quite frankly - I'm not going to repeat my reasoning. I've made it clear in thread and we've been round and round about it. Unless you have something new to add to the discussion I'm not really interested in rehashing things. I'm not trying to convince you that you are scum. Others have clearly indicated that they've seen enough of the argument.Mogri wrote:I'm still here.
It sounds like I've got four different votes on me for four different reasons. Can you four explain your votes?
Can you please show where mogri answered for Zengarbolt? I must be overlooking it. I am guessing he answered the L-2 question which you are so hung up about. I am not sure how that was a strong bases for a case on Zengar.Space Pope wrote: My two biggest suspiciouns are/were Mogri and Zengarbolt. Don't have access to my notes right now, but from memory it revolves around Mogri's loaded question/refusal to answer, going off on fallacies. Zengar is less so now. I felt he was actively lurking (but that is now striken), and I when I asked Zengar to elaborate on something and he didn't AND Mogri tried to answer for him, I felt a bit of a connection. I was waiting for Zengar to participate and then try and see if Mogri would continue answering his questions or that he would somehow post something that would either link them moreso or would be flat out scummy.
No, he absolutely should not claim if no-one indicates intent to hammer. If he does not receive a 5th vote by deadline he will not be lynched. There is no Pro-Town reason to claim, if Town, and possibly narrow down the pool of potential Town Power Roles.TOGTFO wrote: Mogri should claim but I will not be hammering on him. I do not see him as mafia, at least not at this point. I find others more likely scum.
Because it's not the only time in this thread I've said "I think player X means Y." If that's the sole basis for your vote, please reconsider.Mogri wrote:Pretty sure he means scum (or town) wouldn't place the L-1 vote at that point.Space Pope wrote:Don't understand the whole prevention part. Are you saying that scum wouldn't put someone at L-2 because it would be too suspicious?ZengarZombolt wrote:EBWOP:Actually this holds true. Until the votes are presented with proper reasoning, you can't really have them count as being actually there unless we had a very dangerous case like L-1 or a full lynch. But on those cases, scumtells would have been oh so obvious, almost sacrificial. You could say that voteMagnaofIllusion wrote: Your response was to not directly answer but first show how the wagon on Project was baseless (in your opinion) and then to try to say that the RVS votes mean Rocky was not really at L-2.preventedscum from voting further on Rocky since it would have been very suspicious with what little reasoning there is normally so early.
Whether we have ‘time’ to find another lynch or not isn’t relevant to whether Mogri should claim. You’ve stated you aren’t going to hammer. So has Project.TOGTFO wrote:Me stating I dont plan on hammering does not mean that the other three people will not. I doubt that in the time we have left we will find another lynch, especially since this game has moved into super slow mo. I would prefer a claim before someone hammers.
Please explain how you think the wagon on Mogri is “quick”. Here are the dates for each vote on Mogri –Project wrote:I find it pretty funny how quickly the wagon kind of fell on Mogri. I could be completely wrong at this point, but I'm pretty sure that if somebody hammers at the point, Mogri will flip town.
You are correct. I did. Just as I did when Mogri first started asking about it. I wanted as long as possible to get a sense of Jason’s play here. I’m currently neutral leaning scum on him. The hallmark of Jason’s scum play is passivity. Scum Jason doesn’t build cases or attack people and is content to play defense and coast. Early on in the Day Jason was actively questioning players and being pro-active. However since he voted for Mogri he’s gone into a much less active pattern. He’s been content to post that he’s catching up and engaged only Mogri. While the game isn’t very fast-pased the fact that he’s slowed considerably in his play is suspect.Project wrote:Also, MOI, you completely ignored my question on the previous page, please answer it.
Yes it was that. It made me look at Zengar. His actively lurking made it seem like mogri was helping him lurk, if that makes sense. It wasn't a strong connection like I said, but I wanted Zengar to participate more and I was trying to see if I could form a connection from that (which is why I didn't say my number 2 suspect to tip Mogri off).TOGTFO wrote:Can you please show where mogri answered for Zengarbolt? I must be overlooking it. I am guessing he answered the L-2 question which you are so hung up about. I am not sure how that was a strong bases for a case on Zengar.Space Pope wrote: My two biggest suspiciouns are/were Mogri and Zengarbolt. Don't have access to my notes right now, but from memory it revolves around Mogri's loaded question/refusal to answer, going off on fallacies. Zengar is less so now. I felt he was actively lurking (but that is now striken), and I when I asked Zengar to elaborate on something and he didn't AND Mogri tried to answer for him, I felt a bit of a connection. I was waiting for Zengar to participate and then try and see if Mogri would continue answering his questions or that he would somehow post something that would either link them moreso or would be flat out scummy.
Bullshit. I addressed this back when we discussed it. I explained quite clearly what I thought to be a Town response.Mogri wrote: If MoI is indeed scum, then this was an excellent play on his part. You'll notice he made no attempt to address or deny the fact that the question was loaded.
Would it be a natural response? Maybe. Would it have cleared me of suspicion? No.MagnaofIllusion wrote:A reaction of “Oh, so I did … I guess you could say I might be scummy if you choose but I’m placing my vote on who I think is scum” or something similar would have been a natural response.
You explained your read on him, but that does not explain why you two have never once talked to each other, despite being two of the most active players in the thread.Mogri wrote:You two have not exchanged words once in eight pages of posts. I would like an explanation from both of you.
Yeah, ironic.Jason wrote:Morgi saying people avoid answering things... ironic eh?