Bloodbath in Camden - Game Over!

[populartajo]

toogelo is obvtown btw.

[populartajo]

why?, you ask.

I would also say that I am shocked he flipped scum. I honestly was getting a town vibe from him due to his eagerness and posting reads the way he was.

This leads me to believe that the extra kills at night are coming from a Serial Killer. I cannot fathom how a town-aligned vig could look at these posts and consider them scum and worth shooting Regfan over after his limited involvement in the game. My guess is that the Serial Killer was aiming for someone eager and pro-town in appearance and happened to hit Scum... again.

From these posts, King should be considered town at this point. Scum down a member, would not continue to bus their scum buddy (from the second post) who was just as close to being lynched yesterday as Town-furc was.

I would also guess that scum was weaved into the "Town reads" He has multiple town reads listed, so I am willing to bet at least one member that Regfan called town is probably scum.

This is very good analysis.

[GreyICE]

SUP GREYICE,

LET ME INTRODUCE YOU MY FRIEND CALLED CASE.

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http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2950465
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2950484
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p2950521

I know what you're going to say YOU DIDN'T CALL HIM SCUM OUTRIGHT but pointing out contradictions + anger + saying he did it on purpose = implying he's scum.

I can call people scum outright, but I think it's more fun when I make it obvious and show why someone's scum.

YOU DIDNT CALL HIM SCUM OUTRIHGT
Actually, yeah.
Compare your reaction to his contradictions

So you probably did it on purpose.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

and compare your reaction to Furc scumminess.

I'm going to pressure this scum.

lynchlynchlynch

And thats exactly my point.

You did a terrible job when you bussed Exe.

SUP TAJO

I WAS HOPING YOU HAD AN ACTUAL CASE

THAT'S FUCKING BULLSHIT AND THIS WAGON IS FUCKING BULLSHIT AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SCUM IN REG'S TOWN READS I'M STARTING HERE.

[GreyICE]

Okay, we've had two mislynch wagons.

[9] bobsnox

- Lady Lambdadelta, GreyICE, Toogeloo, Hiraki,

Empking

, TheLonging,

Slaxx

, KingTwelveSixteen,

Exe

[7] Furcolow

- TheLonging, Lady Lambdadelta, Pine, populartajo, KingTwelveSixteen, tclawren,

Slaxx

With Regfan avoiding the wagon yesterday, and Shattered (NS) off the wagon on day 1, I'm going to say that of our two remaining scum, at least one and probably both are on this list.

I'm not so sure scum WOULDN'T distance from King1216 right now. He's probably going to get lynched at some point, and with only one member down filing him under 'scummy we can lynch later' means that if things are going well and you need town cred he can go, if you don't, meh. He was late on both mislynches (although the first was weird due to the quickhammer).

You know my opinion on Tajo.

Exe, King, Tajo, Regfan/NS? This seems desperately like my 'village idiot scumteam' earlier, what with NS' lurky play and Exe's quick hammer, and King and Tajo's play in general.

What's everyone else's opinion on Toogaloo? LLD? Hiraki? Pine?

[GreyICE]

And by the way, don't make me make a town case on TheLonging.

[CooLDoG]

holy fucking shit. No body pmed me that the day started. Catching up...

Mod, do this next time or face my not so potent wrath.

[CooLDoG]

toogy was bad early on but has made some good posts. LLD I find scummy. I don't like how she hops on wagons, this is mostly my below average gut talking. HI is tonw. Pine is null. Some times I get town vibes, sometimes I get scum...

I know this vote will not go very far... but

vote: lld

I just feel that she needs some pressure...

[TheLonging]

What's everyone else's opinion on Toogaloo? LLD? Hiraki? Pine?

Toog is on my scumlist. LLD is barely on my townlist. Raikiri is just flat out obvtown. And Pine makes some very townie posts, so I think he's town.

[GreyICE]

Pine is damn good at sounding town. But he's voting for someone who is damn near obvtown to me, with this reasoning:

I got the same King-town feeling as you did from reading those posts.
Notice how TheLonging goes from "Town" in the first list to "Unsure" in the second one? I'm thinking that was to sound a little less effusive about his buddy.
VOTE: TheLonging
Full case coming soon. I know I've been promising it, I'll follow through later.

And I'm starting to like King scum again, if only because suspicion seems to have fallen off like water when all he did was vote for two townies and be the counterwagon to two town.

Pine.
Case.
King town.
TL scum.

NOW.

[GreyICE]

BLAH PEOPLE DO YOU SEE IT

159 - When bob flips scum, TheLonging is probscum. He lists Bob as scum, and yet doesn't vote or even talk about joining the wagon?

Congrats exe, I voted him, and you hammered bob.

Wow, you can read.

Hmm, you're right. I somehow missed that you had voted him before you finished reading. My bad there.

Exe we were waiting for a fucking claim, that is why we're mad.

And because you can't read at the fact that I voted bob.

And you voted bob thinking it was a L-1.

So you probably did it on purpose.

I voted knowing it was L-1. I hammered because Bobs is scum. He did nothing to defend himself, even though he had a bunch of time.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2950465
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2950484
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p2950521

I know what you're going to say YOU DIDN'T CALL HIM SCUM OUTRIGHT but pointing out contradictions + anger + saying he did it on purpose = implying he's scum.

I can call people scum outright, but I think it's more fun when I make it obvious and show why someone's scum.

Especially the case guys.

Scum doesn't do that when pushing a mislynch. Not unless they're good scum or the townie is nigh suicidal.

[GreyICE]

Seriously.

Scum don't just build cases by highlighting actions of players that are scummy. They tend to 'explain' to the town why the townie's actions are scummy. Here he just calls things out, and watches people's reactions.

He's been consistent in his targets. He's fishing for scummy reactions. He follows up. He's been honest in his play. Fuck, I thought Furcolow was scum until that AMAZING L-1 vote. And Bob was a pressure wagon that caught us scum in any case (Exe got shot).

P.S. What sort of Serial Killer shoots Exe?

[KingTwelveSixteen]

Seriously.

Scum don't just build cases by highlighting actions of players that are scummy. They tend to 'explain' to the town why the townie's actions are scummy. Here he just calls things out, and watches people's reactions.

He's been consistent in his targets. He's fishing for scummy reactions. He follows up. He's been honest in his play. Fuck, I thought Furcolow was scum until that AMAZING L-1 vote. And Bob was a pressure wagon that caught us scum in any case (Exe got shot).

P.S. What sort of Serial Killer shoots Exe?

...Well, there is that

mystery mechanic.

Maybe the odd night-kills have to do with that?

[GreyICE]

Seriously.

Scum don't just build cases by highlighting actions of players that are scummy. They tend to 'explain' to the town why the townie's actions are scummy. Here he just calls things out, and watches people's reactions.

He's been consistent in his targets. He's fishing for scummy reactions. He follows up. He's been honest in his play. Fuck, I thought Furcolow was scum until that AMAZING L-1 vote. And Bob was a pressure wagon that caught us scum in any case (Exe got shot).

P.S. What sort of Serial Killer shoots Exe?

...Well, there is that

mystery mechanic.

Maybe the odd night-kills have to do with that?

Like some sort of odd night vigilante/even night SK pair? And the even night SK happened to hit scum because he was trying not to overlap with the town? Or maybe a SK who wins off points and gets points for shooting scum on odd nights and town on even nights?

Oh who the hell knows. It'll probably be something odd, and I'm not playing the setup speculation game. Two dead scum, we lynch scum suspects from here on out, instead of a quickhammer day 1 and a wagon that should have been dismantled after the Tajo vote (but instead picked up steam) day 2, and we'll be good.

[Hiraki]

Yeah, so Tajo's play has become quite annoying. I could do with his lynch, but have a greater preference on King.

Starting not to like LLD, not sure if I didn't like her, but her first D3 posts in defense of GreyICE are meeeh at best. I could support a pressure wagon. However, I don't think we need that, at least right now. LLDscum/town will come out, with or without pressure.

Eh... I don't see Tajo and TL as scum together.

I got the same King-town feeling as you did from reading those posts.

Notice how TheLonging goes from "Town" in the first list to "Unsure" in the second one? I'm thinking that was to sound a little less effusive about his buddy.

VOTE: TheLonging

Full case coming soon. I know I've been promising it, I'll follow through later.

Can we agree that if no one is, somehowingly, not willing to lynch King today, that we get rid of Tajo/TL? Even though King is somewhat confirmed in my eyes, I can listen to logic and reason. Like the rest of you meatbags.

I can agree on the validity of a SK roaming around, however, I like the Vigilante better. I can someone here being a vig, but no talkies, obviously.

Btw. I agree with ICE. I don't like Tajo's case. He's looking for literal things. In my head, that's scum trying to scumhunt without giving out any reasonable tells. They want to find scum, and they're trying to push everyone that this person is scum.

Y'know.

Like that used car salesman that's trying to sell you a replica of the Batmobile, only that it's obviously a truck.

And by the way, don't make me make a town case on TheLonging.

And Pine makes some very townie posts, so I think he's town.

Defense noted.

Oh who the hell knows. It'll probably be something odd, and I'm not playing the setup speculation game.

Agreed, especially because it's Parama though.

Fuck man. Playing mind games with Parama is not good for your head.

[populartajo]

And by the way, don't make me make a town case on TheLonging.

Im waiting for it.

[populartajo]

What's everyone else's opinion on Toogaloo? LLD? Hiraki? Pine?

Toogaloo: town since day 1 and his defense of king.
LLD: town and wrong.
Hiraki: slight town read for activeness.
Pine: meh, slight town because I agree with him but this is the one I need a reread of.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki: slight town read for activeness.

I'm not even

that

active.

[populartajo]

UPDATED

town

11. Hiraki
12. Lady Lambdadelta

16. Slaxx

TOWN
14. Toogeloo
-------- small gap
09. tclawren
10. Me=Weird

02. Furcolow

TOWN

neutral

06. KingTwelveSixteen NEW

03. Empking

TOWN
04. CooLDoG

05. Shattered Viewpoint

SCUM
07. GreyICE

scum

08. bobsnox

TOWN
13. TheLonging

15. Exe

SCUM

Confirm Vote: TheLonging.

Case: scummy relationships with Exescum (inconsistencies in his attacks) and with RegfanSCUM (inconsistencies on reads).

[populartajo]

From isos and from people I get the impression are active posting:

LL: 4 pages of posts.
Greyice: 4 pages of posts.
Tajo: 4 pages of posts.
Hiraki: 4 pages of posts.

Yeah I think you are that active.

[populartajo]

^^answer to this.

Hiraki: slight town read for activeness.

I'm not even

that

active.

[TheLonging]

And by the way, don't make me make a town case on TheLonging.

And Pine makes some very townie posts, so I think he's town.

Defense noted.

Did I miss something?

[GreyICE]

And by the way, don't make me make a town case on TheLonging.

Im waiting for it.

And I'm waiting for you to stop being obvscum in my thread.

I just need to convince five people.

If you want bullet points:

1) Lets start here.

Scum: Furcolow, King, Toog, bob
Split right down the middle: Empking
Town: Slaxx, LL, Raikiri, populartajo, GreyICE

What does he do?

He pushes his votes and wagons hard:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2959900

He rides Furcolow and Toog. He's basically one of the louder proponents of Furcolow scum.

And what does he do today? He seems to be reevaluating.


Whereas what do you do, Tajo?

1) You start yelling that TL is scum midday day 2.
2) All of a sudden you jump on a wagon he's been a very vocal proponent of.
3) Today you go back to his wagon.

So you're obviously someone who cares a lot about what TL posts. When you voted yesterday did you think "Well, TL was probably bussing Exe AND Furcolow day 1, he hates his fucking scumteam?" Or did you think "I see a wagon that could go to lynch on town?"

I don't see any sort of argument that you thought you were moving from scum wagon to scum wagon with TL's opinion on Furc so damn apparent.

[GreyICE]

I mean you realize at the point where he was bussing fur and Exe, his 4th partner was fucking ShatteredViewpoint/NobodySpecial, who was getting lurker lynched eventually at the rate things were moving.

So basically he'd have been tossing his entire scumteam in the toilet. On day 1 in a game with a 'mystery mechanic.'

[populartajo]

He rides Furcolow and Toog. He's basically one of the louder proponents of Furcolow scum...

And? Why cant scum be a louder proponent of someone who (now we know) was an easy target?

And what does he do today? He seems to be reevaluating..

And? Isnt this a null tell? all players do that.

Whereas what do you do, Tajo?
1) You start yelling that TL is scum midday day 2.

So?

2) All of a sudden you jump on a wagon he's been a very vocal proponent of.

why do you like me repeating myself?

Re: Furc vote. Its not a weak vote. We were locked with a lot of people wanting to lynch Furc, with an impeding deadline and HE HADNT EVEN CLAIMED.

What is the logical step? Dont do anything? Yeah, sounds like something scum would do when you know the top wagon is on town. Bpnus points because he could be a PR.

3) Today you go back to his wagon.

Yeah, I dont backtrack on my reads.

So you're obviously someone who cares a lot about what TL posts. When you voted yesterday did you think "Well, TL was probably bussing Exe AND Furcolow day 1, he hates his fucking scumteam?" Or did you think "I see a wagon that could go to lynch on town?"

First, he didnt "bus" Exe. He never called him scum, he went something like "quote scummy post and mmmmmmmmm". Thats why I attacked him day 2.
Second, he didnt bus Furc because Furc is town.

So thats why TL is town and why I am scum?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Tajo: The first two quote strips are GI talking about TL.