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Magua Jack of All Trades
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*snores*
Tomorrow, Zdenek
Then Twilight Sparkle
Then LynchMePls or Locke Lamora-
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Magua Jack of All Trades
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Of those voting me, danakillsu is dumbtelling like no tomorrow. I defy any of you to say he's not town. Locke, on the other hand, has been scummier than a fish tank that hasn't been cleaned for years.-
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we were writing up our suspicions in QT but then Mina's power went out or something (she just dropped) and sotty had to sleep
luckily, it seems like people are seeing what we're seeing without us having to write shit! I'd be paranoid if it wasn't the conf. towns. so I'm just gonna post what we have in it's unpolished, embroynic state
Quotes picked by Sotty: Mina had more to say on this but electicity is a fickle mistress (assuming that is what actually happened)
Sotty's commentary on these quotes:
So yeah. let's lynch Magua.
Vote: Magua(L-1)
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i wash my hands of dis"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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Magua Jack of All Trades
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*snores*
Tomorrow, Zdenek
Then Twilight Sparkle
Then LynchMePls or Locke Lamora-
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Magua Jack of All Trades
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Locke's play is on par with SK who doesn't want to accidentally hit scum. Very cautious. He's trying to suss out his suspect and then vote someone else. He's not trying to find the person where his scumread's the highest -- he's trying to find the person where his townread's the highest that he can still get lynched.
Twilight's play is just bad. I stand by my "you only suspect me when I'm voting you" comment. Despite that, I can see the possibility of Twilight-town-who-can-go-six-days-only-voting-town. Twilight-lynch D8 after Zdenek-lynch D7 is a sheer PoE exercise.
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Locke Lamora Mafia Scum
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So here's the thing, Magua. I'm way behind in the game. I do as much catching up as I can. I find a contradiction with your claim in your posts. I ask you to explain, so instead of you explaining, you complain that I haven't voted. So I vote...and you just proceed to argue how scummy I am. What is your focus here? Because to me it looks like you're just trying to argue how scummy I am, when what I was doing is asking you to explain.
And yes, if LMP was a kill-immune SK, I could see him claiming the Feysal kill, although I could only see that if he's more than 1-shot investigation immune. Otherwise I think he's town. I read his posts around that situation over and over again; there's nothing defensive about it. As soon as Feysal makes that suggestion, he's all over it. He is Stark-hunting like a maniac. Everything he does reeks of the knowledge that the Starks did not make that kill.If ya smell what The Locke is cookin'!
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No. I argue how scummy you were *long* before that. You looking for any nits you can find and scratch at is just scummier.Locke Lamora wrote:So here's the thing, Magua. I'm way behind in the game. I do as much catching up as I can. I find a contradiction with your claim in your posts. I ask you to explain, so instead of you explaining, you complain that I haven't voted. So I vote...and you just proceed to argue how scummy I am.
Your voting for me is not scummy. The way you hemmed and hawed and asked questions like whether I thought there was a Stark goon and *then* voted for me *is* scummy.
You worrying what the fuck I think when you're saying you're convinced I'm scum is scummy.
Similarly, Twilight's vote for me isn't scummy. Twilight feeling they need to build a multipage case against me at this point *is* scummy. Posting a huge wall about why you're voting someone who's already at L-2 24 hours from deadline reeks of justification.
What do you think my focus is? What do you think my motivation is?Locke Lamora wrote:What is your focus here? Because to me it looks like you're just trying to argue how scummy I am, when what I was doing is asking you to explain.
Feysal was lynched, not shot. Do you mean Chesskid? I'm quite certain he shot Chesskid. There's no scenario in which LMP didn't shoot Chesskid.Locke Lamora wrote:And yes, if LMP was a kill-immune SK, I could see him claiming the Feysal kill, although I could only see that if he's more than 1-shot investigation immune. Otherwise I think he's town. I read his posts around that situation over and over again; there's nothing defensive about it. As soon as Feysal makes that suggestion, he's all over it. He is Stark-hunting like a maniac. Everything he does reeks of the knowledge that the Starks did not make that kill.
The question is, is he a one-shot CPR doc, or is he something else? And all of the evidence is that he's a 1-shot CPR doc. LMP claimed long before me (he claimed D2), and he claimed one-shot D3, both before my claim D4. This lends a lot of weight to his claim, and is one of the reasons I trust it so much. And then there's the matter of motivation: certainly, an SK could claim the kill. But why? What's the motivation? More scrutiny on them? Want to draw the NK onto themselves (NK immune or not, it's bad for them)? No. It's just like hasdgfas. You could have a one-shot scum dayvig. But what's the motivation to shoot their own partner instead of just saving the power? None.
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Locke Lamora Mafia Scum
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Ok, I'm going to try to explain this. Imagine you have a terrible grip on the game and you really haven't been keeping up with what's going on for several days. Now imagine that all of that information you would have had over several days is being compressed into one, and you have all the read changes and questions that come with it. That's what today has been like for me. So yeah, I've probably been going back and forth a lot and I probably don't make sense a lot of the time because you can't see where I'm going with everything.
So when did I say I'm convinced you're scum? If I was convinced you were scum, I wouldn't be bothering with this, would I? If I was convinced ANYONE was scum, I would have voted sooner (and that would have been Zdenek). You were making assumptions about me trying to make Dana look bad even when I never mentioned Dana. There could be reasons for you acting the way you are now from any alignment. You're quite clearly angry about it, and that could be from any alignment. Take this from my perspective. I find a statement that contradicts your claim. I ask you about it and instead of responding you just rant and rave about how scummy I've been throughout the day. So is this more likely to come from a townie, who has a perfectly good explanation for why it looks like they forgot they killed someone, or scum who's lying about it?
Yes, I mean Chesskid. Of course LMP shot Chesskid. I don't think there's any doubt about that. And yes, the more I think about it, the more I think LMP is town.
And seriously, where did TS ask about you forgetting you shot diddin? I don't see it.
UnvoteIf ya smell what The Locke is cookin'!
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And just because it amused me and for shits 'n' giggles: this is a summary of how often people voted for mafia up to and including D5. Doesn't count votes made today (D6). This is votes taken from the vote counts; not individual votes made. This post is total IIoA. I already made my analysis previously today.
Player # of votes # of votes for mafia % of votes for mafia Danakillsu 86 60 69 Chesskid3 27 12 44 Magua 86 26 30 Locke Lamora 86 21 24 DrippingGoofball 86 18 20 Zdenek 86 15 17 MagnaofIllusion 53 9 16 xvart 53 9 16 Hasdgfas 86 11 12 Benmage 86 10 11 Thor665 83 9 10 LynchMePls 86 8 9 popsofctown 88 8 9 Shadow1psc 86 5 5 Andrius 83 4 4 Nexus 83 3 3 Raivann 77 1 1 Bunnylover 87 0 0 diddin 27 0 0 Feysal 53 0 0 Kast 75 0 0 Setael 86 0 0 Twilight Sparkle 86 0 0 Xtoxm 17 0 0 Zoraster 27 0 0
Same thing, but these numbers assume that Zdenek is Stark.
Player # of votes # of votes for mafia % of votes for mafia Danakillsu 86 69 80 Chesskid3 27 12 44 DrippingGoofball 86 31 36 Magua 86 26 30 Bunnylover 87 25 28 MagnaofIllusion 53 15 28 Thor665 83 22 26 Locke Lamora 86 21 24 Feysal 53 12 22 popsofctown 88 16 18 Zdenek 86 15 17 xvart 53 9 16 Shadow1psc 86 13 15 Andrius 83 12 14 Benmage 86 12 13 Hasdgfas 86 11 12 Twilight Sparkle 86 11 12 LynchMePls 86 10 11 Kast 75 8 10 Setael 86 7 8 Nexus 83 3 3 Raivann 77 1 1 diddin 27 0 0 Xtoxm 17 0 0 Zoraster 27 0 0 -
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This is my bad. It wasn't TS. It was Setael. here. I didn't dignify it with an answer.Locke Lamora wrote:And seriously, where did TS ask about you forgetting you shot diddin? I don't see it.
I'm still not going to dignify it with an answer.
#2621 I ask you who you think the scum is.Locke Lamora wrote:So when did I say I'm convinced you're scum? If I was convinced you were scum, I wouldn't be bothering with this, would I? If I was convinced ANYONE was scum, I would have voted sooner (and that would have been Zdenek).
#2625 you say it's me and Zdenek.
#2626 I say since you can't lynch Zdenek why are you not voting me?
#2630 you're all "lol what's the rush" and "I'm not sold on you being scum".
Then come lots of pointless questions, like what's the quote from my PM (Like the scum weren't given fakeclaims) or setup speculation questions.
Tell me the motivation for me lying about it. Seriously. Do this. Walk me through your thought process. I mean, after all, that would mean I'm not the SK, right? So your operating theory is that I'm Stark?Locke Lamora wrote:You were making assumptions about me trying to make Dana look bad even when I never mentioned Dana. There could be reasons for you acting the way you are now from any alignment. You're quite clearly angry about it, and that could be from any alignment. Take this from my perspective. I find a statement that contradicts your claim. I ask you about it and instead of responding you just rant and rave about how scummy I've been throughout the day. So is this more likely to come from a townie, who has a perfectly good explanation for why it looks like they forgot they killed someone, or scum who's lying about it?
Great!Locke Lamora wrote:Yes, I mean Chesskid. Of course LMP shot Chesskid. I don't think there's any doubt about that. And yes, the more I think about it, the more I think LMP is town.
Do you think dana's town?
Let's not quibble here. You're voting me. You think LMP is town. You think TS is town(ier). By POE I'm the only candidate you can lynch. Why unvote?Locke Lamora wrote:Unvote-
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Locke Lamora Mafia Scum
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I don't understand why you would encourage me to vote you for something that you don't even think is vote-worthy. I honestly don't see what motivation this is coming from, for any alignment.
Yes, so I wasn't sold on you being scum. That means I wasn't convinced. At the time, yes, I did think you and Dana were scum. I don't know that scum were given quotes for their fakeclaims. There are a lot of Walder Freys to pick from. I do think it's relevant to at least consider how realistic everything is in terms of the setup. I apparently have questions that a lot of people don't. For instance, I still don't think Olenna is a particularly pro-Lannister character, nor do I think organising the wedding is indicative of alignment, nor do I think that Shadow has been uber pro-town, but clearly I'm missing something there.
So, as Stark, I could see the possibility that either you knew, or you surmised, that someone dead (xvart) had made the kill and saw the perfect opportunity to get yourself some non-Stark cred to ride to endgame. Either that or you thought the SK made the kill and you took the risk that they wouldn't kill you because you both know that it's in your best interests to have two anti-town killing factions around for most of the game.
Yeah, I am leaning Dana-town. I think that's pretty much based on the 'dumbbells', as you put them.
First off, I didn't want anyone to hammer yet. Secondly, I agree with your analysis of TS's vote and I'm less comfortable with them. Finally, as far as I'm concerned, we're all better served if scum has no idea where my vote is going. This is part of why your impatience was bothering me. I could see scum getting edgy and willing me to get on with it already so they could pin down where my reads are.If ya smell what The Locke is cookin'!
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Locke Lamora Mafia Scum
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Alright pops, since you didn't respond first time around, I'll highlight it. Where'd you get this idea from (bolded)?popsofctown wrote:Not so sure about that.
I'm Jaime Lannister, the friendly knight. Each night I may select a player, the mod will pm that player that mynameis jaime lannister.
N1 target, greyice decided to target DGB.
N2, I was still rereading the game, but had a gut town read on Shadow from what I had read of day 1, I selected shadow.
N3, I realized it was retarded of me not to use my power on the dude with flipping governor status, and targetted Benmage.
Things to draw from this:
1. DGB doesn't actually know I'm town. She just knows my name is Jaime Lannister. On the wiki it says that Jaime betrayed the king and then had to get pardoned for it, so he could very well have either alignment since the mod has reserved the right to spit on the canon. If DGB's mason claim can be considered anything but airtight then I see reason for some suspicion of DGB, my impression is that she failed to realize that the pm doesn't confirm me town because she knew that day 0.
2. Shadow did not claim to have been visited by the friendly knight. We have a roleblocker, the roleblocker said he didn't target me. I have to wonder why shadow did not report getting a pm saying that my name is Jaime Lannister.It's possible he's immune to night actions, is a bus driver, or there is a busdriver. Whatever it is it's fishy.If ya smell what The Locke is cookin'!
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Magua wrote:And just because it amused me and for shits 'n' giggles: this is a summary of how often people voted for mafia up to and including D5. Doesn't count votes made today (D6). This is votes taken from the vote counts; not individual votes made. This post is total IIoA. I already made my analysis previously today.
Player # of votes # of votes for mafia % of votes for mafia Danakillsu 86 60 69 Chesskid3 27 12 44 Magua 86 26 30 Locke Lamora 86 21 24 DrippingGoofball 86 18 20 Zdenek 86 15 17 MagnaofIllusion 53 9 16 xvart 53 9 16 Hasdgfas 86 11 12 Benmage 86 10 11 Thor665 83 9 10 LynchMePls 86 8 9 popsofctown 88 8 9 Shadow1psc 86 5 5 Andrius 83 4 4 Nexus 83 3 3 Raivann 77 1 1 Bunnylover 87 0 0 diddin 27 0 0 Feysal 53 0 0 Kast 75 0 0 Setael 86 0 0 Twilight Sparkle 86 0 0 Xtoxm 17 0 0 Zoraster 27 0 0
Same thing, but these numbers assume that Zdenek is Stark.
Player # of votes # of votes for mafia % of votes for mafia Danakillsu 86 69 80 Chesskid3 27 12 44 DrippingGoofball 86 31 36 Magua 86 26 30 Bunnylover 87 25 28 MagnaofIllusion 53 15 28 Thor665 83 22 26 Locke Lamora 86 21 24 Feysal 53 12 22 popsofctown 88 16 18 Zdenek 86 15 17 xvart 53 9 16 Shadow1psc 86 13 15 Andrius 83 12 14 Benmage 86 12 13 Hasdgfas 86 11 12 Twilight Sparkle 86 11 12 LynchMePls 86 10 11 Kast 75 8 10 Setael 86 7 8 Nexus 83 3 3 Raivann 77 1 1 diddin 27 0 0 Xtoxm 17 0 0 Zoraster 27 0 0
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This is my bad. It wasn't TS. It was Setael. here. I didn't dignify it with an answer.Locke Lamora wrote:And seriously, where did TS ask about you forgetting you shot diddin? I don't see it.
I'm still not going to dignify it with an answer.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
jdodge1019: vermont is made of liberal freaks and cows
jdodge1019: he's not a liberal
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You were at L-4 when we started writing it, and this close to deadline, yeah, it's kinda important to get why we're voting you on the table. Also it's not really a huge wall, it just has a lot of quotes.Magua wrote: Similarly, Twilight's vote for me isn't scummy. Twilight feeling they need to build a multipage case against me at this point *is* scummy. Posting a huge wall about why you're voting someone who's already at L-2 24 hours from deadline reeks of justification.
Also:
Magua wrote: The question is, is he a one-shot CPR doc, or is he something else? And all of the evidence is that he's a 1-shot CPR doc. LMP claimed long before me (he claimed D2), and he claimed one-shot D3, both before my claim D4. This lends a lot of weight to his claim, and is one of the reasons I trust it so much. And then there's the matter of motivation: certainly, an SK could claim the kill. But why? What's the motivation? More scrutiny on them? Want to draw the NK onto themselves (NK immune or not, it's bad for them)? No. It's just like hasdgfas. You could have a one-shot scum dayvig. But what's the motivation to shoot their own partner instead of just saving the power? None.
People who are all "Well, one of Magua or LMP must be scum" are trying to line up mislynches. I believe LMP's claim. 100%.
I understand "townie who is unflappable in the face of danger" and "townie desperately trying to leave a good gamestate behind them" are both good masks to wear, but you kinda need to pick one or the other to be convincing. Or do you not really care whether we lynch the person who's "scummier than a fish tank" or the person who's claim you believe 100%?Magua wrote:*snores*
Tomorrow, Zdenek
Then Twilight Sparkle
Then LynchMePls or Locke Lamora
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i like this lynchTwilight Sparkle wrote:
I understand "townie who is unflappable in the face of danger" and "townie desperately trying to leave a good gamestate behind them" are both good masks to wear, but you kinda need to pick one or the other to be convincing. Or do you not really care whether we lynch the person who's "scummier than a fish tank" or the person who's claim you believe 100%?
-hito"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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unvote
vote benmage"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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I was going to respond to Benmage, but Magua already said everything I would have said.
TS lynch is MUCH better than Magua lynch. I want no part of Magua lynch, and will only do so to stop a no lynch. By the end of the day I'll hammer if no one has."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
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