Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

[Maxous]

Neccessary Evil calling Twistedspoon a liar makes things easier.

And, yeah, I agree with Maxous that the speed of my wagon is highly suspect.

how is it suspect when I have a guilty result

I'll explain. There are two scenarios.
NE is town, NE is mafia.

Farside and Rhinox voted without any consideration for the possibility that NE would either be framed or was a miller. They did'nt care.
If NE is town it could be that they blindly followed a cop result to bandwagon for a easy lynch on town.
If NE is mafia it could be that they know he is mafia and decided to vote straight away to cover themselves and be on the lynch.

Either way it is suspect.
I would include Quilford as well but he is clear due to the mason claim.

we've already lost one one-shot cop and we can't afford to lose another

But you already used your ability :p

And, yeah, I agree with Maxous that the speed of my wagon is highly suspect.

Anybody in particular?
Also : Are you confident Twistedspoon is lying about this? What do you think about the possibilty of a mafia framer?

@Farside and Rhinox: Why did the two of you instantly beleive the result from Twistedspoon? As far as I remember he was on both of your suspect lists.

[Erratus Apathos]

we've already lost one one-shot cop and we can't afford to lose another

Everyone read this post. Then vote Twistedspoon.

UNVOTE: Oso
VOTE: Twistedspoon

[Twistedspoon]

ability used or not, we're still townies and it is bad to lose them obviously

[Prosaurus]

I still reckon EA is scummy, not to mention his vote hop bandwagoning.

[Prosaurus]

(Holding my vote for now)

[neil1113]

Duplicity replaces Oso immediately. Please give Duplicity a warm welcome.

Vote Count #2:
Day Two

Necessary Evil

(3): Twistedspoon, Quilford, Rhinox

Twistedspoon

(3): Necessary Evil, Farside22, Erratus Apathos

Duplicity

(0):

Erratus Apathos

(0):

Quilford

(0):

Prosaurus

(0):

Javert

(0):

Rhinox

(0):

Maxous

(0):

farside22

(0):

No Lynch

(0):

Not Voting

(4): Maxous, Javert, Prosaurus, Duplicity

V/LA

(1): Rhinox for the Holiday Season

Prodding:

(0):

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

Deadline

for

Day 2

is

6:00pm EST 05/05/11.

[Quilford]

It hardly matters which way we do it; this isn't mylo.

[Prosaurus]

The thing is, if we choose the townie first, scum have the upper hand. It'd be:
D1 10Town 3Scum (Lose 3 town)
D2 7Town 3Scum (Lose 2 town)
D3 5Town 3Scum (Lose 1 town, 1 Scum)
D4 4Town 2Scum.
Unless of course we have a doctor. If we get scum first:
D2 7Town 3Scum (Lose 1 scum, 1 town)
D3 6Town 2Scum.
So I would recommend we put some thought into this.

[Prosaurus]

Hmm. Actually, if Ea is scum, I'd say NE is too. Why would he vote hop so fast to TS if they were both scum? Unless he's taking a big risk, sacrificing his scum partner to try and clear himself.
And if they're both (NE and TS) we're screwed.

[Prosaurus]

EBWOP: That's meant to say; If they're both town we're screwed. We gotta be careful if they're both scum too though.

[farside22]

@Farside and Rhinox: Why did the two of you instantly beleive the result from Twistedspoon? As far as I remember he was on both of your suspect lists.

Quilford said it best but to add for someone to claim they got a guilty on another player that he was suspicious of at the end of the day I had little doubt to his claim at the start of day 2.
However seeing TS flounder now and saying "I think" he is scum then using oh he might have been framed or I might be insane, blah, blah, blah I say he slipped and is fake claiming results at this point.

[Necessary Evil]

And, yeah, I agree with Maxous that the speed of my wagon is highly suspect.

how is it suspect when I have a guilty result

we've already lost one one-shot cop and we can't afford to lose another

I investigated you and got guilty. That's all I know, but the conclusions are pretty clear

so unless you can prove that the mafioso have a framer or I am an insane cop without knowing so then you're mafioso

imo, I think all cops are sane unless the mechanics usually have a theme of such, like dethy

Scum will want to jump on my wagon because it's relatively safe. It's hard to tell the townies and scum apart because townies will want to test your guilty claim. Like I said before, normal games have rules that guarantee cop sanity, but after reviewing the rules, framers appear to be allowed. I still think that you are lying because you were so scummy yesterday.

Anybody in particular?
Also : Are you confident Twistedspoon is lying about this? What do you think about the possibilty of a mafia framer?

Well, Quilford is confirmed town, so that leaves Rhinox and farside. Either or both could be scum. They've both looked like town to me so far, but farside is a little scummy because she jumped on the MW wagon while attacking my vote on him in the same post.

Yes, I'm pretty sure that he is lying. See my explanation above.

[Quilford]

I still think NE's the guilty one, I've just played a game with him in which he used a similar "I'm not scum so you must be" response to a guilty on him (he was scum, and he won *shakes fist*).

[Prosaurus]

Careful. Depending on who we lynch could change the whole outcome of this game. I say NE is scummier, but I'm still unsure.

[Quilford]

Shall I / am I allowed to post Juls' reads from the Mason QT last night?

[Prosaurus]

Don't see why not. Your choice.

[Quilford]

Okay, why not. I see nothing wrong with doing so. All below was originally written by Juls.

Town
======
Javert - just don't buy a scum-day-vig
Oso - Has seemed pretty pro town but is one I want to take another look at given EAs stance on him
EA - Again, pretty protown. I am trying to decide if I think his hammer was scummy or not. He was definitely against a Me=Weird lynch but I kinda see where he is coming from.

Null
========
Rhinox - He is bothering me somewhat, I used to feel like I could read him but I haven't played in well over a year. His effort seems half-ass but I seem to remember him pushing lynchs more as scum.
Twistedspoon - I want to believe his claim but sometimes he says things that get my attention in a not-so-town way.
farside22 - At first I felt town but now I'm not so sure. Seems to be sheeping a lot. I have played with her before but again, long time. So I will try to reread some of our past games.
Necessary Evil - Was leaning scum with him earlier but his reactions to my "lurking" posts seem genuine. Although, I still don't like that he is active lurking. I kinda backed off when I saw he only has 75 posts site wide.

Scum-leaning
=========
Maxous - Don't really get a town vibe from him at all.
Prosaurus - I didnt like his reaction to the mason claim and his whole "shoot me" thing either. He is probably the one I am leaning most for of scum.

I have also started thinking today that there may be two scum teams. I don't know why I didn't think of it before but it just occurred to me today.
...
The main reason I think there may be more than one team is the way it was so difficult to form a wagon toward the end of the day. Also, the fact that town has at least 4 confirm-able roles in us, the cop, the vig.

[Prosaurus]

Is it possible to have two scumteams in a normal game? I mean, I know there's some thing Rhinox said about having one unusual role, but I don't think a second mafia would apply there.

[Duplicity]

Hey everyone, I haven't got the time to read through the entire thread to catch up just yet but I promise to be fully caught up in 48 hours.

I noticed there's a guilty report today meaning the lynch is essentially between NE and Twisted so I'm going to request that no one hammers until I catch up. Thanks in advance.

[Prosaurus]

Oh yea. Welcome.

[Javert]

I unfortunately do not have additional DayVigging capabilities (as I am sure the scum were able to deduce from the whole "

one

shot, he only had

one

bullet" flavor the mod wrote into my kill.

Really wishing I had Vigged Twistedspoon on Day One. Sigh. Still, I will try to force myself to give the game a read over before voting.

[Maxous]

It hardly matters which way we do it; this isn't mylo.

It would be nice to get it correct the first time.
There is hardly a rush to get a lynch through, the deadline is a while away.

I still reckon EA is scummy, not to mention his vote hop bandwagoning.

And what about Farside's vote hopping?

Juls' player reads

That's good and all but which reads do

you

agree with?

Is it possible to have two scumteams in a normal game? I mean, I know there's some thing Rhinox said about having one unusual role, but I don't think a second mafia would apply there.

I don't know if it is possible but one night kill would suggest not

@TwistedSpoon: What is your general read on Farside and Rhinox in this game?

[Prosaurus]

@Max Yea, but that has a reason. EA's is more "Oh look! An easy bandwagon! Everyone vote TS!". I dunno, you're probably right.
Also, this may not be MyLo but it easily could be if we lynch the townie;

The thing is, if we choose the townie first, scum have the upper hand. It'd be:
D1 10Town 3Scum (Lose 3 town)
D2 7Town 3Scum (Lose 2 town)
D3 5Town 3Scum (Lose 1 town, 1 Scum)
D4 4Town 2Scum

(Edit: This is MyLo)

Unless of course we have a doctor. If we get scum first:
D2 7Town 3Scum (Lose 1 scum, 1 town)
D3 6Town 2Scum.
So I would recommend we put some thought into this.

[Erratus Apathos]

I still think NE's the guilty one, I've just played a game with him in which he used a similar "I'm not scum so you must be" response to a guilty on him (he was scum, and he won *shakes fist*).

And what exactly do you expect his response as town to be? "I'm not scum so you must have misread your investigation result"?

@Max Yea, but that has a reason. EA's is more "Oh look! An easy bandwagon! Everyone vote TS!".

I'm jumping on an easy bandwagon? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm the one who started the damn TS wagon!

You say I don't have reasons... well then what the HELL do you call these?

UNVOTE: Necessary Evil
VOTE: Twistedspoon

as TS seems likes he's trying to stay in the back seat while everyone else fights.

Oh yeah, Twistedspoon is totally scum. Look at his posts between his Javert vote and his unvote. He doesn't attack Javert, he doesn't question Javert, he doesn't push the Javert wagon, he's doesn't do a single damn thing to Javert. He accomplished three things with his Javert vote, and those things were VOTE PARK, VOTE PARK, AND VOTE PARK. He was vote parking on Maxous earlier too, and he's already looking like he's vote parking on NE. I suggest we park a noose around Twistedscum's neck.

@Jav: so why did you claim if you are a day-vig? why not keep it a secret so you could use it a later day when you have more information to make more accurate reads from?

Okay, you commented on Javert ONCE the entire time you had your vote on him. Whoop dee freakin doo. That still doesn't change the fact that you vote parked like a vote parker on vote parking day.

(I think it was on Javert)

Good lord people, he only has a vague idea where his own vote was. Could it be any more obvious that TS is scum?

well I can't be 100% certain can I? I'm only being honest about what I think
anyways, It was on javert, so there's no issue

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How. in. the. HELL. can you not be certain of where your vote is?

Wow. I couldn't get on the site at all yesterday and now I'm greeted with a ton of new content. I'm getting caught up now.

then

UNVOTE: you're on now. As soon as your finished reading up, top scum please.

o rly? unvoting so soon? The slightest trace of NE and you unvoted, before any content of his too. Ah well, you've claimed cop, so i guess it doesn't matter too much.

Oh good, here's another scumtell from TS! He attacks ender for unvoting, but then immediately tacks on a comment that distances himself from it. It serves no protown purpose. So why did he post it? Because he doesn't want to get into an argument.

Why would I want to attack javert?

Because you were voting him? That's usually what townies do to the people they vote. Are you admitting your vote on Javert was bullshit? You totally should, it'd be a lot easier than trying to argue that it was a meaningful vote.

[Twistedspoon]

what on earth-

I got a guilty, so why aren't we lynching?

@TwistedSpoon: What is your general read on Farside and Rhinox in this game?

general read? Farside and rhinox both seem town to me