Open 297 - Twofold Mafia (Game Over)

[don_johnson]

vote: jakalope

confirmed scum.

i suggest the seer stay quiet. lets hope for a crosskill tonight.

[andrew94]

theres only the cop, seer 2 mafias and 2 werewolves..
are you implying that you are the cop...

[don_johnson]

I am well aware of whose left. Jak is scum. Further discussion hurts towns chances of winning.

[ThAdmiral]

Vote: jackalope

[andrew94]

vote no lynch

those that want lynchs are mafias and werewolves

[andrew94]

and lol stop pretending to be town. theres only 2 town.

[Mogri]

vote no lynch

those that want lynchs are mafias and werewolves

I really don't understand the logic behind this. Remaining players are seer, cop, two mafia, and two werewolves. Best case if we no-lynch is two crosskills, which would leave 2 town, 2 scum. Town would have to be very lucky to win that scenario.

That said, please be careful with your votes before everyone's had a chance to counterclaim. Regardless of how that turns out, for now, I'll VOTE: andrew94 for even suggesting a NL and for #330. ThAdmiral is also obviously high on my suspect list after yesterday's quickhammer.

Don has softclaimed cop. That's fine, but bear in mind that andrew has essentially admitted to being scum with #330. I think I'd rather lynch a self-confirmed scum than take Don at his word.

[ConSpiracy]

Mogri is right.
VOTE: Andrew

Do the math andrew:
- No lynch (seer, cop, 2 mafia, 2 werewolves)
- crosskill (seer, cop, mafia, werewolves)
They should crosskill again for town to win.

-Lynch (seer, cop, (1/2) mafia, (1/2) werewolves)
- crosskill (seer, cop, mafia, werewolves)

And since you said this:

and lol stop pretending to be town. theres only 2 town.

It isn't quite that hard, is it?

[andrew94]

i am the seer.
i checked munrun night 1 = not werewolf
i checked don johnson night 2 = werewolf.

which is why i dont trust anything he says. so hes not the cop. then, by that logic, mogri is not the cop, as he said 'don has softclaimed cop'.

yep

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote andrew

Nice try, wolf. Now hang.

[ConSpiracy]

UNVOTE: andrew

At least one of andrew and don_jonson is scum (andrew got a guilty on don_jonson)
At least one of don_jonson and jak is scum (don_jonson got a guilty on jak)
A least one of andrew and mogri is scum (mogri can't be cop as andrew stated)

Every body unvote till don_jonson gives a response on this question:
don_jonson, night actions?

[don_johnson]

Brosius night one. Was trying to avoid actual claim, but I am thinking Andrew/Jak are scumteam. Real seer should not counterclaim. Again, towns best chance of winning is lynching confirmed scum out of Andrew/Jak.

[ConSpiracy]

Lolololol, mafia slip!

Nice try, wolf. Now hang.

No counterclaims needed, we are lynching don today.

VOTE: don_jonson

The one that doesn't vote for don is his werewolf partner.

[ConSpiracy]

EBWOP: To avoid confusion, it was a scum slip, not a mafia slip. He is wolf, so...

[Mogri]

ConS, I don't follow your logic. How do you figure don is a wolf? I do agree on the slip - it's not possible for Andrew/Jak to be a scumteam if Don is cop and Andrew is wolf. Something's fishy there.

HOWEVER, Andrew is the better lynch. He's confirmed scum:
- There's no reason for him to have claimed.

- If he'd investigated don as wolf, he would've voted earlier, NOT pushed for NL.

- Reasons stated earlier.

Vote for Andrew. Regardless of what anyone else might have done, Andrew has put up his own neon signs saying, "SCUM HERE."

[ConSpiracy]

ConS, I don't follow your logic. How do you figure don is a wolf? I do agree on the slip - it's not possible for Andrew/Jak to be a scumteam if Don is cop and Andrew is wolf. Something's fishy there.

Two things:
1. I believe andrew to be true.
2. I don't believe mafia would fake their power role (i.e. cop)
a. He has 50% chance to be right when faking cop if wolf.
b. He wouldn't bus when it is 2:2:2

- If he'd investigated don as wolf, he would've voted earlier, NOT pushed for NL.

Nuhuh, I have seen more than enough players that don't out guilties immediately. (And I can actually see someone not out their night choice hoping scum would cross-kill the next night)

- There's no reason for him to have claimed.

Yes, he was at L-2... With 4 scum...

- Reasons stated earlier.

State those reasons. Don't hide them.
His line (stop pretending to be town) after a second thought isn't very scummish. Don't forget (I assume he is town) that there is just one town besides him.

[Mogri]

1. I believe andrew to be true.

On what basis? You were voting for him until five posts ago.

2. I don't believe mafia would fake their power role (i.e. cop)

WIFOM

b. He wouldn't bus when it is 2:2:2

WIFOM

Nuhuh, I have seen more than enough players that don't out guilties immediately. (And I can actually see someone not out their night choice hoping scum would cross-kill the next night)

That doesn't explain pushing for NL.

State those reasons. Don't hide them.
His line (stop pretending to be town) after a second thought isn't very scummish. Don't forget (I assume he is town) that there is just one town besides him.

Exactly.

Someone

else is town. Why would he ask another player to stop pretending he's town if he didn't know?

Oh, that's right, he DID know -- he investigated don. But this is a single post after he voted NL. So what in the world was he doing here? Was he softclaiming and saying don was wolf? Then why the NL vote just a post before?

Andrew's play has been inconsistent and highly suspect, so I'm keeping my vote on him until I've got a better reason to place it elsewhere.

[ConSpiracy]

On what basis? You were voting for him until five posts ago.

Him being seer makes sense.

WIFOM

Great at trying to say this is WIFOM. It means that you didn't even think about it. <- scummy
Mafia would choose himself being cop because they would have to say other players are innocent/guilty. Why making it harder for yourself to win, when you can make it harder for the other scum team?
And I am sorry, but you really think scum would bus on 2:2:2? It is ridiculous that you even think about it... Why making yourself the only minority? Failmogri.

That doesn't explain pushing for NL.

Once again (as I said my last post you quoted) he may was hoping for a cross kill to make town be in favour of scum. Keep in mind that scum doensn't have any reason either to no-lynch since they would like to have the edge over the other scumteam to win.

Oh, that's right, he DID know -- he investigated don. But this is a single post after he voted NL. So what in the world was he doing here? Was he softclaiming and saying don was wolf? Then why the NL vote just a post before?

Oh right, I did explain this already. Don't bring up the same point over and over.

Andrew's play has been inconsistent and highly suspect, so I'm keeping my vote on him until I've got a better reason to place it elsewhere.

Lol. Let's make a balance:
Scum slip don_jonson vs. shaky arguments andrew.
It is hard, is it?

1 question Mogri, do you think don_jonson is indeed the cop?

[Mogri]

It takes four votes to lynch right now. That means you and your scumpartner plus both town to lynch someone on the other team (provided that scum doesn't teamvote). Seer is not likely to vote with someone who fakeclaimed Seer; same for Cop. So fakeclaiming is probably a bad idea in general at this point, and yet either don or andrew is lying.

Given that either don or andrew is lying (possibly both), I have to say that andrew is much more likely the liar. I have outlined my reasons for this already.

[quote=ConSpiracy]And I am sorry, but you really think scum would bus on 2:2:2? It is ridiculous that you even think about it... Why making yourself the only minority? Failmogri.[/quote]
That is the very definition of WIFOM.

[quote=ConSpiracy]1 question Mogri, do you think don_jonson is indeed the cop?[/quote]
I'll leave it at this: don was accurate when he said that "further discussion hurts towns chances of winning." There's no need to delve too deeply into who is and isn't which town PR right now; outing them is bad for town and discussing it won't help, either.

[quote=ConSpiracy]Scum slip don_jonson vs. shaky arguments andrew.[/quote]
It's not a matter of "shaky arguments." It's a matter of bad play, and it looks like intentionally bad play to me.

Meanwhile, we lynched based on "scum slip" yesterday. How'd that turn out?

I should add that right now, I have you pegged for andrew's scumbuddy.

[Mogri]

^ forgot to preview, durr

[ConSpiracy]

Mogri, I am stalling this argument for now. I want ThAdmiral and TheJakalope to voice their opinions.

[Mogri]

Good idea, agreed.

[ThAdmiral]

vote: andrew

I don't think anything else needs to be said.

[don_johnson]

discussion is going to hurt towns chances of winning. andy gets the noose. real seer needs to stay quiet.

[Chevre]

Vote Count

(3) andrew94 (

Mogri

,

ConSpiracy

,

don_johnson

,

ThAdmiral

)
(1) No Lynch (

andrew94

)
(1) don_johnson (

ConSpiracy

)
(0) TheJakalope (

don_johnson

,

ThAdmiral

)

(1) Not Voting (

andrew94

,

ConSpiracy

,

don_johnson

,

Mogri

,

ThAdmiral

, TheJakalope)

With

six

living players, it takes

four

votes to lynch.

Deadline:

May 13th, 2011 9:49pm U.S. CST

Prodded:

TheJakalope

Replacing:

no one