Cold War Mafia - GAME OVER!!

[The Fonz]

I can't see how that's even possible.

[smargaret]

If I do flip town, are you willing to say you're scum? Or will you just say it must have been mod error/bastardry?

[Sathoris]

@smargaret- I'm sorry you feel that way. I will try to be more like you.

You promised analyis aswell. But your latest post was just the same, plus you added a (useless) question.

[The Fonz]

If I do flip town, are you willing to say you're scum? Or will you just say it must have been mod error/bastardry?

Whatever you flip, I'm not scum. Besides, you were perfectly willing yesterday to set up an 'Either Feysal is scum or I am' type dichotomy. Now you're backing away from it.

[smargaret]

That's because, like you, I saw the possibilities being Feysal scum, mod error, or bastard mod. Like you, I eliminated the latter to as less likely.

Like you, I was wrong.

[The Fonz]

Smarg, it really seems like you're trying to use scare tactics here. "OMG I'll flip town and everyone will call you scum!" Well, I can't help what other people may or may not do, but I'm never going to refrain from doing what I think is the right town move because it might look scummy if I'm wrong. All I can do is be honest and open about my reads and my reasons for them, and let the cards fall where they may.

I gave you the chance to check for mod error. You were insistent that it was not necessary. Bastard modding can basically be discounted, because it would be such an egregious example of the mod deliberately fucking over the town, like I said.

If by some miracle, you were to flip town, I would simply defend myself thus: according to the information available to me, Smargaret was overwhelmingly the best available lynch. At the end of the day, I just don't believe it's possible that you got a town role pm stating Feysal's rolename as one thing, and he got a town role pm stating his rolename to be something different. Like I said, you'd be better off if you actually were town to be scumhunting hard right now.

There's also the point that, if you weren't American scum, it would be pretty easy for the Americans to pile on you without even getting their hands particularly dirty because the case against you is SO compelling. That hasn't happened.

[Furcolow]

Isn't it more likely for 2 neighbors to be on the same side in terms of alignment? I would imagine it would be. However, given the setup being East vs West and coldwarish, it's really easily argued from either side and needs to be dropped as an issue completely.

[Furcolow]

East Germany WAS Soviet.
There was a technical Soviet border there...
Another thing that doesn't need to be argued over.

Fonz, you are tunneling, and now that I'm beginning to get a town read, I'm going to politely ask you to stop. You tunneled on me, and now you're tunneling on smargaret. I don't know if you're wrong about smargaret, but given probability, and how I know you were wrong about me, I believe you are wrong here as well.

How about PeregrineV's charts? Do you find them helpful? Do you believe it is a ploy as scum used to not really have to discuss anything? That's how I feel. He replied to smargaret's one-liner with a little scummy quip

[Furcolow]

unvote

[bvoigt]

@PeregrineV: RedCoyote was "poisoned," and someone was "assassinated" on Night 3, when we presumably had no vig shot. So the vig flavor must be "removed from the bunker." Then you can figure out the remaining flavors from crosskills. "Poisoned" is Soviet, and "assassinated" is American.

Also, would we benefit from a mass name claim?

Actually, instead of a mass name claim, how about just nationality claims?

So, Soviet mafia killed RedCoyote, Debonair Danny DiPietro (InflatablePie), nobody, and

Scott Brosius

.

American mafia killed LlamaFluff,

VP Baltar

, XScorpion, and LynchMePls.

Town vig RedCoyote killed hohum (Ghostwriter) night 1.

Town vig unknown killed nachomama8 night2 and

Stephoscope

night4.

So, why did the Soviet mafia not kill night 3?

The only way you'd get an answer to this question would be if a protective role claimed. Looks like rolefishing to me. Also, are you going to analyze those vote charts soon?

[The Fonz]

Fonz, you are tunneling, and now that I'm beginning to get a town read, I'm going to politely ask you to stop. You tunneled on me, and now you're tunneling on smargaret. I don't know if you're wrong about smargaret, but given probability, and how I know you were wrong about me, I believe you are wrong here as well.

When you think you've found scum, you don't let go.

How about PeregrineV's charts? Do you find them helpful? Do you believe it is a ploy as scum used to not really have to discuss anything? That's how I feel. He replied to smargaret's one-liner with a little scummy quip

I really don't think it's a ploy not to discuss things. I think if he's scum, it's much simpler than that- he just thought making a spreadsheet would look town. That said, you know, his predecessor lied about his role, and he never did come up with an adequate explanation for his gross misrepresentation of me yesterday.

[Sotty7]

7th vote count of day 5

smargaret - 2 -

The Fonz, ThAdmiral

Sathoris - 1 -

bvoigt

PeregrineV - 1 -

smargaret

bvoigt - 1 -

Enigma

Enigma - 1 -

Beasts of the Sea

Not voting - 4 -

Sathoris, PeregrineV, Lowell, Furcolow

• With
  10
  players alive, it takes
  6
  to lynch
  
• Deadline for the end of day five is Wednesday 11th May @ 8am CST

[The Fonz]

Another rainbow votecount, huh?

Those Feysalling need to stop, because at the moment there's little way of knowing who's a viable wagon, and who's one person's tunnel.

[Lowell]

2155 says exactly what I was thinking about smarg of late. The "if I flip town, WILL YOU REPENT/BE SCUM/TERRIFYING QUASI-THREAT" posts are bad news.

[smargaret]

*shrug* So it's a conversation we should have post-game, but it's a conversation we will be having because he's doing the same thing I did yesterday and I want to know who's going to call him on it tomorrow.

[The Fonz]

Except that I am not doing the "same thing" at all, because my argument is based on publicly available information. Yours was based on unique role information you claimed to have, which turned out to be false.

Do you think it is impossible, given what was respectively claimed in the thread by you and Feysal, that a town player could think you scum here? REALLY?

[Lord Fonzi]

In fact, smargaret, put yourself in the position of any other player in the game here: Can you tell me with a straight face that you wouldn't think 'smargaret is scum' is the most likely situation here?

[The Fonz]

In fact, smargaret, put yourself in the position of any other player in the game here: Can you tell me with a straight face that you wouldn't think 'smargaret is scum' is the most likely situation here?

@Mod: can you remove the hydra post?

[ThAdmiral]

Still here but busy. Will post tomorrow night. Promise!

[Enigma]

Don't think smarget is scum.
Bvoight is though.

Name/Nationality claim: Lyndon B. Johnson, US *removed*
kgo

[The Fonz]

Enigma, no-one asked for your name, just the nationality. The point being it's a lot harder to discern a role from a nationality than a name.

[Furcolow]

Enigma just claimed Lyndon Johnson

vote: Enigma

[Sathoris]

Enigma just claimed Lyndon Johnson

vote: Enigma

LBJ isn't out of place here, unless there's something I'm missing?

[The Fonz]

LBJ is an obvious 'warlike' name on the American side. He's the guy who escalated in Viet Nam.

But again. Che was town. Kruschev was town. McCarthy was town. It's a very dangerous game to play 'That sounds warlike.' After all, early on in the game, someone listed Kissinger as an example of someone they'd expect to be mafia in this game. Then ThAd claimed it, and everyone was like... well, it's more 'peaceful' than McCarthy. Honestly, with the flips we've had, which historical figure is town and which is scum is something of a crapshoot.

[smargaret]

Enigma, why did you do that?

Furc, did you learn nothing from previous flips?