Mini 1157 - Witch-Hunt Nightless - Game Over

[xRECKONERx]

*checks thread*
*no hammer yet*
*goes back to Warcraft III*

[Ythan]

Vote Count

6 Trouble (xRECKONERx, splitfarvle, DemonHybrid, Kise, Parama, Scumhunter) L-1
2 splitfarvle (dramonic, pycyununn)
1 Scumhunter (Nachomamma8)
1 DemonHybrid (Caboose)
1 Parama (brundibar)
1 brundibar (Trouble)
0 xRECKONERx
0 Caboose
0 Nachomamma8
0 Kise
0 dramonic
0 pycyununn

0 Not Voting

7 to lynch
Deadline May 4th
Dramonic has been prodded.

[dramonic]

Unvote
Vote: Trouble

~ Day end!~

Vote: Split

Tell me if you ever plan to do something of any use.

[Ythan]

Vote Count

7 Trouble (xRECKONERx, splitfarvle, DemonHybrid, Kise, Parama, Scumhunter, dramonic) LYNCH

1 splitfarvle (pycyununn)
1 Scumhunter (Nachomamma8)
1 DemonHybrid (Caboose)
1 Parama (brundibar)
1 brundibar (Trouble)
0 xRECKONERx
0 Caboose
0 Nachomamma8
0 Kise
0 dramonic
0 pycyununn

0 Not Voting

CROWD: A witch! A witch! A witch! We've got a witch! A witch!
VILLAGER #1: We have found a witch, might we burn him?
CROWD: Burn him! Burn!

Trouble, townie, has been lynched.

6 to lynch
Deadline May 11th

[Parama]

Oh hi dram nice of you to ARE YOU KIDDING ME? DO YOU EVER PLAN TO DO SOMETHING OF ANY USE?

IT'S LIKE EVERYONE IN THIS GODDAMN TOWN DECIDED TO SCREW AROUND FOREVER.

P-EDIT

I HATE YOUR LIFE

unvote, VOTE SCUMHUNTER

dramonic/Scumhunter/DH/split.

Good day to you sirs.

[xRECKONERx]

Well... Trouble deserved that one.

Vote: Scumhunter

[Parama]

Well... Trouble deserved that one.

I AGREE.

[DemonHybrid]

VOTE: Scumhunter

How annoying.

[dramonic]

Oh hi dram nice of you to ARE YOU KIDDING ME? DO YOU EVER PLAN TO DO SOMETHING OF ANY USE?

IT'S LIKE EVERYONE IN THIS GODDAMN TOWN DECIDED TO SCREW AROUND FOREVER.

I'm immune to assynine cap rages Parama, try someone else.
What do you want me to do, echo the case? It's set, it's sound. Moving on.

[dramonic]

*assinine*

[xRECKONERx]

What is the case that you saw?

[dramonic]

refering to the one on trouble, not the one on Split.
I haven't made a case on split, but his hypocrisy and joke of an ISO are terribly subtle.
Basically, his attack on Parama is a terrible PoS attempt at discrediting an obvtown player with a sidedish of "oh, but I'm suspicious of SH too!" distancing act.

It's amusing.

[xRECKONERx]

"Hypocrisy" and "joke of an ISO" being "terribly subtle" isn't a case, nor is it a reason, nor is it valid.

Stop half-assing this.

[Kise]

is dram scum, Reck?

[Scumhunter]

@Those voting me, I'm not going to complain about the bandwagon on Trouble because that looked like a slip to me too, but if you are willing to automatically believe his slip = me as an automatic town, how strong is your case on me in the first place? Strong enough that 3 of you are voting me instantly without discussion. Great. Seems logical!! Just another witchhunt!! Burn those heathen!! I will not repent for any of my "sins" because I haven't done anything wrong. When I flip town, please don't give me any of this "Scumhunter is bad town shit" at least take the responsibility on yourself that you are stupid sheep and should go die in a fire somewhere. If any of you voting me currently are town, you deserve to lose so go right ahead.

vote xReckoner

I'm going with my gut. Anyone wanting to follow a townie feel free.

[xRECKONERx]

is dram scum, Reck?

Entirely possible. Not getting strong dramtown reads here.

[Parama]

@SH: Trouble basically said that he knew you were town, which is only possible if he's scum.
Though someone who scumslips AS TOWN deserves to die IMO.

[dramonic]

"Hypocrisy" and "joke of an ISO" being "terribly subtle" isn't a case, nor is it a reason, nor is it valid.

Stop half-assing this.

wrong line dear <<

[brundibar]

I HATE FINALS.

Anyway, sorry for the delay.

I'll try and contribute more in a bit, but for now

VOTE: Scumhunter

[Scumhunter]

Parama, xReck, DemonHybrid: As for the case on me, it revolves around me being off topic, changing my votes early on without what you deem sufficient reason and being generally anti-town. If there is some other reason you feel I am scummy please tell me so I can do my best to explain my actions.

I am linking a game (http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 30&start=0) I am currently in, not to use my alignment in it as proof, because I obviously can't say. But I am getting shit for the same reasons you all have been suspecting me this game. These 2 posts are from players in that game who are familiar with my playstyle:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2996300
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2995630

In essence, what I have been begging for you to see is that this is my town play style, the "obvious" scumtells you have on me are in fact null-tells. If this explanation and these FACTS, don't suffice for you, please tell me why and what you take issue with. If you keep saying "You are still scummy, X is a scumtell", and I'm telling you "X is not a scumtell", what can I do? I will be forced to assume you are either a towny who is past willing to listen to logic and will be a liability for us going forward or that you are mafia actively trying to distract town from lynching mafia and lynching me instead. Either way, at that point I have no choice but to vote you and hope you are mafia if you show no signs of reconsidering.

As for my reads on those voting me:

Parama, I wrote your aggressiveness off as a town tell yesterday, even as you were pushing and pushing on me for horseshit reasons. I also found your messing around with your random number generator crap, while counterproductive, asinine, retarded, etc., to not be a pure anti-town distraction but some useless filler that you so mightily claim to "never post". The more I'm thinking about it though, why do I even think you are town? Looking at the evidence, you claim to be positive I'm scum from the minute I make a post outing a town read I have on Kise, and use my vote on you as a reason to tunnel, tunnel, tunnel. I immediately explained myself in this post: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p2981378, later here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p2991298, and here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p2991312.

Eventually, Trouble makes what appears to be a scumslip, so you even offer an apology:

unvote, vote: Trouble

SCUMHUNTER I'M SORRY. IS A COOKIE FAIR COMPENSATION?

I'm thinking ok, maybe he gets it. I'm town. YAY. I found this slightly scummy at the time that you are willing to change your mind, immediately, that I am town because of Trouble's comment. You believed this comment too easily. I found this scummy at the time, but YOUR appeal to emotion got to me. In retrospect, if you were town and really had this read on me that I'm scum, wouldn't you question for a minute this game-altering information that throws your view upside down. Wouldn't you stop to reconsider your entire process thus far this game. Yes, I think you would. You still, even after Trouble has flipped town, have not stopped to reconsider your thought process on why I'm scum, nor even reevaluate your read on me. Why is that? Because you are mafia.

Oh hi dram nice of you to ARE YOU KIDDING ME? DO YOU EVER PLAN TO DO SOMETHING OF ANY USE?

IT'S LIKE EVERYONE IN THIS GODDAMN TOWN DECIDED TO SCREW AROUND FOREVER.

P-EDIT

I HATE YOUR LIFE

unvote, VOTE SCUMHUNTER

dramonic/Scumhunter/DH/split.
Good day to you sirs.

What is coming off as scummy to me is your whole attitude. I just don't buy it. I don't buy that you are upset that we lynched Trouble. I don't buy that you think a scumslipping townie deserves to die. Or if you do thats even worse. Our job as town is not to say "that person is scummy, its their fault they were lynched". Thats a fucking cop out. We fucked up. We lynched Trouble. Me, you, everyone else on that bangwagon is responsible for that vote as much as Trouble is. I do want to review the vote as it happened very fast, but year im rambling now.

Also, the way you say good day its as if you are done with this day, you are trying to secure another mislynch, and then GO "GOD DAMN. SCUMHUNTER WAS SO SCUMMY, DESERVED TO DIE." Sorry this is one townie you aren't going to fucking mislynch and blame me for. Not for your shitty ass reasons anyway. If you are mafia want to lynch me, you are going to have to work for it, and you will fail so don't get your hopes up.

And yes, I know that's half the game. Guess what? There's 4 scum. I'm giving myself a margin of error.
I put DH and Reck at the bottom mostly because
1. I can get them to help lynch the top 4
2. They're more likely to catch scum if they are in fact town
3. Rule of threes
So yeah.[/quote]

K. So, was it ever disclosed to us we have 4 mafia? How do you know this? Is this a known setup. I understood from previous posts that there is no night phase. But with 13 people I'd expect at least 5 mafia. 13 people (4 scum) = mafia needing town to ML 5 times to win. Yea. That's town-sided like crazy.

Parama, or anyone else really, please post your response to the links i posted and actually READ them. If you still think I'm scummy I am willing to do everything I can to show my towniness.

@Parama specifically, please explain your carefree attitude in regards to this game in general and lynching/scumhunting in specific.

Yea, so I didn't really get to other people. MY BAD.

[Scumhunter]

And yes, I know that's half the game. Guess what? There's 4 scum. I'm giving myself a margin of error.
I put DH and Reck at the bottom mostly because
1. I can get them to help lynch the top 4
2. They're more likely to catch scum if they are in fact town
3. Rule of threes
So yeah.

I fucked up before I hit submit. THis part of my last post is a quote from Parama. I usually don't correct typos. But I definitely don't want to be associated with this content.

Also, what is "rule of threes"?

[Scumhunter]

One of you better unvote me. This is fucking ridiculous. Are we playing Bingo or a game of logic?

Brundibar, why are you voting me? Do you have a brain? Or are you trying to be cool and follow other people's great arguments?

Honestly, Is this how you all normally play, just bandwagon people and hope for the best. That is fine and all, I would just replace out. But it makes me literally sick to think that people like Parama have the balls to blame it on the townie that their illogical, random-number generator theory brains have decided to lynch. I'm being 100% serious because if that is the case please let me know and I will find a replacement. How NO ONE has come to my defense is a serious WHAT THE FUCK for me. OMG EVERYONE WANTS TO LYNCH SCUMHUNTER!!!! YAY!!! WITCH HUNT!!! YAY!!!! YAYY!!! Ha. Man. If I were any of you I would bet my life in order to win $1 that I was town. How noone can see it is just mindblowing. Really, really mindblowing. Like mindblowing to the point of losing complete faith in humanity. I'm not even overexaggerating.

[Scumhunter]

Oh, and if it wasn't obvious enough already, the fact that No one seems to think I'm town (Except for dead town Trouble) should make it pretty fucking clear I'm not mafia.

[dramonic]

Oh, and if it wasn't obvious enough already, the fact that No one seems to think I'm town (Except for dead town Trouble) should make it pretty fucking clear I'm not mafia.

... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

[Ythan]

Vote Count

4 Scumhunter (Parama, xRECKONERx, DemonHybrid, brundibar) L-2
1 splitfarvle (dramonic)
1 xRECKONERx (Scumhunter)
0 brundibar
0 Caboose
0 DemonHybrid
0 dramonic
0 Kise
0 Nachomamma8
0 Parama
0 pycyununn

5 Not Voting (Caboose, Kise, Nachomamma8, pycyununn, splitfarvle)

6 to lynch
Deadline May 11th

Pycyununn has been prodded. Don't discuss ongoing games, Scumhunter.