Metropolis: Revisited [Game Over]

[Kast]

To be clear, Mute/ABR isn't a standoff, it's a decision between the two and we're just waiting on KK, Magua, and Plum to provide their thoughts.

The way I see it:
ABR/Mute
-MoI stated that the last NightRider is one of ABR,Mute,LLD,Toog. Since LLD and Toog are flipped, that leaves ABR and Mute. This combined with ABR's claim practically confirms that MoI was telling the truth.
ABR
-Reckless and anti-town behavior for the entire game
-Continued with an immediate strike today, DESPITE attacking Toog for the same thing yesterday
-Claimed a role that is not one of those listed in our semi-open setup
-Claimed a role that we KNOW is the same as the last nightrider
Mute
-Friend was anti-town, then Xalxe and Mute have been lurking/MIA
-IF ABR is town, then the roleblock implicates Mute as prob scum

@ABR-
Btw, why did you target SC and why did you target Mute? Also, who did you target before and why?

[Kast]

@Kise-
Do you understand that the TOWN can ROLEBLOCK someone AND LYNCH someone. For example:
4 people strike Mute
5 people strike ABR
DSK kills one person
Mute has 4/8 strikes = 50% = Mute is ROLEBLOCKED
ABR has 5/8 strikes = 62.5% = ABR is LYNCHED

If ABR flips NIGHTRIDER, then yay town.
If ABR flips TOWN and there is a NIGHT KILL, then we learn that Mute is NOT NIGHTRIDER.
If ABR flips TOWN and there is NO NIGHT KILL, then tomorrow we lynch Mute.

Do you understand?

[Kise]

I do I do I do, I'm just messing with you. It's not foolproof because the scum can still submit no kill in order for us to not confirm Mute's status.

[camn]

Scum not killing = good for town, no? Unless they were going to his the DSK.
At this point, we want to slow down carnage, and start lynching intentionally.

Thank you Kast for recognizing that I am dialing down my recklessness at this stage in the game
I would like to reiterate.. I would like to be one of the last couple people to strike. I am ok with lynching Mute and blocking.. someone else. ABR is fine, since I am yet unsatisfied as to his "B stands for Boss" shit-explanation of his failclaim... but I am also OK with blocking ANYONE. I agree that confirming town is better than not.

I want to go late, because if I die it narrows the DSK suspect-pool. Which is nice, and hems the DSK into an awkward postition. So get to it people.

KAST: you seem to have a head for organizing. I nominate YOU to assign everyone's strike and strike order. Make me in the last couple people, if you like.

[Kise]

So if ABR is blocked, Mute is lynched, flips town, and no kill happens... we think ABR did it is the gang banger? So then we lynch ABR, he flips town... the last gang member points and laughs at everyone. Did I get that hypothetical scenario down right?

This is seriously not a foolproof plan. ABR is town either way. The mod JUST said that some role names were not listed, so security supervisor is plausibly his role. Can we skip out on blocking ABR in case he's needed to detain tonight? (As in, in case Mute doesn't flip gang guy)

[ReaperCharlie]

Metropolis:

Revisited

— The Phantom Pollbooth

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Mute [2] – Albert B. Rampage, StrangerCoug

Hasn't struck a blow yet

– Everyone else

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With 9 alive, it takes 6 strikes to kill, and 4 strikes to send someone to the hospital.

The deadline for Day 5 is May 10th at 8pm PST (11pm EST).

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[Kublai Khan]

Sorry. Been reading..

@Albert B. Rampage - Would you mind giving a full reveal (each night's targets, that sort of thing)? Also, is there anything (flavor-wise) that justifies the "supervisor" title?

I've been re-reading Friend. Despite his short, non-commital posts, he was fairly accurate in identifying Exe (SC), bunnylover (SC), & Baby Spice (NR) as scum.
Xalxe had 2 non-posts.
Mute needs to give a full "I read the entire game and here are my suspects for IC/NR/DSK" type post. Because he hasn't really contributed anything to the game either.

I'm leaning towards striking Mute instead of Albert B. Rampage (pending Albert B. Rampage's answer). But neither are at the top of my scum-list, so.. ugh.

[camn]

So if ABR is blocked, Mute is lynched, flips town, and no kill happens... we think ABR did it is the gang banger? So then we lynch ABR, he flips town... the last gang member points and laughs at everyone. Did I get that hypothetical scenario down right?

Only if we are idiots, which we might be.
Over and over we have said that:
block + no-kill does not incriminate.
Block + KILL CLEARS them.

Some jokers have said "what if the mafia INTENTIONALLY no-kills!!?!?!"

the answer? Great. Then we lynch someone ELSE scummy.. and block someone (if we can).
If the mafia wants to give up their kill.. that is awesome.

Alternatively.. we can lynch someone and NOT block... and the mafia will maybe kill someone..and we get no additional info.
I say we block+kill when we can. It is free info.. or we are forcing the scum to no-kill. Both good for the town.

[Kise]

Actually...

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2945837

Strike: Mute

Thanks, Babe.

[Kublai Khan]

Oh god.. Please don't tell me it's going to be that easy..

[Plum]

So today is play-the-associative-tells for ABR-and-Mute?

Okaaaaay.

Again reiterating that it's a possibility that DSK scans innocent to Cop. Could go either way with ABR's claim but block-and-strike covers most of our bases. A list of night-by-night targets from him would help tremendously. Fact that after Kage kicked the bucket he randomly speculated that he'd been framed some Night because Kage had been on him a lot is a big WTH given that I don't think anyone had mentioned the idea that Kage might've had a guilty scan on him . . . but AGM's initial call of Wraith-Town was awkward as heck and stuff.

And heck, his response to ABR's accusation is

off

in the sense that I'd expect him to outright call ABR scum at some point for the way it went down and at least spend a lot more heavy suspicion on the Supervisor business or something. His overall tone seems to indicate that he assumes ABR is Town (and is therefore a powerrole he needs to convince against rather than a possible intentional aggressor. The only thing he does is question the supervisor status, and he leaves it ambiguous whether he wants clarification and certainly doesn't jump to doubt. I've played just-about-caught-by-powerrole-scum mindset and acting like the catching powerrole is assumed Town is a natural inclination).

[Kise]

It's funny how scum are caught without the use of scumhunting.

[StrangerCoug]

There is only one person left with a nightkill and for Mute's argument to work requires Albert B. Rampage to have either declined or run out of time to send in a kill last night.

Or it could mean a security officer jailed ABR, OR it could mean a security officer jailed ABR-scum's kill target, OR it could mean one of the 2 docs protected ABR-scum's kill target. You're not making any sense.

Whoops—generalized the setup. My mistake.

My suspicion of Albert B. Rampage fell apart when he started gunning after Lady Lambdadelta and Mute's flip will likely say something about Albert B. Rampage.

That doesn't answer the question. When mod is going to provide an answer that could potentially confirm a player as scum, why would you refuse to wait for that mod answer? It makes no sense.

I failed to catch the difference and saw them as one and the same.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No, fuck you, I don't need to prove shit to you guys. Also this:

Actually...

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2945837

Strike: Mute

Thanks, Babe.

And one of the targets I detained was KK the night there was only one kill, but the gang leaders were still alive at the time meaning this information is useless. The first night I detained Magua. This information is also useless.

In my flavor yeah it says that I'm the boss of the security officers.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Actually I just made that up, it doesn't say shit about my role flavor.

Anyway link above means that Mute = automatically scum. nice catch Kise.

[Kast]

@Camn-
I don't trust you as non-SK, so there's no way at all I'd leave you as one of the last two.

@Potential Order-
With Camn clarifying being okay with either lynch, and with KK leaning Mute, that puts Mute as the majority preferred lynch. We still need to hear ABR's full list of targets and reasons (sooner = better), but I'll outline a potential strike order using Mute as the lynch and ABR as the block.

-Mute already has 3 strikes from ABR, SC, and Kise.
-KK and Magua are essentially confirmed (blah blah potentially inv. immune DSK...but that's just not likely) so they should be the last 2.

Assuming Mute is against self striking (correct me if I'm wrong), then he should strike ABR.
I can strike ABR
Plum should strike ABR OR Mute
Camn can strike Mute or ABR (whichever one Plum does not strike)

This leaves Mute at 4 strikes and ABR at 3 strikes; this is effectively

L-1

.

KK and Magua should coordinate a time. At the time they decide, Magua should strike ABR with KK striking Mute immediately after.

If DSK kills anyone before the L-1 point, then the remaining players strike Mute (or ABR if Mute was killed). If DSK kills one of KK or Magua, then the survivor needs to strike Mute for the lynch. In the worst case, if DSK can kill someone between Magua and KK's strikes (or if DSK can submit complex conditional kill orders), then Mute and ABR would both be roleblocked. Seeing a night kill would clear BOTH of them. Seeing no night kill means we're down one player from the DSK, but doesn't significantly effect end game; we'd be in a repeat situation with 8 players alive, but we can guarantee a kill & block (today we can guarantee a block and hence the marginal risk).

It certainly beats the alternative (ie. if we're wrong about Mute and don't go with a Lynch & Block plan), then tonight scum gets a kill which makes the numbers the same.

@Pre-Edit-
ABR refusing to share then sharing 2 nights instead of 3 nights but refusing to give reasons is mind-boggling. Scummy-scum is a much better lynch than Lurky-scum. This town...

[Albert B. Rampage]

Are you a fucking idiot Kast? Have you read the link Kise posted and I quoted?

[Kast]

@Plum/Magua/KK-
If you guys decide on ABR instead of Mute, then:
-Mute already has 3 strikes, so Camn, Kast, Plum should strike ABR. At whatever time Magua/KK agree, Magua should strike Mute to roleblock and KK should immediately strike ABR to lynch.

[Kast]

@ABR-
No, but you and Kise are. BS also went after ABR, LLD, and Toog as MoI's buddies. It's old news that the last nightrider is either ABR or Mute; that's kinda the WHOLE REASON you two are the center of attention.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Baby Spice clearly,

CLEAAAAAAAAAAAARLY

, quoted her 3 partners. We know this because the other 2 were scum of the same faction as her.

And then I claimed to have JK'd Mute last night and there was no kill.

Please go fucking kill yourself for your stupidity

[Albert B. Rampage]

that's kinda the WHOLE REASON you two are the center of attention.

You are so stupid. You are the king of stupid people.

The reason we are at the center of attention is because I striked Mute in the opening post of the day, for the soon discovered reason that I jailkept him on a no-kill night.

[Kast]

@ABR-
Actually, YOU AND MUTE were identified as the last Nightrider. When things started looking bad for you, you CLAIMED to be a roleblocker and to have roleblocked Mute. You then amended to have jailkeeped (probably since roleblocker is the SCUM role).

You now REFUSE to explain your roleblocks, even though (or maybe because?) they were not on your claimed top suspects.
You ALSO REFUSE to share what your remaining roleblock target was.
You ALSO REFUSE to let town roleblock potential scum to offset the danger of your assumption being wrong.

[Kast]

@ABR-
Just because you ignore posts from yesterday, does not mean they were never posted.

[Kast]

The reason we are at the center of attention is because I striked Mute in the opening post of the day

This doesn't even make sense. A strike on Mute makes him one of the only possible candidates for Lynch AND Block, but it in no way makes you one of the candidates.

Also, how about playing the game and trying to make sense instead of just throwing around insults?

[Albert B. Rampage]

OK DSK, I'm ignoring you while I'm still in this game. Don't talk to me.