Open 300 - Mafia on Midol (Town Wins!)

[LlamaFluff]

Cyber is correct about the simle tell as well. Beleive it or not its better than mafia in game average at catching scum.

[AGar]

The really confusing logic that I cant ever figure out between DH-Crazy that to me just makes me feel all types of bad since it was between two (one confirmed now) town reads. I consider stuff I cant follow well scummy since if its a town thought it should be easily explainable.

How is it hard to follow "Crazy made a really awkward defense of a player that seemed scummy and I felt the motivations were insincere."

Then why didnt you just say that flat out instead of turning it into quote walls?

I know you're intelligent...

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3 separate times where I addressed my suspicions of Crazy in a non-quotewall form. One of which was addressed to you. Did I use more words? Yeah. If you're not going to read 1 paragraph, kindly screw off.

[Crazy]

I wasn't the only person that thought DH was town after his freak-out, so obviously there was

some

decent reason to think that DH was town. But what gets me is you get on my case for the "awkward defense" yet you can't really come up with a clear, definitive reason for

why

I'm scummy instead of say:

A. A townie that can't express himself very well.
B. A townie that uses bad logic.

Instead, you go for the way-too-easy route of "OMG bad logic scum!!!"

If DH flipped scum, then yeah, I see the case on me. But DH flipped town and you're still holding to that?

[SocioPath]

I feel better about Punkin as I have been fed brownies for some tasty dissonance, and is helping with the push towards LF.

[singersigner]

Meet Charlie

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Punkin (0):
Cyberbob (0):
AGar (3): LlamaFluff, Crazy, cyberbob
Oman (0):
Papa Zito (1): Thor665
SocioPath (0):
Ranmaru (0):
Thor665 (0):
Plum (0):
chkflip (1): Punkin
Cogito Ergo Sum (1): Ranmaru
Llamafluff (2): SocioPath, Papa Zito
Twilight Sparkle (0):
Crazy (1): AGar

Not voting (6): Oman, Plum, chkflip, Cogito Ergo Sum, Twilight Sparkle, Crazy

Deadline is May 10th, 2011 at 4pm PST.

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[Papa Zito]

I feel better about Punkin as I have been fed brownies for some tasty dissonance, and is helping with the push towards LF.

Their vote is not there. Not sure what you mean by tasty dissonance.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'm going to re-read.

[chkflip]

I'm going to re-read.

[LlamaFluff]

@Agar - Maybe its just that I cant really understand how its a tell. Even with Nacho having flipped town, I cant see Crazy being scum to the extent where I would almost be willing to fakeclaim something saying that he is town.

@Oman Inn - what way have your reads progressed since day one?
@chck - Can you explain your end of day one thoughts a little better? The Sudo vote seemed out of place to me.
@CES - I already have a gut town read on you, setup it up yet?
@SP - What is your read on AGar?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I don't understand the question.

[LlamaFluff]

Just my train of thought derailing worse then normal.

I have a gut read on you but you are just coasting. Asking for more from you here.

[chkflip]

I'm not certain I know which post you're inquiring about, Fluff.

[LlamaFluff]

I'm not certain I know which post you're inquiring about, Fluff.

Your vote for Sudo while calling Crazy and NS scum. You were seeming to call everyone possible scum at the end of the day

I unvoted Nobody Special because I found more merit in lynching active Crazyscum than lurker NScum. Where did I say I was unvoting because he promised content? I've already said I'm trying to slim them down, so I really have nothing else to say of that point.

Why Sudo over them?

[AGar]

I wasn't the only person that thought DH was town after his freak-out, so obviously there was

some

decent reason to think that DH was town. But what gets me is you get on my case for the "awkward defense" yet you can't really come up with a clear, definitive reason for

why

I'm scummy instead of say:

A. A townie that can't express himself very well.
B. A townie that uses bad logic.

Instead, you go for the way-too-easy route of "OMG bad logic scum!!!"

If DH flipped scum, then yeah, I see the case on me. But DH flipped town and you're still holding to that?

Yes, because your only defense to anything relies on the principle that scum never defend town players.

[Punkin]

Haven't had much time for this game because [redacted] is in endgame. Sorry neither of us have gotten to that NS reread yet.

I went through the VCA conclusions. Based solely on that analysis, Chk is scummiest, CES is second, AGar and Llama are tied for third. Weighting these reads into our previous views gives us the following lists:

Scum (in order): chk, Ran, Oman, TS.
Null: AGar, CES, Crazy.
Town: Cyber, PZ, SP, Thor, Llama.

Of course we still have some work to do so don't get too attached. I haven't even reread D2 yet, FFS.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Llamafluff, do you stand by the statements made in this post?

[LlamaFluff]

At this point no, chck is on a shortlist of who would be acceptable lynches today.

If I had to call all remaing scum, its AGar-chck-TS, although im least sure of TS out of those. I dont like reading hydras though since I usually think one head is town and another is scum.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Yeah, I meant the first part.

[Thor665]

Unvote: PapaZito
Vote: chkflip

Here's my case;
I'm feeling checked out of the game at the moment.
There is no support for a PapaZ lynch.
Punkin just produced possibly the best supported VCA I've ever seen and nobody is backing his play after it.

[Punkin]

^ goodposting

Chkflip was the scummiest D1

and

scummiest from the VCA. We're not done poking around yet but I don't see us preferring any other lynch today.

@Llama:

Hop aboard, please.

[LlamaFluff]

Only if people assure me that they will read into an AGar lynch if I die overnight. Just have this wierd feeling that im going to get NKed and he might get away as scum. Cannot shake that feeling.

[Thor665]

You think AGarscum would go for a weak bus like that on Day 2?

[LlamaFluff]

Also I will join up.

unvote
Vote chck

Town List
Oman
Crazy
CES
Thor?
Punk?
Plum?

chck scum turns thor/punk to town above CES level

@Thor - Yes. I just get gut reads all over his slot.

[singersigner]

Plum and Oman have been poked and or prodded in the dirtiest of ways.

[Plum]

Man, I am actually feeling AGar though.

NS is nitpicking at minute details to stall out on doing anything right now. The case on Chk is bunk. But what really really bothers me is he goes after both Chk and Crazy for 'out of game analysis' and votes Chk, with 2 votes on him instead of Crazy, with 4. If the scumtell applies to both, which it seems to me it does, then why vote for the smaller wagon?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nobody Special

I get SP's logic, strangely. But it's bad in this case.

Assuming he means that Sudo is going to lead us to others. Disagree.

I'm amused that chk found that little nugget.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sudo_Nym

NS and Crazy still need to die sooner than later.

Something like a day IRL apart. Note especially the last line of the second quote. Doesn't mention NS again until the next Day when NS already has five votes on him.

@AGar - Can you explain the relationship between DH and Crazy? Which is more likely to be scum independently?

How many times can you dress up the same question and ask it differently.

The relationship was a very awkward shift off of DH by Crazy, with a very lame-duck defense of "He's acting too weird to be scum!" and then followed up with unimpressive points along the lines of "It was a weak reason to vote him!" "He

intentionally

left a scumtell" and shit like that.

Crazy is more likely to be scum independently.

VOTE: Nobody Special

You continue to skirt actually doing anything here. Strategic lurking makes me

After how hard he pushed his Crazy case Day 1 I'd have expected AGar to be at least remotely interested in trying to turn it into a viable wagon. Focused on it some. Not weak-jumped onto the NS-lynch party. Especially not with a smiley (and yes, when a little emoticon accompanies any sort of vote it is worth scrutiny. Voting NS with a sad face for lurking over voting Crazy-who's-been-super-scum-since-Day-1 doesn't line up properly). I mean seriously, this is the guy who's pushing Crazy

today

for stuff that went down Day 1. That means Crazy was scummy before Day 2 to the point that to AGar he's currently a better vote than trying to look at connections to NS, even after the super-fast-possibly-information-rich wagon.

Yeah, I see the Chk stuff and plenty of his own objectively scummish stuff in the mix.

But I'm feeling AGar.

That's all.

VOTE: AGar