Mini 1161 - Neruzian Era Mafia (Over!)

[charter]

Or would you rather we run up someone to a claim, they throw a fit, and everyone can declare them town, and then repeat it four more times?

[Sloth]

I'd rather we not lynch someone that I am pretty damn sure will flip town.

[Vi]

Too tired to catch up but doing it anyway.

Vi

- Rumors of my "sheeping" have been greatly exaggerated.
Unless its definition changed to "not placing the first vote on someone" and I wasn't told about it.

"Not scumhunting" is actually kind of an offensive accusation but I don't care enough to rebut it right now.

Sloth

- Sloth's posts are still bad all the way down. I'm not Glork; people don't sheep me for my reputation unless they're scum, sarcastic, or see me going into top gear.

but see below

hiplop

- has still not given any indication whatsoever as to why he would want to hammer (139) Quilford.

charter

- You say that the Scott vote was a deflection from people who are "actively scummy"... like whom, at that time?

charter, cont.; Scott Brosius

- The idea of me trying to protect Quilford from a single extra vote on a wagon I joined is ludicrous. In case my previous post didn't make it clear, there was no coherent case on Quilford. Pressing Neuky and Sloth wasn't going anywhere, so I voted with Faraday to see what he would do with a wagon. When someone I actually wanted to vote popped up, I moved my vote to him. This recent post from Scott B. pretty much demonstrates why again.

And really. Scum aren't interested in staying OFF wagons that look like they're going to a lynch. Scum are interested in finding whatever cheap excuses they can to stay ON wagons that are going to lynch. You of all people should know that.

charter, cont.; hiplop

- I'm sure I explained the hiplop vote somewhere and it looks very different from how you pictured it... Oh, it's right here in my last post.

Elephant in room: The reasons for voting Qwilfish don't exist, at least not from anyone voting him sans charter.
If hiplop can tell me how and when he started finding Quilford suspicious enough to jump on a wagon he thought was high enough to be around L-1, I will buy a hat so I can eat it.

And it still doesn't exist.

Faraday

- Faraday being feminine in one post and a baller in the next is
I liked Faraday a lot before, but he's... actually being serious about the Quilford wagon. I know I'm tired and everything but I don't understand why he's so scummy he needs to be lynched.

Now that the wagon has gone down I'm very eager to see where he'll go now.

Empking

- only posts to push Quilford toward getting lynched.

Quilford

- has some bad ideas but the desperation isn't abjectly scummy like it seems some people are making it out to be. The L-1 wagon was a bad idea and the people on it are terrible human beings. Oh look, this parade should seem familiar.

Scott Brosius, Faraday, Sloth, charter, Empking, hiplop

Ignoring Faraday, it's probscum or better all the way down. I don't see myself voting anyone who ISN'T on this list Today.

Found Sloth 248. This is :goodposting: and charter's rebuttal in 249 is awful - it's not that you want to lynch claimed power roles, but that you specifically force yourself into lynching the first sap who claims. This is, again, something charter should know better than to do.

Sloth 251 gets it. So. Much.

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tealdeer

Scott Brosius, Faraday,

Sloth,

charter, Empking, hiplop

Lynch one of these people. If your vote is on someone other than one of these people, you're doing it wrong.

hiplop is still an excellent vote for classic a-lurking, but charter is just about as good.

[Sloth]

Vi, since charter is just about as good, howsabout you hop on the wagon?

[Vi]

It would be a somewhat easier decision to make if we had a

Mod: Vote Count

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How is charter scummier than hiplop specifically? Otherwise you should be joining MY wagon.

Or charter might answer that question for you now; it looks like he's posting

[charter]

You say that the Scott vote was a deflection from people who are "actively scummy"... like whom, at that time?

Sloth and Quilford had serious votes. Looker was/is scummy.

When someone I actually wanted to vote popped up, I moved my vote to him. This recent post from Scott B. pretty much demonstrates why again.

Doesn't make sense at all. Scott wasn't the biggest lurker then or now.

charter, cont.; hiplop

- I'm sure I explained the hiplop vote somewhere and it looks very different from how you pictured it... Oh, it's right here in my last post.

Elephant in room: The reasons for voting Qwilfish don't exist, at least not from anyone voting him sans charter.
If hiplop can tell me how and when he started finding Quilford suspicious enough to jump on a wagon he thought was high enough to be around L-1, I will buy a hat so I can eat it.

And it still doesn't exist.

Hiplop did say why he thought Quilford was suspect.

Found Sloth 248. This is :goodposting: and charter's rebuttal in 249 is awful - it's not that you want to lynch claimed power roles, but that you specifically force yourself into lynching the first sap who claims. This is, again, something charter should know better than to do.

Ok, lets just massclaim then. Then we can lynch whoever. But YOU know that running up three people to claim day one is a terrible, terrible idea.

[Neruz]

Zdenek replaces Looker.

I'm short on time atm, so i'll put up a votecount in a bit.

[Sloth]

Hiplop's just an active lurker, something which has a chance of coming from lazy town. But charter is doing actively scummy things, instead of hiplop's passively scummy behavior.

[Vi]

You say that the Scott vote was a deflection from people who are "actively scummy"... like whom, at that time?

Sloth and Quilford had serious votes. Looker was/is scummy.

I was unsure on Sloth, and kind of still am.
Quilford has been beaten into the ground.
Trying to explain to me how Scott B. isn't scummy and Looker is should be amusing; please try.

When someone I actually wanted to vote popped up, I moved my vote to him. This recent post from Scott B. pretty much demonstrates why again.

Doesn't make sense at all. Scott wasn't the biggest lurker then or now.

And if I was voting people for lurking that would be a problem.

charter, cont.; hiplop

- I'm sure I explained the hiplop vote somewhere and it looks very different from how you pictured it... Oh, it's right here in my last post.

Elephant in room: The reasons for voting Qwilfish don't exist, at least not from anyone voting him sans charter.
If hiplop can tell me how and when he started finding Quilford suspicious enough to jump on a wagon he thought was high enough to be around L-1, I will buy a hat so I can eat it.

And it still doesn't exist.

Hiplop did say why he thought Quilford was suspect.

eh wot

Post 95, whichever.
Post 126 was made

after

hiplop offered to nothammer.

Found Sloth 248. This is :goodposting: and charter's rebuttal in 249 is awful - it's not that you want to lynch claimed power roles, but that you specifically force yourself into lynching the first sap who claims. This is, again, something charter should know better than to do.

Ok, lets just massclaim then. Then we can lynch whoever. But YOU know that running up three people to claim day one is a terrible, terrible idea.

That's actually what happened in one of my recent games (Of Rogues and Curses). We lynched scum D1 and D2, and the two or three or howevermany players who soft/claimed V. Townie early D1 were fairly obvTown from then on. That one troll who begged for us to stop claiming D1 was scum.

I remember I had another example when I made the previous post but I can't remember it now.

There's also the time when iamausername policy-forced the Town to lynch the first Vanilla who claimed. iaun was scum, AceMarksman was reasonably obviously Town.

Massclaiming has nothing to do with it.

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Cut by Sloth - I'm going to stay a while longer because of what I noted under the third quote block.

[Faraday]

will get back to this when i get over the fact quilford isn't scum.

[Faraday]

I liked Faraday a lot before, but he's... actually being serious about the Quilford wagon. I know I'm tired and everything but I don't understand why he's so scummy he needs to be lynched.

he doesn't. he's town. i was wrong. meh.

[charter]

Trying to explain to me how Scott B. isn't scummy and Looker is should be amusing; please try.

At that point, Looker was much scummier. Now I'd say Scott is scummier with how he can't find more than one scummy thing in the thread.

And if I was voting people for lurking that would be a problem.

I assumed since the only thing you mentioned about Scott was activity, that was why you voted him. If that's not the case, let me know.

You can show examples of where the person who was run up day one was town and the person egging it on was scum, but I am pretty sure (pretty sure) that there are plenty of examples of the other case.

All this aside, I'm not sold on Quilford being scum.
Scott, who else besides Quilford do you think is scum? Faraday, who do you think is scum?

[Sloth]

Charter, if you're not sold on Quilford being scum, why do you still believed he should be lynched today?

[charter]

I think he's scummy, and at worst he's a vanilla townie. I can tell that you all won't have the balls to lynch someone who claims a power role today, so getting more people to claim is a bad idea.

[Faraday]

i have plenty of balls. don't worry. fear of outing pr's in general on mafiascum is way to fucking high.

anyway empking and twistedspoon are scummy. hiplop's also scummy for avoiding this thread. not liking the juls/darthyoshi slot a whole lot from memory.

sloth and charter are town. neuky is prob town too.

finals coming up soon, other game close to deadline don't expect much till wednesday.

[Neruz]

Vote Count

Empking

( 1 )

- Looker

Quilford

( 5 )

- Scott Brosius, Faraday, charter, Empking, hiplop

Neuky

( 1 )

- pappums rat

Scott Brosius

( 1 )

- Twistedspoon

hiplop

( 4 )

- Vi, Neuky, DarthYoshi, Quilford

Charter

( 1 )

- Sloth

Not Voting -

With 13 alive, it is 7 votes to lynch.

Day 1 will end on May 10 at 0400 UTC/GMT

[Sloth]

Faraday, why is charter town, please.

[Twistedspoon]

Ok, lets just massclaim then.

You weren't serious here were you?

If not that's a very dangerous thing to say; some poor newbie skimming the topic could easily read this and claim in their next post without detecting that you weren't serious :/

[Zdenek]

I am here. I will post by the end of the day.

[Twistedspoon]

@Scott: what are the 3 scummiest things you've seen now?

[Faraday]

someone died. v/la.

This is one of the more disturbing v\la posts i have seen.

[Zdenek]

I've read through the game.


Charter's interactions with Quilford around the time of his claim don't read as genuine to me.

It's way too early for today to end. But you've cracked so hard under virtually no pressure it's extremely unsettling.

Considering that he was at L-1, saying he was under virtually no pressure is false.
This is Charter using a strawman argument for why we should lynch Quilford:

Or would you rather we run up someone to a claim, they throw a fit, and everyone can declare them town, and then repeat it four more times?

I always thought the "right" strategy was to run them up to L-2 maybe L-1 to see how they react, and unvote if they did so in a townie manner before forcing a claim.

As far as Empking goes, he's had some pathetic voting habits so far. He voted Vi because of gut, and later:

FOS: Scott - This post didn't really say much.

At the time his vote was on Vi because of gut. Soon after, he placed Quilford at L-2, and that vote seems pretty opportunistic to me.

One thing I have noteworthy is what seems to me to be an obvious connection between Charter and Empking. Sloth started off the game asking some fairly pointless questions, but considering his join date, I don't see them as being a problem, and they were related to things happening in the game, so I don't have a problem with them. In particular, he asked Charter,

Charter, what are your thoughts on RVS wagons?

Charter responded,

The bigger, the better.

At the time, Charter had the second vote on Empking, and he voted with

Vote Empking
We're going to figure out if you're town on page one.

All of this indicates to me that he wanted a wagon to form on Empking. However, then he unvoted on page 3 in order to pressure Looker. Doing this seems to be contrary to his view of wagon, and also to the goals of his Empking vote. Since it was RVS, none of this would be all that noteworthy, except that the interactions between Charter and Empking have been generally very weak. For example

Charter: Who is more suspicious: Vi or Looker?

Empking, how certain are you Quilford is scum?

I do want to look over Empking, because his reasons he's been giving recently seem suspect at first glance.

When it comes to Hiplop, we have:

you didn't say anything in this post, why quote so much if you're not going to say anything useful

here we have hiplop making a vague attack on my predecessor, but doesn't bother voting him. In his next post he random votes.

i wasn't criticizing, was just wondering why he'd put so much effort into quoting a bunch of posts, but then say nothing.

Unvote

vote:novote

Pansy unvoting kitty-cat.

is quilford at l-1? i don't want to hammer but im sort of suspecting him now

Setting up the opportunity to get on the wagon later, while providing an excuse for not doing it now.

VOTE: vote quilford

adding pressure

Horrible L-1 vote.

I don't feel as strongly about Vi because these things all happened early, but I'll point them out anyway.

I definitely think my Neuky vote is best right now. More than anyone else it seems like he's trying to hide.

She'd originally voted Neuky because something seemed off, now she accuses him of trying to hide. Later she explained this as

*RV post in the middle of evolving discussion
*Post clarifying that yes, you were actually trying to say as little as possible

I also saw your name on the active posters list while I was typing 36 and 38, so I knew you were around and not saying anything then too.

First all attacking someone because you see their name in the active list is terrible, when the person hasn't been lurking. Second of all, the events took place in the middle of RVS, when numerous people were random voting in the middle of evolving discussion.

I also annoys me that Vi called out Sloth for his apparent random vote on Hiplop, but then sheeped Faraday's random vote on Quilford.

Scott is a lame nonparticipating lurker who I'd be fine with lynching.

I'd be surprised if charter was scum.

Why?

All in all, my strongest scum reads are Charter, Empking and Hiplop, and if either Charter or Empking flipped scum, I'd want to lynch the other. I'm a bit hesitant about Hiplop because of his newness.

Unvote
Vote Charter

[Empking]

All of this indicates to me that he wanted a wagon to form on Empking. However, then he unvoted on page 3 in order to pressure Looker. Doing this seems to be contrary to his view of wagon, and also to the goals of his Empking vote.

Page three is past page one.

At the time his vote was on Vi because of gut.

So?

Soon after, he placed Quilford at L-2, and that vote seems pretty opportunistic to me.

Why?

[pappums rat]

Unvote
Vote Empking

Zero scumhunting, way too much defending of himself with no real pressure

at all

(like half to 3/4 of his posts are this), and a poor vote on Quilford.

Scumreads: Empking, Scott, and Twisted Spoon. (In that order)
Townreads: Vi, Quilford, Charter, Zdenek, Faraday. (In that order)

Hiplop, you may have already answered this question, but why exactly did you ask if Quilford was at L-1?

[Empking]

Unvote
Vote Empking

Zero scumhunting

Define "scumhunting". Also: Why do you think I did zero scumhunting?

, way too much defending of himself with no real pressure

at all

(like half to 3/4 of his posts are this),

Excluding this post where have I defended myself?