Open 296: MAFIA WINS GONNA TEACH YOU TO BURN

[ThAdmiral]

My preference is bella

vote: bella

A few reasons:
- Stefunny and bella voted each other for the majority of day 1. Could have been distancing.
- Lane and hero (who is now tbm) both voted for mozamis day 1, and were the only two voting for mozamis for quite a while. Generally scum don't like to vote right next to each other as much.
- Bella did, after all, start the case on ranger which lane jumped on.

Votecount
Mr Trow (1): Empking
TheButtonmen (2): RangeroftheNorth, ThAdmiral
Not voting (3): Bella, TheButtonmen, MrTrow
With six alive it takes 4 to lynch.

[ThAdmiral]

And the math is 5 town 1 scum left.

mislynch = 4 town 1 scum left, nightkill = 3 town 1 scum left
then either:
nolynch = 3 town 1 scum left, nightkill = 2 town 1 scum left
mislynch = scum wins
or
mislynch = 2 town 1 scum left, nightkill = scum wins

I am pretty confident if we go for bella then tbm if bella is town we will win this.

[RangeroftheNorth]

I think both haven't participated much although that isn't really tbm's fault. I want to hear each if their views on each right away. Personally, I think Bella's lurking has been a bit flagrant for scum, but it has certainly been antitown.

[The_Kingpin]

Go town.

And Bin Laden is dead! Woot!

[Empking]

I'm not so sure that Ranger is basically confirmed town. I can totally see Lane feeling things weren't going her way and then deciding to bus. I still agree on the Bella point though.

Unvote

Vote: Bella

[Empking]

Actually I'd be comfortable with a No Lynch right now.

[RangeroftheNorth]

Actually I'd be comfortable with a No Lynch right now.

Why on earth would we no lynch right now?

[Empking]

Actually I'd be comfortable with a No Lynch right now.

Why on earth would we no lynch right now?

Boosts the odds.

[RangeroftheNorth]

Not today. Scum just kills the confirmed townie.

[Empking]

Not today. Scum just kills the confirmed townie.

Oh duh. I forgot ThAd was confirmed.

[Bella]

I think the way lane went in on the Ranger wagon makes me more sure he's the one.

[MrTrow]

I forgot

Really?
guess i`ll have to check my read on you again.

Empking:
0-1: enforces follow the cop (second one hammers 'speed things up' 3x nolynch)
2: called the doc 'pretty obvious scum' in response to a post calling 3 people scummy (1 is confirmed town, 2 were scum)
3-5: actual follow the cop
6: "2 investigations left ,right?", either requesting information that will follow anyway(trying to look usefull), or gloating over probably having wasted an investigation?
7: pulls out a quote to justify a gutread
8: hops on the easiest wagon (the one i read as a trap)
9: votes the first to bite (who makes a remark about bussing while biting)
10-13: defends this vote from a suspicious cop
14: practically denies the 'trap'-explenation (while subtile- pointing at TBM for not reading the votes)
15: asks kingpin to explain his(own: empking`s) actions
16: claiming to have more reasons than the 'too eager' to go after lane (that reaction was confirmation)
17: rules clarification
18: calls for reads/discussion, doesn`t react to the fact no response follows

19: 'i`m not going to just wait this out, but will vote in such a manner'
20-22: calls for nolynch, basically goes 'oops' when having pointed out this was the worst possible move (another 'unintentional trap'?)

So empking:
On what was your read on lane based prior to the 'too eager'-post?
Asuming the read was there, why did you claim your votes(posts) prior to that point were RVS (your 'ranger vote'- was a 'just out of rvs one')

@Bella: care to clearup/explain your last post?

[Empking]

On what was your read on lane based prior to the 'too eager'-post?

Null I expect.

Unvote

Vote; MrTrow

You dont "guess i`ll have to check my read on you again." by doing a pbpa. pbpa are for getting people people lynched. (Oh yeah I'd also reccomend people ISO him.)

[MrTrow]

Your own argument that her vote was too eager. One argument, and suddenly lane is scum.

1. It wasn't one argument, I only

became certain

after seeing her reaction to my vote.

You became certain of a null-read?

[Empking]

Your own argument that her vote was too eager. One argument, and suddenly lane is scum.

1. It wasn't one argument, I only

became certain

after seeing her reaction to my vote.

You became certain of a null-read?

My vote on Lane not my vote on Ranger.

[MrTrow]

Ok i`ll try to translate:

You voted bella (quote supported gut vote).
You voted ranger, when asked about that one

With my Ranger vote I was kind of at a loss to who has scum. Think of it as the same certainty as a just out of RVS vote.

When lane jumps on the ranger wagon(10 minutes later, before the explenation of the previous vote), you vote lane (for being too eager).

When kingpin asks you about the whole 'too eager' thing you respond with

1. It wasn't one argument, I only became certain after seeing her reaction to my vote.

You had a perfectly reasonable case based on that post alone(explained it as well).
Yet here you (as i read it) state you had a scumread on lane before that reaction, which seems to conflict with the 'just out of rvs-certainty' of your ranger vote.

So i asked you to present the case on which this prior scumread was based.
Appearantly there wasn`t.

So could you point out which part of the above is incorrect(or unclear)?

[Empking]

1. It wasn't one argument, I only became certain after seeing her reaction to my vote [on Lane].

[ThAdmiral]

I think the way lane went in on the Ranger wagon makes me more sure he's the one.

In what way?

[MrTrow]

@empking:
So lane`s reaction to the ranger vote was the initial case, lane`s reaction to the vote coming from that case was the confirmation?
check (although i still can`t find where kingpin was asking about the confirmation)
Did find enough about you actually forgetting the 'confirmed townie'-thing though.

Deadline is this Saturday at Midnight

[RangeroftheNorth]

I've been neglecting this game a bit. I apologize for that.

I've said it before, and I'm saying it again now.

Bella, your play is hurting the town

If you are town, start posting.

I currently think Bella is more likely to be town. Lane jumping on to Bella's poorly thought out wagon that quickly without adding anything seems really unlikely if they were both scum.

My current bet for scum is TheButtonman. He hasn't even showed up today yet, and after Hero's behavior, that's a bad sign.

Also, everyone please note that we have a deadline in place.

Vote: TheButtonman

[ThAdmiral]

That's a good point about lane jumping on bella's wagon.

Vote: tbm

[TheButtonmen]

Sorry about the delay, past few days have been hectic and all my games have been neglected.

Post going live within the hour.

[TheButtonmen]

Alright well then;

Due to the nature of follow the cop trying to look for connections in the flipped scums posts was a complete waste of time.

Bella you still haven't answered my question.

ThAdm what's the reasoning behind calling Emp & Ranger conf. town?

[ThAdmiral]

Lane jumped on Ranger.
Emp jumped on lane.

The situation was such that if mafia had banded together they could have just about taken the game out. Vis-a-vis I find it extremely unlikely that either of these two would be scum.

[Empking]

Lane jumped on Ranger.
Emp jumped on lane.

The situation was such that if mafia had banded together they could have just about taken the game out. Vis-a-vis I find it extremely unlikely that either of these two would be scum.

That makes sense.

What do you think of Mr. Trow.