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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:19 am

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Yeah, they were typos, but your key seems to be off:

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a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o q p r s t u v w x y z

t h e q u i c k b r o w n f x j m p s v l a z y d g
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:19 am

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Very nice. Your turn now if you want, or you can leave it open to the masses.
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:20 am

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Interesting with the keys.
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:37 am

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I switched them... With mine the top is the letter in the code and the bottom is the real letter.
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:38 am

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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:42 am

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I'll finish the cipher first, I might play

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L nteiesglrsto ee sma nt e dtittli mrhifteyitfh .


I can't remember if this can be solved without the key (last time I used it I was 10 or something), if it is solvable without it it'll be a pretty easy one.


Edit: Ignore this, I posted another one that I know is solvable
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:28 am

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Okay, we've had short ciphertexts before, but that's ridiculous.
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:04 am

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This one is actually easier with a short one (I believe), I can whip up something larger/harder if you want.

Edit: Apparently applying ciphers that I've learned 10 years ago from memory causes me to keep messing it up :roll: , so I'm posting something else. I'll see if I can find out what I was actually trying to do and post my original idea another time.

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Dfpim rjwmqg, ode ixj ispegt fmwbfj wm diywmq tdj irwswtn te sjixm cxep tdj juhjxwjmlj ec etdjxg ixj isge xjpixairsj cex tdjwx ihhixjmt vwgwmlswmitwem te ve ge.
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:26 am

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inspiratieloos wrote:Edit: Apparently applying ciphers that I've learned 10 years ago from memory causes me to keep messing it up :roll: , so I'm posting something else. I'll see if I can find out what I was actually trying to do and post my original idea another time.

That's fine - just be a bit more careful composing ciphers in the future. I always check to make sure I can unencrypt, just to be sure.
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:52 pm

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I didnt see there was another page of posts o.o
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:04 pm

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I believe inspiratieloos's cypher is still unsolved, kiwieagle.
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Sun May 01, 2011 4:56 am

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HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE ALMOST UNIQUE IN HAVING THE ABILITY TO LEARN FROM THE EXPERIENCE OF OTHERS ARE ALSO REMARKABLE FOR THEIR APPARENT DISINCLINATION TO DO SO


I'm such a cheater. I just throw it in a solver :P
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Sun May 01, 2011 8:24 am

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mist's a cheater! We should ban her. BTW I definitely wanna join Artemis Fowl Mafia :eek:
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Sun May 01, 2011 9:58 pm

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PM I'm trying to keep a folder so I know Pre/In's also anyone can take it. I'm such a bloddy cheater.
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Mon May 02, 2011 1:18 am

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If mist cheated, does that mean anyone can submit a code? :D
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Mon May 02, 2011 1:50 am

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Yes - she's throwing it open to the next one who posts one.
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Mon May 02, 2011 4:08 am

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Okay then. Try this one; it's a
medium


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ZC AL FR SY DO UP BA FL AP MY KO AL FK IS OK LP GU UM HO FR RX CJ KN BU MK PO MY UC


EDIT: Actually, thinking about it, it's probably a
medium/hard
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Mon May 02, 2011 10:51 am

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A  B  C  D  E  F  G  H  I  J  K  L  M  N  O  P  Q  R  S  T  U  V  W  X  Y  Z
4  2  3  1  0  4  1  1  1  1  5  4  4  1  5  4  0  3  2  0  5  0  0  1  3  1


Doesn't look like a transposition, not with zero Es and five Ks. Here's digraph frequencies, for what it's worth:

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   A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
A| 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |A
B| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |B
C| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 |C
D| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 |D
E| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |E
F| 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |F
G| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |G
H| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |H
I| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |I
J| 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |J
K| 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 |K
L| 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |L
M| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 |M
N| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |N
O| 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |O
P| 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 |P
Q| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |Q
R| 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |R
S| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |S
T| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |T
U| 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 |U
V| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |V
W| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |W
X| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |X
Y| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |Y
Z| 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |Z
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Mon May 02, 2011 3:20 pm

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Hmm I'm wondering about the digraph setup. Relevant to the cipher or just choice? Not sure if Playfair would make that distribution.
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Mon May 02, 2011 3:33 pm

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I don't know if you can tell anything from the digraph - the largest number is 2, so it might be pretty close to chance. Going through to look for repeat frequencies, I find:

  • ALF: 20
  • UM: 13
  • FR: 34
  • MY: 34


which doesn't look very helpful to me. If it's some kind of substitution, though, ALF is likely to be a common trigraph, probably THE.
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 3:48 am

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If we guessed simple substitution and proceeded from that basis, we'd have:

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ZC AL FR SY DO UP BA FL AP MY KO AL FK IS OK LP GU UM HO FR RX CJ KN BU MK PO MY UC
-- th e- -- -- -- -t eh t- -- -- th e- -- -- h- -- -- -- e- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --


...ugh, the "teht" looks terrible. Perhaps "ent" or "ion"? The reversal of the "LF" digraph suggests those letters might be "re" or "er"...
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 4:08 am

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Okay then... 24 hours, here's a clue;

ALF is a trigraph, but not what you think it is.
And the code is far more complex than a substitution cypher.

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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 4:27 am

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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 8:34 am

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If it is a more complex cipher isn't the ciphertext way too short? [/hypocrisy :oops:]

Don't Playfair and relatives omit the J to get to a 5x5 square?
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 8:42 am

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Usually - replace J with I throughout.
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