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Post Post #900 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 10:44 am

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WHY are we still dicking around in Day One? I can see the wagon on fitz, but I really just don't think it's going to produce results today. We can take a deeper look at him D2



@Fitz: To clarify, my top three are PR, you, and Cecily, in that order. There's a big gap between PR and you, and a smaller one between you and Cecily. I have no idea why you think the fact that your reasons and mine for suspecting PR are similar is relevant.


some stuff, he puts fitz on his list for lip service, never really does anything to put pressure on him at all (gonna read to see if he ever comes back, but iirc never does)
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Post Post #901 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 10:44 am

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those are pine quotes ftr.
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Post Post #902 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 10:56 am

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Andrew, fitz, and pine were in the not voting column together for a while. Doubt the scumteam would make a party in the not-voting column for that long, especially since it was near the end of the day.

Two scum theory seems stupid to me, especially with a one-shot vigilante.
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Post Post #903 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 11:04 am

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I'm L-1, actually. Satael switched wagons.
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Post Post #904 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 11:06 am

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Oh.
Unvote, Vote: havingfitz
then.
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Post Post #905 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 11:07 am

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What hours are you at school?
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Post Post #906 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 11:12 am

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Really deranged, actually. Mondays and Wednesdays from 11:00-2:50, Tuesdays and Thursdays from 10:30-5:20. Pacific Time Zone.
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Post Post #907 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 11:15 am

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VOTECOUNT 3.5

chkflip (4) - Cecily, Faraday, Bub Bidderskins, mikemike778
Faraday (0) -
Bub Bidderskins (0) -
mikemike778 (0) -
Setael (0) -
Cecily (3) - havingfitz, chkflip, Setael
havingfitz (1) - Nachomamma8
Nachomamma8 (0) -

not voting (0):

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline for Day 3 is
Wednesday, May 4th at Noon EST

That is less than 24 hours to deadline
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Post Post #908 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 11:15 am

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Chkflip wrote:I'm L-1, actually. Satael switched wagons.


So you can go about giving your Cecily case now...

Nacho, I seriously doubt that Satael is scum. In her first post of the game she immediately voted for Pine, and she was instrumental in getting him lynched.

Why is fitz scum, Nacho?
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Post Post #909 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 11:19 am

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So it's like 9 pm over there right now?
Can you post that Cecily case?

Bub, that doesn't necessarily clear her. Pine's self-voting guarantees that there's at least one scum on his wagon, and I really wouldn't be surprised if they decided to bus during the night. Also, she wasn't really instrumental in getting him lynched after her first pine post. Reread her ISO, and point out where she commented on Pine after the initial post.

Fitz being scum is a new thing for me so you'll have to give me a little bit of time to make a case. But the thing that irks me most is his response to Faraday, where he says "you should know I'm town because you modded my only scum games". There's also the pine-fitz interactions, which look pretty damn scummy to me.
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Post Post #910 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 11:31 am

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The case was made before I got kicked out; however, I can re-build it. I summarized a bit of it in a smaller post earlier.

It's 3:31pm right now. Pacific is California, right? O.o
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Post Post #911 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 11:48 am

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Whoops, went the wrong way.
But I'm going to build the havingfitz case now, and I suggest you build your Cecily case. We don't have much time to change things around if you don't want to be lynched today, unfortunately.
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Post Post #912 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 12:41 pm

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17 hours till deadline. I'm okay with Havingfitz lynch, but do we have time for a claim? And enough support? (he's v/la)
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Post Post #913 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 12:44 pm

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Eddard Stark wrote:17 hours till deadline. I'm okay with Havingfitz lynch, but do we have time for a claim? And enough support? (he's v/la)

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Post Post #914 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 1:02 pm

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Well, there's 8 alive right now.
I'm decently convinced that chkflip is town.
I would much rather no-lynch, but the numbers at 7 alive, and then get my fitz lynch.

I'm sure we could drum up enough support, but I'm not quite sure how I feel about lynching him without a claim.
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Post Post #915 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 1:49 pm

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I'm not ok with a fitz lynch since I have a town read on him.

Nacho, why do you think cecily and faraday can't be scum together? A lot of your assumptions are ignoring the possibility of 2 scum + a traitor. How do you explain pine's post that indicates 2 scum?
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Post Post #916 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 2:04 pm

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My assumptions aren't ignoring that possibility at all.

Have you looked at the latest stuff on fitz?
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Post Post #917 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 2:25 pm

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Dunt get havingfitz town read at all.

Don't want a no lynch either.
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Post Post #918 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 2:30 pm

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Why not?
Do you believe that chkflip is scum still?
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Post Post #919 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 2:42 pm

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I think he still could be yeah. And I prefer even numbers if it goes to LYLO, harder to quickhammer for scum.
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Post Post #920 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 4:14 pm

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Right now I'm okay with a Chk or Cecily lynch. Unless nacho can put together a really convincing case on Fitz in the next few hours, my vote is going to be on one of those two.
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Post Post #921 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 4:35 pm

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Cecily wrote:
1) I happy to see the chk wagon growing. 3) So far based solely off of who's being pushed chk/fitz seems like a good pairing.
While I don't like judging completely off of who's sticking up for whom I do not see chk as being anything other than aligned with Pine because setael's case was honestly that strong and not going with it was a rookie scum mistake.

3) And now fitz is pushing me, and I'm still not completely certain what his case is against me
and I'm sad he won't be back until deadline to fill me in. It just seems like a perfect grouping of three and since that's the number of anti-town people we've agreed on for this game I'm fairly certain those are the remaining two. And at the very least it's chk and someone who's playing the last role very [and I mean very] cleverly.

Bold is mine.

1) Cecily...you keep pointing to newb or rookie mistakes by chkflp in your suspicions towards him. He has been on the site longer than you (albeit only by 2 weeks), has made 5x as many posts as you, and he has been involved in 51 topics/games while you have been in 8. Throwing out newb/rookie tells under these circumstances seems a bit weak...and I haven't noticed but has anyone else agreed with you on your newb/rookie accusations towards chkflp?

2) Could you explain this? What do you mean when you say chk and I make a good pairing "based solely off of who's being pushed?" Can you elaborate?

3) I've been pushing you for a few days. What do you mean "
And now
" I'm pushing you? And I have provided numerous suspicions towards you. My ISO 34, ISO 37, ISO 45, ISO 46, ISO 56 and ISO 57 to name several. What do you want to try and tap dance around?



Nacho...you are all over the place. Your reason for suspecting me is stupid. It was meant to be humorous. I realize past roles has nothing to do with respect to this game...but interjecting it as humor gave me another chance to bitch about the disparity. I have
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been scum in almost two years on this site, in 30+ games, except! for one game that I replaced in which was modded by Faraday...hence my comment to him.



Faraday...you don't know what you are doing. Are you trying to relive our game where you were Riddick (ie suspecting me without any basis)? You haven't provided any reasoning for suspecting me. Saying you "aren't big on explaining [your] reasoning" is a cop out. Everyone still alive in the game has provided ample material to at least be able to source/explain whatever suspicions you do happen to have. What is your case on chkflp and on me?



Looking at the Day one lynch....four (Nachomamma8, P.T. Barnum aka Faraday, chkflip, Bub Bidderskins) of the seven players remain from the Void mislynch. One of the dead has been ID's as scum...I find it hard to believe on a 7 player mislynch that there is not at least one other scum member (and I am assuming there are three scum). As I do not think chkflp is scum...that leaves me with Nacho, Faraday and Bub. I'm not confident enough to put a vote on any of them ATT though.

Of the four remaing players alive off the Void mislynch I think there could be one scum (havingfitz, mikemike778, Idiotking aka Setael, Cecily). Discounting myself of course...that leaves me with three. I do not think Setael is scum based on his case on Pine (though it would have been a perfect time to bus a partner given Pine's poor play and scummy hammer) and between mikemike and Cecily...I suspect Cecily significantly more than I do mikemike (see earlier ISO sampling in this post). I would also note that I had Pine 2nd on my suspect list D1 before he hammered Void and voted him in my first post on D2. I also voiced D1 suspicions on Pine in my ISO 56 and ISO 57.

As for the D2 Pine wagon....I could see there being at least one partner bussing him which (not counting myself) leaves Faraday, mikemike, and Nacho. As I am leaning against mikemike being scum ATM that gives me, once again, the toss up between Nacho and Faraday. They are too close for me to choose between but if I had to I'd probably lean towards Faraday. I definitely think there is at least one scum not bussing their partner Pine...which leaves us with Bub, Setael and, once again, Cecily. I leaning town on Setael and between Bub and Cecily it's once again significant suspicions towards Cecily guiding my vote her way.


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I'm not convinced chkflp is scum so I will not change my vote from Cecily.
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Post Post #922 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 4:42 pm

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Not providing cases is kinda what I do, sorry to say.

Also don't ignore my pointing out the pine/you connections, that is scummy, sure I didn't post 6000 words and give it fucking subheadings (not a shot at you btw) but that doesn't make it less valid.

Chkflip is relatively scummy, I felt andrew jumping on the prat wagon day 1 was scummy for the reasons he did it. And very atypical since Andrew is someone who I would expect to see gambits as not a scum tell, since i've seen him pull retarded ones as town before that got him lynched.
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Post Post #923 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 4:45 pm

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Also, you were very scummy in that game I'm sure, especially if I mislynched you >_>
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Post Post #924 (ISO) » Wed May 04, 2011 12:40 am

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Faraday wrote:1) Not providing cases is kinda what I do, sorry to say.

2) Also don't ignore my pointing out the pine/you connections, that is scummy, sure I didn't post 6000 words and give it fucking subheadings (not a shot at you btw) but that doesn't make it less valid.

3) Chkflip is relatively scummy, I felt andrew jumping on the prat wagon day 1 was scummy for the reasons he did it. And very atypical since Andrew is someone who I would expect to see gambits as not a scum tell, since i've seen him pull retarded ones as town before that got him lynched.

1) Well isn't that convenient? That's seems a bit like
Why should we agree with Faraday's conclusion/suspicions?
Uhhhh...not because he made any good points....but because he
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someone is scummy. WTF? Stop being a lazy ass and show your case.

2) Which interactions between Pine and me were scummy? The fact I was pushing Pine relatively hard D1 and followed up D2 with an immediate vote on him or the fact Pine mentioned a few times he was suspicious towards me but never provided a case he promised? Which IMO would be consistent with scum not following through on...and was pointed out to him by me...because it's not easy for scum to build cases on people who aren't guilty. Kind of like calling someone scummy and not being able to provide any rationale other than "Because." :idea:

3) So Chkflp is "relatively scummy?" WTF happened to "Vote chkflip, he's obvscum. Srsly." and "chkflip is the scummiest guy I've ever met"? Your conviction to your non-existent cases on your suspects is appropriate for the amount of effort you have provided on your non-existant cases.

And perhaps you voted me (mislynched) me in the last game because you do not know how to read me/town?

I would point out to anyone not named Faraday/Riddick/Eddard Stark that he is replacing someone who was starting to garner a decent amount of suspicions (PT), he is defending someone who has garnered a decent amount of suspicions (Cecily) and he is pushing a non-existant case on someone who has not been a suspect (save from mikemike and perhaps Cecily) for the majority of the game.

Could Cecily and Faraday be a team?

Four + hours until deadline. What would a chkflp town flip tell those of you on his wagon ATM?
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