New York 131: Tricycle Mafia (Day 5)

[Knight of Cydonia]

Vote: jmurph3

V/LA bandwagon go!

[Knight of Cydonia]

GMT, been here too long, will probably be less active for the first month as I have finals.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Bloody hell, are we out of the RVS already? That was quick.
Would like to know what SubzeroSith and Pine are thinking as to why their votes are somehow less random than others.

Unvote

by the way.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Bloody hell, are we out of the RVS already? That was quick.
Would like to know what SubzeroSith and Pine are thinking as to why their votes are somehow less random than others.
Unvote by the way.

It wasn't that quick. This game was slow in starting.

The Toon Fighter vote began with a lulz-reason but remained there for non-lulz reasons.

And why the unvote without revoting?

Because I don't have anything to go on... yet. 3 pages, not much material but I

do

have a question, which is what are those non-lulz reasons?

[Knight of Cydonia]

@Knight:

Toon, why choose the nhammen "wagon"? Maxous already had 2 votes at the time of you voting, as opposed to the 1 on nhamman. If you were really voting for the purpose of wagoning, you'd vote for Maxous. Seems fishy to me. Glad my vote is already on you, saves me the trouble.

Also--

Because I don't have anything to go on... yet.

Given the unlikelihood of lynching someone on p3 of a large game, why this reluctance? A vote not out is a vote not gathering information, a lack of which is what you're bemoaning here.

Well, I dunno about that, I

am

gathering information right now... information such as the fact you made your RVS vote serious because Toon brought the nhammen wagon up to level with the only other big wagon at the time... say what you like, but bringing a wagon up to joint first sounds like being pretty serious about wagoning to me.

[Knight of Cydonia]

You're drunk right now, aren't you.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Well, I dunno about that, I

am

gathering information right now... information such as the fact you made your RVS vote serious because Toon brought the nhammen wagon up to level with the only other big wagon at the time... say what you like, but bringing a wagon up to joint first sounds like being pretty serious about wagoning to me.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "gathering information"? And does the last line mean you're suspicious of SZS?

Erm, see what you quoted... that kind of

was

me elaborating. Right now, I don't trust anyone, so let's just go with "no more suspicious of him than I am of all you bastards", shall we?

[Knight of Cydonia]

You appear to have failed to notice the fact I was asking a question of SZS and waiting on an answer... but please, feel free to misrep harder in order to justify your vote.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I have no idea what just happened either, I'm going to bandwagon like crazy now.

Unvote: Maxous
Vote: Toon Fighter

Uh...huh. So, you're not voting for any reason other than "Oooh, big shiny wagon!" Noted. Agree with Amor on the whole "hey, vote these guys to look like a townie!" thing, looks like scum directing other scum.

Dislike Wraith using meta to put pressure on nhammen - any semi-competent player (which, for the sake of the argument, we'll assume nhammen is) can be and often

is

aware of their meta and actively plays against/with it. Meta is about as reliable a scumhunting tool as ReaperCharlie is a good poster.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Ah, but you see, that's where you're wrong. You

do

have to explain what you're doing, because otherwise, it

does

look like directing other scum, and if you don't explain I will vote you.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Vote: Thor665

Anything you say darling.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Well, there's saporo and silver, who've done fuck all for at least a day - and in saporo's case, nothing but an RVS vote on... you, oddly enough. No RVS vote is ever truly random, remember... Plus, there's all the people whose votes aren't on your "townie wagon" list. Looking at the massive circlejerk of "you!" "no, you!" shit we've got right now, I'd say just about any of the people involved in that Toon Fighter/SZS...

thing

could be potential coaching targets... not saying they all are, but I'd bet there's scum heavily pushing one of those wagons... just not entirely sure WHICH yet. Working on that.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm making perfect sense, you're just not keeping up.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Knight has been the most consistently scummy. Other players have made scummy posts, which I've tried to call attention to, but Knight is the only one whose gameplay as a whole is suspicious.

Right hang on now you see "gameplay" is a pretty big, nebulous word and is pretty much equivalent to "gut" here since you're not actually giving any kind of quantifier beyond "his gameplay is scummy". That's not a statement you get to make without backing it up.

Thor is basically promising the less active players a free pass if they vote how he wants them to. Just because someone agrees with you doesn't make them town, and it seems stupid to leave a huge chunk of players free from investigation. I'm not sure whether this is just bossy town play or active scum manipulation.

You're right, it does seem stupid. And, since he managed to find his way here and stick around for 2 years, I'm assuming Thor isn't stupid. If he isn't stupid, then he wouldn't give people free passes as town, which leaves me with the last option...

-Koc
Where was I coached by Thor?

I'm not saying it's necessarily you he's coaching, but until just now you and saporo had been out of the game for the longest (speaking of which, where is she?) so it could possibly have been a nudge at one of you two to get your vote in there, or it could have been something else entirely, I'm just throwing stuff out there, thinking aloud, or in type, if you will. I do it a lot, get used to it.
Oh, and I'm glad you think I'm fun. I AM fun, this is going to be FUN.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm loving the whole "accuse someone of inactivity in the post below theirs" thing. Real cute. Feel free to keep that up, since it's all your "case" is.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Uite lurking is typical town Uite

No. Fuck meta, and fuck you if you're going to give him a free pass just by citing it.
Lurking is bad, Uite is bad, Uite, get the fuck out here and post please.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I do find it interesting that Sub's actions somehow make you scummy. Fairly sure one of you is scum, just no idea which one. Both slinging as much crap around as the other.

[Knight of Cydonia]

mastin you lynch me first, if i flip town you lynch sub, if I flip scum... well you'll lynch sub anyway I hope but yeah, if I flip town you'll lynch sub anyway. Deal?

Deity it's a question with conditions..
If I flip town you will lynch sub. I love that everyone is ignoring that I'm asking this and noone is replying.

Regardless I want sub dead.. Is that literally the only reason you think i'm scum?

Also not gonna claim til i'm at l-1.

side-note nhammen is town from his posts.

-Surye
Stop avoiding my question
If I flip town will you be for a lynch sub the next day

This stinks, especially the "if", especially the randomly dropped in, no reasoning "nhammen is town btw", especially the tunnelling on a 1 for 1 trade for sub's life instead of any kind of actual scumhunting.
Deal.

unvote;
Vote: Silverbullet999

[Knight of Cydonia]

"from his posts" is not an explanation. It's half-assing one and hoping no-one calls you on it.
If you're going to call someone scum, you quote posts and point what's scummy out, right?
Do the same if you're going to call someone town.

[Knight of Cydonia]

-KOC

"from his posts" is not an explanation. It's half-assing one and hoping no-one calls you on it.

No it's stating that I don't feel like he's acting like he did in THBB where he was scum

I've stated at least once in this game that I don't consider meta a viable tell, because anyone half competent can take note of their own meta and play against it. Hell, I can do it, and I'm not even half-competent. SO provide a real reason, please.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I don't like Mastin's argument. Or, rather, I like the "at least two scum on this wagon" part of the argument, but I don't like the whole "this is right regardless of silver's alignment" thing. Also find it a little odd that mastin just accepted a VT claim and his vote which was going to be on silver depending on the result of the claim is now "firmly" on SubZero... "I'll consider my vote depending on your claim" doesn't read much like "firmly" to me...

[Knight of Cydonia]

The three posts above me (not wraiths) slightly disturb me.. I won't comment further on it just yet but yeah.

No, please comment on it. I know precisely what that comment is going to be, something along the lines of "look, 3 people with identical views on my posting, they must all be scum!" but go ahead anyway. Oh, and there'll probably be something in there on the fact that SZS suddenly agrees with me which to be honest shocks me too but hey he had to come around eventually.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Silver's at L-1.
I'm okay with this. Someone needs to be ready to hammer before deadline.
mastin's flip flopping on the silver wagon is noted. As is the fact he's put his fingers in about 4 different pies.
Likewise

[Knight of Cydonia]

@Silver - posts 5, 6 and 11 from his ISO.

Also:

My one scum read is you,
I highly suspect Pine and Nhammen, and slightly suspect the rest of my wagon.

I also will throw Nobody Special in the highly suspect list because him being lurky as all hell is normally Nobody Special Scum though he normally does terribad posting as scum as well... and will probably eventually do so.

FLAIL FLAIL FLAIL I SUSPECT EVERYONE ON MY WAGON ALSO NS FLAILFLAIL HOW CAN I GET RID OF THIS WAGON QUICKLY

[Knight of Cydonia]

I really, really don't like this. Will give benefit of the doubt for now, though. Any other cops out there would do well to check mastin out, if they exist. If mastin is town, logical move for scum now is to kill off mastin's town investigations/reads to discredit him... or, if any protective roles exist, and they follow his order... I dunno. It's a lot of WIFOM, a heavy gambit either way from mastin, and it does contradict his views.
The fact Amor and SZS both ignore mastin's call to leave Toon and vote him is... interesting.
I don't feel entirely secure in the SZS wagon - I don't subscribe to the "one of them must be scum" thing, since silver was my only real strong scum read of the two.

unvote;
Vote: Amor

[Knight of Cydonia]

Wow, this is... certainly something to come back to.
Deity confirmed scum, Pine counterclaiming... at this rate, it'll be quicker to lynch everyone who hasn't been confirmed.
Agree with mastin on Nobody Special. WIlling to give him benefit of doubt on yesterdays inactivity. Happy with the DK lynch, willing to go ahead once everyone's had their say. Oh lawd this is confusing, I typed this and suddenyl 10 more posts.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Mastin is one of the main reasons I lend no credence to meta-tells. 'nuff said.

[Knight of Cydonia]

MOTHERFUCKER

[Knight of Cydonia]

Uite: this video is an accurate representation of you. Lurking out of the way all game, doing fuck all, and missing the obvscum. 40 posts in a 54 page game ain't good enough.
Zepher - how on earth you managed to misinterpret a comment on Nobody Special, who I had given zero thought to and who had been lurking all D1, where I stated I was just gonna give him a pass, as not being a fairly obvious breadcrumb of my result is fucking unintelligible to me. Even in the dead QT, we were absolutely positive you were scum because of that/your shitty claim. "Oh, I'm a JOAT, oh, whoops, I don't really have three actions, despite mentioning that several times, my bad".
Mastin - fuck you, and fuck your shit.
Scum - Pine: well played. Seriously, to pull that off at LyLo with a non-existent teammate takes some balls. Amor: Shame you had to go down to Mastin's bollocks, really, because if you'd gotten past that, you were probably scot-free. Nhammen: while I can't exactly criticize the result, the only reason you got away with lurking so much is because the three fuckin' amigos here did everything but put the game on a silver platter for you.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Hey, guys?

Guess what?

I investigated Silver as innocent during the day!
Yes this is a serious claim of using a daycop ability.

Now get off that wagon, 'kay?

Thor might have pushed the Amor lynch, but silverbullet was the primo lynch (at L-1, flailing for his life) D1 until Mastin claimed to have an innocent result on him.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Hey, guys?

Guess what?

I investigated Silver as innocent during the day!
Yes this is a serious claim of using a daycop ability.

Now get off that wagon, 'kay?

Thor might have pushed the Amor lynch, but silverbullet was the primo lynch (at L-1, flailing for his life) D1 until Mastin claimed to have an innocent result on him.

Yeah, at which point Mastin pushed a SZS lynch HARD. Only after we claimed, with hours before the deadline, did Mastin settle for Amor, which Thor had been arguing for seemingly for ages. It takes a few somersaults to give Mastin that credit, IMO.

Without Mastin's intervention, silver was gonna hang, and that Amor lynch probably wouldn't have happened without him fucking up later in the game, since he was a Godfather and all.