New York 131: Tricycle Mafia (Day 5)

[Amor]

I guess it's time we decide who's more scummier, Silver or Sub. I will expect the rest of you guys read thoroughly examine their actions, and I will do the same. Failing to do so, reads Anti-town.

Why do we have to decide who's scummier between the two of them? There are more than two people we can lynch today, and it's quite possible that they're both town...

[Uite]

Okay, I just can't seem to get myself to do a proper reread, so I'll just dive right in now.

I'm getting seriously bad vibes from Toon Fighter, and Thor's play seems off to me as well. The former weighs more heavily than the latter, so:

VOTE: Toon Fighter

As for town, I'm looking at silverbullet and Pine. Everyone else is either neutral, or I don't really have an opinion about.

[quadz08]

Friday the Thirteenth Votecount

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

jmurph3 (0) –
silverbullet999 (3) – Maxous, SubzeroSith, Pine
mastin2 (2) - Toon Fighter, Nobody Special
Wraith (0) -
Amor (3) – nhammen, Surye, Thor665
nhammen (0) –
DeityKabuto (0) -
Pine (3) – Wraith, jmurph3, DeityKabuto
MrZepher (0) -
Surye (0) -
Nobody Special (0) -
Thor665 (1) – Knight of Cydonia
Uite (0) -
SubzeroSith (2) – mastin2, silverbullet999
Toon Fighter (2) – Amor, Uite
Maxous (0) –
Knight of Cydonia (0) –

Not Voting (1) – MrZepher

Deadline is May 18th at 4:00 PM Pacific Time.

Toon Fighter is V/LA for the weekend. (In the future, please state your V/LA information in bold.)
Thor will be V/LA until May 15.

[nhammen]

(unsure if his vote on SubzeroSith was random or not, just replaced in so he missed the RVS stage though)

Totally. Dead serious, in fact.
SubSith's SO Scum. Seriously.

Reasons?

@mastin2: you seem to be trying to slip under the radar easily. Also, your 3 psots so far are bs. No content, a crappy vote with no reasoning, and you want DK to make a big post, but you don't do any.

unvote, vote: mastin

I want more content out of you, fast

"Hey guys, pay me no mind, let's go after the guy who replaced in yesterday for lack of content."

No one seems to agree with me about Knight so...

Unvote
Vote: Toon Fighter

I am agreeing with Amor again!? Just a moment, I think I need to check and see how cold hell is right now.
Toon is playing so badly right now. However, my gut is saying he is dumb town, and not scum. I'm not sure how much of a pass I can give him though, as he has a 2009 join date, so should be at least decent at this game.

I've gotta be honest here...I'm almost completely stumped. I've seen no strong tells or slips from anyone, and the suspicion I have of Toon is pretty weak. Can the people with strong reads make a case or two?

Mafia 101: If you can't find scumreads, then find town reads and whoever is left must be scum.

My slight town read on Wraith was due to him suspecting nhammen due to himself perceving nhammen to be playing the exact same way he played as mafia before. I disgaree with his suspicion on nhammen but I see it as more likely that the meta suspicion would come from town Wraith rather than mafia Wraith making it up.

Yeah... There are three or four players that brought up this exact argument before you did.

Subzero asks why you were'nt questioning or commenting on anything and it was because you were waiting on an answer to this, that stopped you for looking for mafia. You were that focused on defending yourself? Do you think I am mafia or something?
All your comments and questions which you referred to were in reaction to somebody questioning and suspecting you.

What you have done is show zero initiative to find mafia and your sole focus is to defend yourself(to the point of distraction apparently).

Agree. Completely agree.

Where has Nobody Special gone? :/

Wait... he's in this game!?

That's pretty much what was worth reading in that post. It was awful. Two points you just say "why are you lying?" while spelling poorly, you don't dispute the fact that you had indeed gone paranoid about one vote in a large game, tried to discredit his points against you without giving even the tiniest shred of evidence why his points aren't valid, and tossed out an unnecessary snarky comment as a cherry on top.

You've risen almost to the top of my scum list after that vote and terrible posting. If it weren't for Maxous's points about Toon, I'd actually change my vote now.

Agree. Except about the changing vote thing: I'm doing it right now-
VOTE: silverbullet

-Sub whom I'm assuming is icey since he refuses to sign apparently
1. I've given you reasons why i'm voting you, PLEASE READ MY POSTS THIS IS NOT HARD.

Umm... you did? All I see is a "reason" that is completely devoid of reason.


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[DeityKabuto]

mastin you lynch me first, if i flip town you lynch sub, if I flip scum... well you'll lynch sub anyway I hope but yeah, if I flip town you'll lynch sub anyway. Deal?

This post caught my attention.

You are already using "ifs". Why not just claim now?

At least have some faith in yourself, and say "WHEN" I flip town.

Unvote
Vote silverbullet999

[silverbullet999]

Deity it's a question with conditions..
If I flip town you will lynch sub. I love that everyone is ignoring that I'm asking this and noone is replying.

Regardless I want sub dead.. Is that literally the only reason you think i'm scum?

Also not gonna claim til i'm at l-1.

side-note nhammen is town from his posts.

[Surye]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Silver

The silver/sub thing exchange had scum on one end. Silver's resignation to being the lynch puts his the scummiest.

[DeityKabuto]

Deity it's a question with conditions..
If I flip town you will lynch sub. I love that everyone is ignoring that I'm asking this and noone is replying.

Regardless I want sub dead.. Is that literally the only reason you think i'm scum?

Also not gonna claim til i'm at l-1.

side-note nhammen is town from his posts.

Okay, so you want Sub dead, do you have probable case? Or a good reason for this?

[silverbullet999]

.... all of my posts... directed... to him...

why did you ask me to claim btw...

[silverbullet999]

-Surye
Stop avoiding my question
If I flip town will you be for a lynch sub the next day

[DeityKabuto]

.... all of my posts... directed... to him...

why did you ask me to claim btw...

Most claims are done honestly unless done by a scum, but in your position it will make us think ("Is this an honest claim, is he really who he says to be or never-trust a claim, all claims are dishonest, continue the bandwagon?")

[Knight of Cydonia]

mastin you lynch me first, if i flip town you lynch sub, if I flip scum... well you'll lynch sub anyway I hope but yeah, if I flip town you'll lynch sub anyway. Deal?

Deity it's a question with conditions..
If I flip town you will lynch sub. I love that everyone is ignoring that I'm asking this and noone is replying.

Regardless I want sub dead.. Is that literally the only reason you think i'm scum?

Also not gonna claim til i'm at l-1.

side-note nhammen is town from his posts.

-Surye
Stop avoiding my question
If I flip town will you be for a lynch sub the next day

This stinks, especially the "if", especially the randomly dropped in, no reasoning "nhammen is town btw", especially the tunnelling on a 1 for 1 trade for sub's life instead of any kind of actual scumhunting.
Deal.

unvote;
Vote: Silverbullet999

[Pine]

^L-2

I read the "One for one trade" line of Silver's as a town-by-repetition attempt by Silver. On the other hand, the argument between Silver and Sub struck me as distinctly not Town vs Town. I just couldn't put my finger on who until I considered Silver's performance in TWBB. For that reason, if he does flip Town, I'd be inclined to go with his advice and at least put the pressure on Sub tomorrow.

[silverbullet999]

-KOC

no reasoning "nhammen is town btw"

side-note nhammen is town

from his posts.

....

to expand... even though i thought it was implied... Scum nhammen doesn't post like that from when I played with him.

least you accepted the deal.. less that was sarcasim.

[Knight of Cydonia]

"from his posts" is not an explanation. It's half-assing one and hoping no-one calls you on it.
If you're going to call someone scum, you quote posts and point what's scummy out, right?
Do the same if you're going to call someone town.

[Surye]

-Surye
Stop avoiding my question
If I flip town will you be for a lynch sub the next day

I'll never promise a lynch for a future day, that's terrible. If you're asking if he's top of my list going into D2, yes. But a lot can happen N1 and during the next day.

[Pine]

"from his posts" is not an explanation. It's half-assing one and hoping no-one calls you on it.
If you're going to call someone scum, you quote posts and point what's scummy out, right?
Do the same if you're going to call someone town.

No. I agree that leaving it at "from his posts" wasn't enough, but generally you

don't

want to spell out precisely why. Often, it comes from picking up on Town PR tells that you hope scum didn't see, and explaining in exacting detail why someone is Town makes them a

target

. Town doesn't do that to Town.

Like I said, in this situation I agree with you. If I were Town going down in flames and about to be mislynched, I'd be doing everything in my power to get my reads out there, especially my strong reads. When I flipped Town, they'd have extra weight and get looked at again.

The fact that Silver isn't doing so is further evidence against him, and throwing out WIFOM-laden statements like that is almost a scumclaim.

[silverbullet999]

-Pine

Like I said, in this situation I agree with you. If I were Town going down in flames and about to be mislynched, I'd be doing everything in my power to get my reads out there, especially my strong reads. When I flipped Town, they'd have extra weight and get looked at again.

Seriously Pine.

Are we really gonna forget the lesson learned from THBB with mastin (yes he wasn't lynched but nonetheless...)?

[silverbullet999]

-KOC

"from his posts" is not an explanation. It's half-assing one and hoping no-one calls you on it.

No it's stating that I don't feel like he's acting like he did in THBB where he was scum

[Pine]

WTF are you talking about?

[Pine]

^@Silver

[silverbullet999]

MASTIN STATING YOU WERE TOWN AND TO LYNCH HIM OVER YOU AND TO NOT LYNCH YOU. SIMILAR SITUATION. I"M NOT GONNA GO NHAMMEN IS DEF TOWN! SO IS THIS GUY AND THE OTHER!

[Knight of Cydonia]

-KOC

"from his posts" is not an explanation. It's half-assing one and hoping no-one calls you on it.

No it's stating that I don't feel like he's acting like he did in THBB where he was scum

I've stated at least once in this game that I don't consider meta a viable tell, because anyone half competent can take note of their own meta and play against it. Hell, I can do it, and I'm not even half-competent. SO provide a real reason, please.

[mastin2]

[b[Unvote, Vote: Silver[/b]
^Intentionally broken, as to 1: keep my vote on Sub, and 2: Not risk hammering Silver before I'm ready for the day to end, but consider that an honorary L-1, Silver.

In other words:

Claim Time, Silver

. Or it becomes real.

[quadz08]

mastin, read the rules, please. I will not count that vote, as you specifically stated that it was not intended to be a vote. Be aware of this rule for the future, though:

2)

There will be no voting trickery. If something is clearly intended to be a vote for a specific player, I will treat it as such.