Mini 1159 - Powerrox93's Mini Normal I (Game Over)

[-L-]

Mmm. Did not know those show up in this setup.

[C-Worl]

I'm not sure if they do. (I think Jester's are banned from Normals) I'm just using them as example of roles that don't have powers. Technically a Mafia Goon doesn't have powers unless he's told to do the NK.

[Powerrox93]

Votecount 1.16

Updated as of post #276

[L] (5) - tarsonisocelot, Zdenek, crazypianist1116, C-Worl, Uncle Pain
tarsonisocelot (4) - yabbaguy, redtail896, [L], Prox
DemonHybrid (1) - Me=Weird
Prox (1) - imaginality
Jase (1) - DemonHybrid

Not voting (1) - Jase

If there's a mistake let me know.
13 Alive == 7 to Lynch && 7 to No-Lynch

[L]

will be lynched at deadline if votes doesn't change

V/LA

tarsonisocelot: Until May 7
Uncle Pain: May 6 - 8
Powerrox93: May 12 - 15. Back-up mod Empking will look over the game while I'm away

Deadline

May 14 06:00 CEST

[C-Worl]

Thread stalled. I've read it but I'm not really sold on anyone being scummish yet so...

Unvote

Now, can I get tarson, zdenek, crazypianist, and uncle pain in their own words in the shortest paragraph possible why they think [L] is scum.

Can I also get yabba, redtail, [L], and prox in their own words in the shortest paragraph possible why they think tarsonisocelot is scum.

Consider yourselves as trying to win over my vote. Failure to comply will be seen as you sheeping to the wagon that you're on.

I also want M=W, DH, Imagin, and Jase to tell me why they've decided to stay off the big wagons, why they've chosen to instead vote who they've voted for, and in Jase's case I want to know why he's chosen not to vote at this time. Failure to comply will be seen as you're just safe voting.

[imaginality]

C-Worl: So [L] was scummy enough to vote (and, quite possibly, see lynched before your re-read was done) while you were mid-re-read, but doesn't look scummy to you anymore now you've finished the re-read? What changed?


My reasons for voting Prox were listed in 249:

Spoiler: imaginality 249

Prox(Mist(GroupThink)) - I didn't like the way Mist7676 joined the StefanB wagon in 143. And avoiding commenting on [L] and SurpriseCarcinogen in his reads, then delaying (and avoiding) answering Uncle Pain's question about them, is suspicious in my eyes. Sign of scum wanting to see how the town's opinion lies before answering? Prox's first post doesn't inspire me with any greater confidence.

Actually, you know what, Unvote; vote: Prox I want to see where this goes. I think there's already enough reason to apply a vote here.

@Prox: What about tarsonisocelot's iso don't you like? Who else would you support a lynch of?

In the same post I said I'd be okay with an [L] lynch but wasn't sure enough of him being scum to vote him to L-1 yet. And that I disagree with the 'fluff' case on tarsonisocelot as being good enough to lynch. That's pretty much still where I'm at with them.

Sidenote: I'm curious why you represent me (and Me=Weird too for that matter) as 'staying off the big wagons', when StefanB was one of the two biggest wagons for a long time (until you and Prox replaced in and unvoted him in quick succession). The way you phrase it makes it sound like a daylong thing.

What are your thoughts on Prox (and predecessors)?

[Me=Weird]

Townie claim doesn't really mean anything. Now that C-Worls unvoted,

Unvote, Vote: [L]

Speaking of which, why did you unvote?

I also want M=W, DH, Imagin, and Jase to tell me why they've decided to stay off the big wagons, why they've chosen to instead vote who they've voted for, and in Jase's case I want to know why he's chosen not to vote at this time. Failure to comply will be seen as you're just safe voting.

Is this some kind of a joke? Stefan was the biggest wagon for a while, and then I expressed willingness to vote for [L], which would have been the hammer.

[-L-]

My suspicions with TO began on day one, with [her?] wifom-y:

Hi andrew,
I'm only a serial killer in your dreams.
My name means Ocelot of Tarsonis.
Question marks are your friend, yes?
<3 TO, the cannibal

I really didn't like this banter. It's obvious why, but people of this manner tend to be the ones who joyfully exclaim post-game "But I even crumbed!" This continues with [her?] next post.

andrew94 is onto something but not for the reasons he thinks. tarsonisocelot's greeting to townies and mafia is not the mark of a serial killer. It's the sign of a mafioso who's thinking only in terms of town and mafia, rather than a townie who's considering all possible enemies. (Also the 'mafia scum' seems a bit forced when he could just say 'mafia', clearly trying to distance himself a bit with that phrasing.)

Vote: tarsonisocelot

As for yabbaguy, StefanB's question is about as useful as the 'are you carrying illegal drugs?' questions on custom forms. "Why yes, StefanB, I am scum." But he's right that yabbaguy's concern about being a possible lynchee is a bit odd. One to keep an eye on.

Or there were only two [insert faction here] slots in the template text "Good morning [Group A] and [Group B]!".

Serial killers are unlikely to respond to greetings anyway, being of an antisocial nature for the most part.

Question won't get a usefully truthful answer sure, but it could create an interaction to look at later.

Nota Bene: I'm female.

By saying what people should expect serial killers to do, [she?] is in effect excusing herself to be as playful and engaging as she wishes. No need to point out that the worry of someone saying post-game "But I was so obvious!!" is sticking in my craw.

As you watch the rest of [her?] posts, [she?] has the air of one who is decidedly detached from the game. [Her?] posts are consistently fluff-filled as a pillow, and rarely accusatory. When yabba and others challenge her lack of scumhunting, she begins to "hunt", by writing up a PbPA. A lot of her points are still fluffy - most are regurgitations of the observations others made prior to her posting. None are original and new. AKA barnacle'ing with flair, with some accusatory points making their way into her analysis.

It was here when she began querying me - to which I responded but never got any pushback from her. That's the mark of scum who ask questions to be seen asking questions.... but since they already know the answer they aren't interested in searching deeper. I reached my point of ambivalence with her when she started behaving differently - and unvoted. I've since revoted because now that others see similar things to what I am seeing it bolsters my point of view.

These reasons are they for which I am voting TO.

[Zdenek]

Zdenek's vote makes me feel worse about him. It's too EARLY to be active lurking. That's a ridiculous assumption.

Don't call it active lurking if you don't want to. Regardless, it was contributing without scum hunting. Of course it's a moot point now.

@zdnek: I was not pushing for stefanb to vote me - how di you also misunderstand this?

Perhaps we aren't speaking the same language, you said

Just vote me stefan, since you believe I'm scum. Don't worry about what others think of you - when you find scum, you vote for them. Don't hesitate - that's scummy, as you've already stated. But it goes beyond that. Scum tend to show caution more than town.

You tell him to vote you, and you say the him failing to vote you is scummy. That is you pushing for him to vote you.

Now, can I get tarson, zdenek, crazypianist, and uncle pain in their own words in the shortest paragraph possible why they think [L] is scum.

No, because I don't have to. It's pretty clear why [L] is scummy.

[-L-]

You really are choosing to misunderstand - Zdenek.

Mine was a clear statement showing that I thought StefanB was scummy, that I was telling him not to be so cautious, NOT - "Here, just vote me already if you're going to choose to accuse me. /roll over on back like turtle"

Clearly, he replaced out after my challenge. Stop being bullheaded for a moment Zdenek.

[Powerrox93]

Votecount 1.17

Updated as of post #283

[L] (5) - tarsonisocelot, Zdenek, crazypianist1116, Uncle Pain, Me=Weird
tarsonisocelot (4) - yabbaguy, redtail896, [L], Prox
Prox (1) - imaginality
Jase (1) - DemonHybrid

Not voting (2) - Jase, C-Worl

If there's a mistake let me know.
13 Alive == 7 to Lynch && 7 to No-Lynch

[L]

will be lynched at deadline if votes doesn't change

V/LA

tarsonisocelot: Until May 7
Uncle Pain: May 6 - 8
Powerrox93: May 12 - 15. Back-up mod Empking will look over the game while I'm away

Deadline

May 14 06:00 CEST

[Jase]

Thread stalled. I've read it but I'm not really sold on anyone being scummish yet so...

Unvote

Now, can I get tarson, zdenek, crazypianist, and uncle pain in their own words in the shortest paragraph possible why they think [L] is scum.

Can I also get yabba, redtail, [L], and prox in their own words in the shortest paragraph possible why they think tarsonisocelot is scum.

Consider yourselves as trying to win over my vote. Failure to comply will be seen as you sheeping to the wagon that you're on.

I also want M=W, DH, Imagin, and Jase to tell me why they've decided to stay off the big wagons, why they've chosen to instead vote who they've voted for, and in Jase's case I want to know why he's chosen not to vote at this time. Failure to comply will be seen as you're just safe voting.

In what way have I been staying off the big wagons? Who did I vote for instead? As for why I'm not currently voting go read page ten. If you still have a question after that then ask away.

L: You're beginning to show a pattern of using accusations of intentional misrepresentation as a defense. You say "Oh I didn't mean that, you're choosing to misrep me". If that's what you think is happening why not pursue a case because that's obviously scum motivated isn't it?

[-L-]

@Jase: No.

[imaginality]

[L] pushing a 'tarsonisocelot is SK' alternative to his wagon makes me feel surer about the scum case on [L].

Unvote; vote [L] (L-1)

[C-Worl]

C-Worl: So [L] was scummy enough to vote (and, quite possibly, see lynched before your re-read was done) while you were mid-re-read, but doesn't look scummy to you anymore now you've finished the re-read? What changed?

I wasn't feeling it anymore.

Also, saying "He used to be a big wagon so your question is stupid" is quite hilarious bc, if you've been keeping up with the thread then you would have seen people unvote and thus maybe I should have phrased the question as so. "Why do you still solitarily cling to that wagon? What about it makes you believe that one person is scummier than the two currently biggest wagons?"

Of course asking all that felt long winded and my original question seemed appropriate because @ the time of me asking you two were not on the two currently biggest wagons.

zdenek's refusal to respond to my request has been noted.

[C-Worl]

In what way have I been staying off the big wagons? Who did I vote for instead?

Not Voting counts as a wagon itself. (Mastin rules) However, your poist on page 10 does make sense in a way. However, if you think someone is scum, why wait before hammering him? What else did you expect to arise from the situation?

[Jase]

In what way have I been staying off the big wagons? Who did I vote for instead?

Not Voting counts as a wagon itself. (Mastin rules) However, your poist on page 10 does make sense in a way. However, if you think someone is scum, why wait before hammering him? What else did you expect to arise from the situation?

We've got things happening. Replacements catching up, TOs reread analysis. The biggest thing is I don't want the day to end without our replacements being well integrated into the game. I want as much from them as I can get so I can make a nice informed read. It's inaccurate to say that I've been staying off the big wagons, I just am currently off one of the big wagons. Really though vote or no I think it's clear that I still support the wagon, and am sort of "unofficially" on it if that makes sense.

While I'm thinking of it...the IIoA point against TO isn't really that strong at this point. Going through page by page the way she is it makes sense that the early stuff wouldn't draw much analysis because for one early cases tend to be weak, and two hindsight is a thing. Example: Player X seems scummy in the beginning but you know that later they shape up and become more townish, looking back it'd be silly to call them out for what has already been resolved. That sort of thing. If she continues to make analysis light posts then I can see a very strong IIoA point against her. That's another fantastic reason to not end the day yet.

[Jase]

EBWOP:

I forgot to say this...

L: "No" what?

[imaginality]

Also, saying "He used to be a big wagon so your question is stupid" is quite hilarious bc, if you've been keeping up with the thread then you would have seen people unvote and thus maybe I should have phrased the question as so. "Why do you still solitarily cling to that wagon? What about it makes you believe that one person is scummier than the two currently biggest wagons?

Of course asking all that felt long winded and my original question seemed appropriate because @ the time of me asking you two were not on the two currently biggest wagons.

I didn't say your question was stupid, I said it misrepresented the situation. And yes, the alternative you give would have been a much better question to ask, and much clearer that that's what you were asking. Instead, it sounded like you were asking about a consistent day-long pattern of avoidance, rather than why I wasn't on either of the present two in particular.

[-L-]

Jase: "If that's what you think is happening why not pursue a case because that's obviously scum motivated isn't it?"

To that. Did you already forget the only question you asked prior to my answer? Or are you just questioning to be seen questioning?

[-L-]

[L] pushing a 'tarsonisocelot is SK' alternative to his wagon makes me feel surer about the scum case on [L].

Unvote; vote [L] (L-1)

Am I pushing the case? Or am I explaining why I voted TO? Think about it.

Oh that's it! I'm explaining why I suspect TO! That's right!

[-L-]

At this point imaginality stinks to high heaven of scum.

[C-Worl]

[L] your arrogance isn't helping your case right now.

[Jase]

Jase: "If that's what you think is happening why not pursue a case because that's obviously scum motivated isn't it?"

To that. Did you already forget the only question you asked prior to my answer? Or are you just questioning to be seen questioning?

So is that "No I don't think that's what's happening" or "No I don't think it's scum motivated?" or Both?

Also what are your reads of the people on your wagon?

[-L-]

[L] your arrogance isn't helping your case right now.

Where do you see this supposed arrogance?

[-L-]

@Jase: No to both questions.

tarsonisocelot: OMGUS, has not pointed out anything others did not point out prior to her vote. Bandwagoner.
Zdenek: Pretty null.
crazypianist1116: Leader of my wagon, I'm almost convinced he is town, though.
Uncle Pain: Pretty convinced he actually thinks I'm scum.
Me=Weird: Same as Uncle Pain - pretty convinced he actually thinks I'm scum - but some of it seems fabricated.