Charlie the Unicorn Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Doombunny9]

@Doom -- I would be fine with an RC quicklynch right now, or anytime. He's anti-town. I'm not convinced he's scum, but he is certainly anti-town; moreso at this moment than anyone else IMO.

This is terrible. The towns first goal on D1 should be scumhunting, not policy lynching. Policy lynching should only be used if no other reasonable lynch decision can be made.

I would Shun Pulin if he claimed to have no post restriction because his needless adding of complexity to an already complex game is also anti-town.

Same as above although I must ask-Is it really that much more complex to be worth a policy lynch? As long as you can understand it, I see no problem.

And since when was having a life a scum tell? Having three posts by page 4 is hardly inactivity, and this is far too early in the game to be saying 'LOL HES AN IRONIC BULLSHITTER CAUSE HE SAYS ABOUT POSTING CONTENT WITHOUT POSTING ANY HIMSELF'.

He called you out for not posting much useful content. You don't need that much time to post useful things to go off of.

As for the Alliance debate: I think it's way too early for one at this point. Sure they can be useful but when its this early in the game, scum infiltration will be easy. Also, I have to agree with Umbrage to a point. Large walls of text about alliances are distracting and don't really help. I feel as if everyone here is either pro-alliance at this point or they aren't and are unlikely to change. Alliance discussion is fine but when it takes up the bulk of your posts, its not helpful anymore, just distracting people away from scumhunting.

[Umbrage]

No to both. But I recently won a scum game by distracting the town through spamming silly THIS PLAN IS GOOD FOR TOWN crap. I see no good reason to form an alliance. I already see how it is distracting everyone from scumhunting.

[ReaperCharlie]

Fine, I will shut up about it until later today or tomorrow.


Umbrage, you're no longer invited, though.


Doombunny. Who do you think is scum or town? And why?

[Hiraki]

EBWODP: The "Down, boy." sentiment was meant to discourage the use of RAWR CAPSLAWK, not to discourage the use of logic, arguing, debate, and other fine and useful Mafia tools.

Just so we're clear.

Why would you want that?

I mean. I'm uber pro-town with the caps.

DAMNIT NS.

I'll actually post content later. Just a bit tired/lazy right now.

[Rhinox]

yes of course I'm not going to

really

push for a policy lynch of kryptinen just because of the vote restriction. But I don't believe his post restriction is a town tell, and it is annoying to have to rely on copy+paste to an outside site when browsing on a mobile, and it will negatively affect my ability to be able to read him throughout the game.

I do see where charlie was coming from though. I was mostly being fecetious when I quoted the "Expect the Unexpected" rule. I don't agree it is a town tell that I quoted it because I would have to think you're all idiots to think that maybe someone missed it so scum wouldn't want to draw attention to it. And I don't think you're ALL idiots <3

@Pulindar

Questions1. What do you think of Charlie's claim that your action seems scummy?
2. What do you think about RC saying you post 4 is probtown?

Hey I think I already addressed both of these up above

But just to be clear, 1: I see his point of view but disagree about the confirmed-town-ness of a post restriction. 2: I don't agree my comment should be seen as a town tell but unicorns <3 other unicorns so no problem with RC right now.


I'm fine with the alliance idea. I see the potential merit in it. Its a new strategy to me, and I'm willing to see how it goes.

unshun, shun Hiraki

posted a few times, has said absolutely nothing unique and relevant so far. Came closest by answering directed questions, but it looks like he's only interested in appeasing players who talk to/about him.

and he's on the alliance hitlist

[Hiraki]

posted a few times, has said absolutely nothing unique and relevant so far. Came closest by answering directed questions, but it looks like he's only interested in appeasing players who talk to/about him.

and he's on the alliance hitlist

I'll actually post content later. Just a bit tired/lazy right now.

I like Umbrage.

So, I can change my vote.

Even if I'm not confident of scum yet.

This just looks like a really big piece of juicy meat.

[Hiraki]

Unshun, Shun: Rhinox

[Hiraki]

EWBOP2:

Also note that Rhinox merely states he's okay with the Alliance idea.

RC. IF YOUR ALLIANCE IDEA WAS A GAMBIT, LIKE I SUSPECT IT WAS, YOU BETTER FUCKING HOP ON THIS SHIT RIGHT NOW.

[ReaperCharlie]

No, it's a legit idea. Still very much on the table.

[Hiraki]

I HAD FALSE HOPE.

UGH.

[ReaperCharlie]

Stop using caps. It's annoying. Also:

YOU BETTER FUCKING HOP ON THIS SHIT RIGHT NOW.

No.

[Rhinox]

I don't care how many excuses you make for your lack of content.

Nice omgus and misrep all in one.

[Rhinox]

@Hiraki:

What part of:

"I'm fine with the alliance idea. I see the potential merit in it. Its a new strategy to me, and I'm willing to see how it goes."

equals

"Rhinox merely states he's okay with the Alliance idea."

???

[ReaperCharlie]

What part of:

"

I'm fine with the alliance idea

. I see the potential merit in it. Its a new strategy to me, and I'm willing to see how it goes."

equals

"

Rhinox

merely

states he's okay with the Alliance idea

."

???

Seems pretty close to me.

Where is the misrep?

[ReaperCharlie]

Potential Explanation (?): I think Hiraki thinks that my Alliance thing was a gambit to get someone to agree with it, which would somehow mean that they'd be scum... ? But he also probably didn't read my posts, or if he did, he didn't realize they were from an actual game, and that I'm actually 100% serious here. Also, doesn't make sense, etc. Please explain your train of thought here, Hiraki.

[Hiraki]

No, I'm saying that Rhinox says it's good, while there are potential arguments against it.

Instead of quoting what he likes about the Alliance, he merely states, "I'm fine with the alliance idea. I see the potential merit in it. Its a new strategy to me, and I'm willing to see how it goes."

For the record, new strategies don't always work. Not to mention, new strategies should be used with logic.

Also, "I'm willing to see how it goes" smells like "I'm willing to hop on for a free game."

[ReaperCharlie]

Hmmm, I see what you mean, but it's rather null imo.

Would you be down for the Alliance, Hiraki?

[Hiraki]

Hmmm, I see what you mean, but it's rather null imo.

Would you be down for the Alliance, Hiraki?

I've kind of already said no.

[Nobody Special]

I think I've found my biggest problem with Alliances: In a game where you simply cannot trust anyone, an Alliance dictates that you trust your fellow players. The Alliance is like trying to forge a new 'informed' group that really isn't informed at all.

That said, I don't like Umbrage's nor Hiraki's reaction to the proposed alliance. I should re-read (and I'm trying to work right now, so tonight), but I'm not sure that either has intelligently responded to the alliance idea. It seems more reactionary and emotional on the surface. Like I said, I'll revisit this tonight.

[Hiraki]

I haven't to be quite honest, NS. I'm just being really lazy.

[Stefunny]

@Stefunny: Tell me more about your history in unicorn based games.

I don't see how this is really relevant. I stated what I need to state already. In games I have played with Unicorns I have been NK'd Night 1. They apparently think it's funny...

@NS: Although I find some of RC's posts to be slightly ridiculous I think suggesting or stating you'd be happy with a policy lynch ESPECIALLY this early in the game is extremely scummy.

His arrogance and attempt to direct the town is not to be trusted. He does the same whether he's town or mafia, and without being able to tell the difference, I can't trust him.

How well do you know RC around site? He tends to lean toward the arrogant side regardless of what the discussion is about, you seem to know this since you refer to it being the same whether he is town or maf, so how does it automatically make him maf? Also, are pro-town people not allowed to be leaders in the game? I am confused by how SURE you are that he is scum so early in the game. I mean;

And it's not so much that you're the ONLY PLAYER that I think is anti-town; it's that you're SO MAGNANIMOUSLY anti-town that you're filling up the radar screen so that there's no room for anyone else.

that sounds PRETTY sure. I also think it's funny how SURE you are that he is anti-town but you are concerned about other people's negative reactions to the Alliance idea.

Regarding the alliance idea:

1. Do you or do you not think that alliances could be useful if led by pro-town people? Confirm or deny.

This line implies that we know you ARE pro-town. How would you feel about an alliance where we chose not to include you until we felt you were pro-town?
Also, I'd like to note that TWICE

Why so averse to the idea of an Alliance, NS? Whether that's because you weren't invited, or because you only ever remember me doing it as scum (HP mafia) I don't know, but Alliances are extremely pro-town, and there is a huge net benefit.

I realize how hard it is to trust me after Harry Potter, but hey. I was scum then and I was doing what it took. Now I'm doing what it takes again, just from the other side of the coin.

you refer to a previous game where you had an alliance and you were scum!

That being said I'm not entirely opposed to the idea. If you have a large enough group to start then you are guaranteed that any scum IN the group would have to end up doing anti-scum things. UNLESS, the person who is "in charge" of the alliance is misguiding everyone. Which means [quote="RC]There ARE no cons to this idea, only PROs. A lot of them.[/quote] Is not really true and the fact that you continue to say that kind of irritates me.

At this point I would be willing to consider it, just to see where it takes the discussion. I honestly just see it as sort of a "voting block". I can see how people would be blatantly against it, I think that's a pretty null tell at this point.

My other concern regarding anyone who would be a part of this insanity is that there couldn't be somebody just riding coat tails. I would expect everyone to give equal input, I could see it be easy for scum to jump on this little wagon and just ride along laughing at our potentially bad decisions.

Unshun

Shun: Charlie

You never came back and gave any insight as to why you didn't like Charlies post. You have asked questions that I feel are non-relevant and/or leading, and I don't like how your posts are 98% questions and 2% input.

[Nobody Special]

Stef: It's not that I think RC is necessarily scum, but he's anti-town enough that he's damaging to the town. As a member of the town, I then suffer along as he destroys us. And I know him pretty well throughout the site; he annoys me as much out of games as he does in games. And it's not like I'm single-handedly going to lynch him; one Shun at this point is hardly deadly.

[tanstalas]

tans, your OMGUS has been noted.

What is your definition of OMGUS? Would like to hear it

Both Zod and I have noted that you aren't responding to him. You say he's your #1 suspect, but you seem content with going UMAD instead of, I don't know, stating actual reasoning. You respond to this with LOL NO. Either you're scum or you're way too immature to be playing this game.

Where have I not responded to him? I have also asked you numerous times where these questions are that you are both referring to and you still have not given me an answer, nor he.

I also find it ironic that you call me immature, when he was the one who started with the CAPS LAWK RAGE stupid comment:

And since when was having a life a scum tell? Having three posts by page 4 is hardly inactivity, and this is far too early in the game to be saying 'LOL HES AN IRONIC BULLSHITTER CAUSE HE SAYS ABOUT POSTING CONTENT WITHOUT POSTING ANY HIMSELF'.

Yet you do not call your

scum

buddy out on being immature.

In short, tanstalas is hopping from target to target with very little reasoning. Each case is extremely contrived. When Zodiark responds to his attack, he dodges the questions. The sensible, pro-town thing would be to create counter-arguments. This is just slander. He's trying to appear like he's scumhunting, but doesn't really care enough to follow through on any of his leads.

LOLWUT?! You have said I have been dodging questions this whole game from Zod, I ask you which questions and you can't answer me, instead you resort to calling me immature. So why do I see you doing both in this post of yours. (Being immature and not answering questions?)

Answer me this:

1. What's the benefit of quashing discussion about an Alliance?
2. Why are you trying to throw a tantrum and such if you don't get your way?
3. Do you realize that if the majority of the Alliance is pro-town, then they are

forcing scum to vote for other scum?

4. Do you realize that by accepting the "protection" of the Alliance, scum are forced to give up many of their rights to push mislynches?
5. Do you have any questions about an Alliance that you haven't asked yet? Cause I am full of answers.

And I see that I forgot to use shun (again?)... -__-

Shun: Umbrage

BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH

It is anti-town to spam your ideas in huge posts several times per page. If a situation arrives where a magical unicorn alliance is useful, we'll form one, 'k?

Also ignoring NS's questions, and only responding when he asks you again.

I'd say that is at least 3 strikes.

Unshun: Zod

- (We'll get back to you later)

Shun: Umbrage

[Umbrage]

@ tans:

1. You only find me scummy when I took Zod's side and started attacking you. That is the very definition of OMGUS. Now you're trying to cover it up by shunning me and pretending like you have an actual case, when everything you have on me hinges on my being scum with Zod. So why vote me over Zod?

2. You've quoted the relevant section of text three times now. Still haven't properly responded to it though. For someone who is SO SURE that Zod is scum, you're not doing much to convince the town. This is because you don't care about Zod being scum, you just want to look like you're scumhunting.

3. I find it quite ironic and funny that Zod's "CAPS LAWK RAGE" was actually him imitating you.

4. I'm not the caps lock police. I shouldn't have to tell you how stupid it is to draw a connecting tell between me and Zod because I, um... didn't get mad at his use of caps.

5. You're hiding behind the "CAPS LAWK RAGE" to excuse why you're not answering Zod.

6. The only tell you've called Zod on so far is that he didn't give his opinions when coming into the game. He's now made opinions. So either find a halfway decent scumtell or stop this noise.

[ReaperCharlie]

I honestly just see it as sort of a "voting block".

At its core, that's really all it is.

The only difference between voting bloc and an Alliance is that Alliance members don't vote for Alliance members unless they've been kicked out of the Alliance, which is pretty arbitrary to begin with because there is really no set "leader". It's just a slightly more formal (yet still horrifically informal) version of bloc-voting.

Seriously, think of the pros vs the cons though: a) we don't require you to pay dues, b) we keep the mafia from bein in ur gamez killin ur d00dz, and c) we don't send junk mail. <-that last one is a biggie. My union requires a) and c), and they don't even offer b). It's frickin bogus.

Seriously seriously though, you say this:

That being said I'm not entirely opposed to the idea. If you have a large enough group to start then you are guaranteed that any scum IN the group would have to end up doing anti-scum things. UNLESS, the person who is "in charge" of the alliance is misguiding everyone. Which means

There ARE no cons to this idea, only PROs. A lot of them.

Is not really true and the fact that you continue to say that kind of irritates me.

But, you fail to realize that there IS nobody in charge.

My other concern regarding anyone who would be a part of this insanity is that there couldn't be somebody just riding coat tails. I would expect everyone to give equal input, I could see it be easy for scum to jump on this little wagon and just ride along laughing at our potentially bad decisions.

This is pro-town and I approve.

And I only referred to HP mafia again because I wanted NS to know for sure that this was NOT that.

And yes, I'd be fine with there being an Alliance in it without me being "in" it.