Open 306: Lovers Mafia: Empking Checkmate (OVER)

[Empking]

/confirm

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Vote: Chkflip

- Because if he dares to be scum without me then I definitely want him lynched.

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And Emp, how come you didn't answer my earlier question?

Didn't see it. (Eager iof you're still interested.)

And what do you think of my vote right now?

I highly doubt you got it right.

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Thank you.

And really? Have you never been in a game where a mod error inadvertantly gave a clue as to who the scum was?

I've never been scum and confirmed in the QT before.

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Unvote

Vote: C-Worl

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Unvote

Vote:m Mist

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He probably cpnfirmed in the scum topic and mod said he didnt need to confirm. It is hoghly likely

The mod said that wasn't the case.

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(Oh yeah. If the Mafia actually is Crazy & Chk (as the vote count makes me wonder) then I'm going to be very sad.)

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Empking, how serious is your vote on Mist? What about your earlier vote on C-Worl?

They have a basis. Let's leave it at that.

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If the Mafia actually is Crazy & Chk (as the vote count makes me wonder)

How does the votecount imply that?

Neither Crazy nor chk have voted so far.

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QUOTED MOD

So EmpKing you suspect chk and Crazy are town because they haven't voted. That makes them look more like scum looking for the right townie to lynch. ( looking for an easy-lynch)

You really don't seem to be payig attention to this game.

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Yeah, I definitely would agree with that, Empking. For you, does Mist not paying attention imply scum, null, or town?

Scum.

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Crazy and Chk look like the mafia which makes me sad.

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Why does that make you said?

Because Crazy and Chk are cool (at least they were before they became Lovers and didn't invit me.)

Saying that:

Unvote

Vote: Chk

- And let's get a wagon going now.

Mist: You'll vote Chk right?

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For no reason HECK no

Chk has only two posts. Willing to vote him now?

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Mist: Why won't you vote?

Announcement: The only two players I will consent to lynch today are Chk or Mist.

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Because he is probably busy with his game. That is no reason to vote him. Give me more reasons why you think he is scum and maybe I might vote him.

He hasn't voted.

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It's been one day and 16 hours; my apologies, I hadn't realized.

VOTE: Mist7676

Empking is "said" (trololol) because he and I went hard on this set-up last time when we were the mafia. For the record, I wasn't the one who floated through that game without saying much.

Yes but that game was before you saw how a pro played the game.

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Mist: Vote Chk or I'm voting you.

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Unvote

Vote: Mist

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Does anybody know how to make a hammer sign?

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Chk, C-Worl: What do you think of lynching Crazy?

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I can't find anything specifically anti-town or scum motivated in his ISO.

Why do you ask?

I ask because it looks like that if Mist is scum he's scum with either Fenchurch or Crazy.

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Crazy - Only No-Mist player I have a scumread on.

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FOS: Crazy

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He's still the player I don't have a town read on and that has avoided voting.

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I'm sorry how do you win Lovers? By lurking. We should lynch the lurkers.

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In lylo, I'd prefer to lynch scum rather than just a lurker. And I can understand Crazy being classified as lurker before those posts, but now I think he's contributed as much as others.

Day One was the only day it counted.

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Well, my "lurking" is hardly related to my alignment. I was sick for two days. On May 9, I didn't post anywhere on site. On May 10, all I posted was an apology post in this game and in my other game.

Does lurking benefit scum? Sure, sometimes. But as you can see from my site posting history, my "lurking" obviously wasn't strategic, so this is a null point. Do you disagree?

Yes. If you're not scum then I'd have found the scum already. Since I haven't found the scum you must have lurked your way here.

Empking, why did you vote C-Worl on Page 1?

"Cuz I can"

Also, how was Mist not paying attention indicative of him being scum?

I don't think IO said it was. I voted Mist because despite my plees Mist refused to help the town.

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Everybody notice that fully coloured in multi-colour column? THAT's how you do it.

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Everybody notice that fully coloured in multi-colour column? THAT's how you do it.

Throwing your vote around with little-to-no explanation or justification, you mean?

Yeah.

It might make sense in the early stages of a larger game, but in a small game with only a two-lynch threshold it seems like it could be a good scum tactic.

Don't be stupid.

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Empking, this is what my question was in reference to:

Yeah, I definitely would agree with that, Empking. For you, does Mist not paying attention imply scum, null, or town?

Scum.

Oh yeah. Town needs to scumhunt, that requires paying attention to the game and people's posts.

Also, who is my partner, if I am scum?

Fenchurch

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Chk: Honestly I'd ber more comfortable with lynching Fenchurch because I think she's pretending to be useful more than Crazy plus she's defending Crazy.

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I don't disagree; however, can't the same thing be said of C-Worl?

C-Worl is a general town read though.

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Chk: Honestly I'd ber more comfortable with lynching Fenchurch because I think she's pretending to be useful more than Crazy plus she's defending Crazy.

Defending Crazy doesn't make me his partner. And I'm not defending him, I'm just pointing out why your attacks seem weak and scummy. So far the whole of your argument is based on Crazy's absence at the end of D1, for which he has given a reason. Meanwhile you've given zero explanation for why your voting pattern (and your throwing around senseless accusations) isn't scummy.

Because its self-evidently not scummy because its the opposite of what scum will do.

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NJo I didn't. I voted Later and Shotty. Two players.

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Emp, what would the difference have been in voting two as opposed to three?

Three limits the possibilities something awful.

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Fenchurch/Chk
Fenchurch/Crazy

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1. I like his reads
2. His play with Mist waas jocular and brave.

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Is everyone happy to vote?

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Vote: Fenchurch

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So (From my POV) Fenchurch is confirmed scum.

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chk: If she wasn't scum then you or Crazy would have hammered.

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Unless Crazy and I are not getting as clear a scum-read as you are and don't want to lose the game.

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Unless Crazy and I are not getting as clear a scum-read as you are and don't want to lose the game.

No actually I should explain that chk's post reveals that he's not put a smidge of scumhunting in this game.

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Crazy: I can't remember. I believe I disliked her lack of scumhunting and her fluff posting.

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Crazy: I can't remember. I believe I disliked her lack of scumhunting and her fluff posting.

Well, that's the thing when you vote with no reason... if you forget what the reason was, then it really does no good.

I assume your voting-with-no-reason thing is what you do as town or scum. But may I ask why you

normally

play that way as town, and has that style of gameplay helped you in this game?

Day one in Lovers will always be a mislynch. We managed to wrest that lynch from scum in order to lynch our weak lynch. That's a good thing. Today me and C-Worl managed to find the scum in double-quick time. That's a good thing. Presuming you're smart then we managed to player perfectly. So it can only have helped me in this game.

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We managed to wrest that lynch from scum in order to lynch our weak lynch. That's a good thing.

This makes so little sense. In what way is pushing for the "weak lynch" good townie behaviour?

Ha ha ha. If we didn't lynch Mist yesterday then it'd (IMO) have been impossible to lynch scum. When Mist was given a choice: Mist or chk for the lynch she chose herself. That tells you everything you need to know.

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So, Empking, you

didn't

think Mist was scum, or am I misinterpreting you?

I thought she was at the time but I'm not surprised that I was wrong.

Can you also please explain why you were so quick to dismiss the possibility of C-Worl being scum based on what Fenchurch said on Page 1?

I have faityh in moderators.

As well, earlier today you said I was scum because if I wasn't, then you would have already figured out who

was

. What made you change from that into pushing a Fenchurch/chk pair?

Your posting.

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C-Worl: If Fenchurch wasn't scum and one of you and me is town then Fenchurch has to be scum due to the lack of hammer on Chk's/Crazy's point.

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Crazy: I have faith in mods. Its just that simple.