Open 306: Lovers Mafia: Empking Checkmate (OVER)

chkflip · Post Post #175 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2011 8:39 am

I've been back and forth on Crazy, yes, but you on the other hand have constantly been in my scum reads.

VOTE: C-Worl

C-Tree · Post Post #176 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2011 2:40 pm

VOTE: Fenchurch

$10 says chkflip ends up being her partner.

C-Worl · Post Post #177 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2011 2:42 pm

C-Tree wrote:VOTE: Fenchurch

$10 says chkflip ends up being her partner.

Sorry wrong account.

VOTE: Fenchurch

Just in case

Crazy · Post Post #178 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2011 4:03 pm

C-Worl, why did you just vote Fenchurch instead of chk?

You can keep your vote on Fenchurch; I just want to know the reason. Normally if someone votes you in LYLO you vote them back.

C-Tree · Post Post #179 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2011 4:12 pm

I think Fenchurch is more likely to be scum.

C-Worl · Post Post #180 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2011 4:13 pm

C-Tree wrote:I think Fenchurch is more likely to be scum.

Crazy · Post Post #181 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2011 4:20 pm

Well, all I'm saying is that from your perspective, if chk was town, then scum would have won anyway, since they could quickhammer, unless if chk unvoted.

Eh, whatever. I'll think about this some more, but I'll probably end up voting Fenchurch.

Fenchurch · Post Post #182 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2011 8:04 pm

Crazy wrote:Well, all I'm saying is that from your perspective, if chk was town, then scum would have won anyway, since they could quickhammer, unless if chk unvoted.

Probably C-Worl isn't worried about a quickhammer since he's scum, and thinks that he'll find it easier to get a lynch on me

But I don't know. I'm here, and I'm not quickhammering. I need to think about this.

Empking · Post Post #183 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2011 8:30 pm

Vote: Fenchurch

Ghostlin · Post Post #184 (ISO) » Mon May 16, 2011 7:16 am

VoteCount 2.1:

Fenchurch (2, L-1): C-Worl, Empking
C-Worl (1, L-2): chkflip

Not Voting (2): Fenchurch, Crazy.

With 5 alive it is 3 to lynch, and 3 to non-lynch.

Time in Game: 11:12 PM

Deadline for Hour 2: Wednesday, June 1st, Noon MST

chkflip · Post Post #185 (ISO) » Mon May 16, 2011 7:20 am

Crazy wrote:C-Worl, why did you just vote Fenchurch instead of chk?

You can keep your vote on Fenchurch; I just want to know the reason. Normally if someone votes you in LYLO you vote them back.

What is this I don't even

UNVOTE: C-Worl
VOTE: Crazy

All town-sense has dissolved with this post. Your buddy C-Worl may have Emp convinced, but you've convinced nobody.

Crazy · Post Post #186 (ISO) » Mon May 16, 2011 8:07 am

I am not scum with C-Worl, since, as you can now see, since I'm not hammering Fenchurch right now. That means I'm either scum with Fenchurch or town.

I'm not really sure what your objection was with my post? Would you mind unvoting for now and clarifying what you mean?

Just to say, your last post gives me REALLY strong town-vibes that makes me sincerely doubt my gut that you and Fenchurch are scum together. Let's not rush this decision; we can talk it out. Can you unvote so you don't give Empking/C-Worl a chance to quickhammer?

Empking · Post Post #187 (ISO) » Mon May 16, 2011 8:24 am

So (From my POV) Fenchurch is confirmed scum.

chkflip · Post Post #188 (ISO) » Mon May 16, 2011 8:35 am

UNVOTE: Crazy

The second sentence sounded more like you supporting an OMGUS vote more than anything and that didn't sit well with me. Still doesn't, but I understand where you're coming from with Emp/C-Worl.

Emp, can you explain confscum? I don't quite see it but its been obvious that I'm slow sometimes. X_X

Empking · Post Post #189 (ISO) » Mon May 16, 2011 8:42 am

chk: If she wasn't scum then you or Crazy would have hammered.

chkflip · Post Post #190 (ISO) » Mon May 16, 2011 8:43 am

Unless Crazy and I are not getting as clear a scum-read as you are and don't want to lose the game.

There's that, too.

Empking · Post Post #191 (ISO) » Mon May 16, 2011 8:46 am

chkflip wrote:Unless Crazy and I are not getting as clear a scum-read as you are and don't want to lose the game.

Empking · Post Post #192 (ISO) » Mon May 16, 2011 8:47 am

Empking wrote:
chkflip wrote:Unless Crazy and I are not getting as clear a scum-read as you are and don't want to lose the game.

No actually I should explain that chk's post reveals that he's not put a smidge of scumhunting in this game.

Fenchurch · Post Post #193 (ISO) » Mon May 16, 2011 9:34 am

Well, chk + Crazy are cleared for me now.

VOTE: Empking

C-Worl · Post Post #194 (ISO) » Mon May 16, 2011 9:43 am

Fenchurch wrote:Well, chk + Crazy are cleared for me now.

Say anything to avoid that hammer scum.

Fenchurch · Post Post #195 (ISO) » Mon May 16, 2011 9:52 am

This isn't my first game where scum have pulled a gambit and it's paid off. In my last game (which Emp was also in), the scum cross-bussed for the whole game, right from the start of Day 1, and as a result, nobody ever seriously considered them being on the same team. Sure, you couldn't get away with that in a Lovers game, so Emp voted C-Worl at the start, at a point where the case on him had already been squashed, and it was enough to keep them out of the pairings and off the radar.

Whereas I've been paired with just about everybody throughout the course of the game, and that's because I haven't been concerned with distancing, or keeping myself out of the crosshairs.

As far as I can tell, at the start of Day 2, Emp and C-Worl figured Crazy was an easy mislynch, since he'd been absent and so hadn't contributed so much. Then I made it clear that I didn't think he was all that scummy, whilst at the same time he named me in a number of his pairings, and they decided I was an easier lynch.

For all Emp accuses other people of not scumhunting, he's done basically no scumhunting or analysis himself, instead just claiming that the things he does are obviously pro-town, and that his chosen targets are obviously scum. Unfortunately, rhetoric can be good for convincing other people, even if it's not backed up by any real evidence.

Crazy, chk, I don't know if you've made your minds up already. But please read back through the game first, and if there's anything you want me to explain, let me know.

C-Worl · Post Post #196 (ISO) » Mon May 16, 2011 10:14 am

Fenchurch wrote:This isn't my first game where scum have pulled a gambit and it's paid off. In my last game (which Emp was also in), the scum cross-bussed for the whole game, right from the start of Day 1, and as a result, nobody ever seriously considered them being on the same team. Sure, you couldn't get away with that in a Lovers game, so Emp voted C-Worl at the start, at a point where the case on him had already been squashed, and it was enough to keep them out of the pairings and off the radar.

I was at L1 for over 7 hours. Do you really think a scum buddy in a Lovers game would risk that for so long. On top of that my role pm tells me I'm town. And since I know that I'm town the only reason a quick hammer hasn't occurred is bc you're scum.

Crazy · Post Post #197 (ISO) » Mon May 16, 2011 10:58 am

7 hours really isn't a long time, and Empking had no posts on site between the time he voted for you and the time he voted for Mist.

Empking, can you clarify the reason you voted Mist on Page 2?

Crazy · Post Post #198 (ISO) » Mon May 16, 2011 11:07 am

chk wrote:The second sentence sounded more like you supporting an OMGUS vote more than anything and that didn't sit well with me. Still doesn't, but I understand where you're coming from with Emp/C-Worl.

Oh, as for that, my point was just that if a townie votes another townie in LYLO, then scum can quickhammer. So if C-Worl was town, he might as well have just voted you, anyway, since from his perspective, if you were town, the game was already lost anyway.

For C-Worl, voting for you would have accomplished the same thing as voting for Fenchurch, with the added minor possibility of a you/Empking pairing. Voting for Fenchurch showed that he wasn't interested in any remote possibility that it was you/Empking. More than likely this was just an oversight on C-Worl's part, though, so I'm not taking it as a serious scum-tell.

I have to re-examine some things. Honestly, your sudden vote shift from C-Worl to me is hard to see coming from scum, since it didn't seem like Empking/C-Worl were going to budge from their Fenchurch lynch. So that's good for you.

Empking/C-Worl, why would chk-scum vote for me?

Fenchurch · Post Post #199 (ISO) » Mon May 16, 2011 11:38 am

C-Worl wrote:
Fenchurch wrote:
C-Worl wrote:Most people a vote with out explanation would be scum but that's Emp's MO so I went back and looked and saw what was probably his reason.

What was the reason that you saw?

I already answered that.

Oh yeah, I looked back at this, and you really didn't answer it. Your answer is "because you entered the game" and that he voted Mist "cuz he can". Neither of those is a good reason.