Farside's approach to NE:
ISO 15 - Asks Ender why he singles out NE for lurking. Null here, could be town wondering about treating players differently, could be scum trying to tie Ender to NE.
ISO 22 - Questions NE about voting based on 'thin reasoning' because lots of other people have been doing it. I find this one scummy. You don't stop scumhunting just because several people are doing the same scummy thing. Also says she doesn't like NE's case; doesn't state whether she thinks this is scummy or not.
ISO 23 - asks NE about his switch to Ender and asks why he is scummier than Oso. Again lacks any strong scum/town lean.
ISO 28 - some ISOs here. It gets a little confusing with the Me=Weird ISO. Farside states she agrees with his points on NE, but then seems to indicate that the main point she agrees with is a stretch, THEN she says she thinks she has found a town-tell on M=W:
Farside wrote:
I like your points on NE especially this:
First, he says he thinks the votes on ender are "ridiculous", but later on(when there's a wagon) he votes ender for including possibilities of javert being town, which as I have said multiple times, even though there are more possibilities of him being town, doesn't mean he is. The one where he's scum could still be more probable.
There is some back and forth between NE and MW that I need to read NE before I decide on a few things here:
And I see that the point is a stretch at best as the only thing NE stated was during the rVS stage here:
here
I found something in MW that I believe means he is town. I'm going to hold this one close to the chest.
Following this there's an admission that she has a 'meh read' on NE. Seems to focus on him providing reasons: good for EA, bad for his other suspects. Again not a lot of follow-through here; from the tone I'd guess that Farside is reading NE on the scummy side, but there's an odd lack of thrust. This is also evident in the M=W questioning above; this may just be because of the way Farside's putting the post together; it looks like she's reading and commenting as she goes, so there's some disconnection in her thinking which doesn't read right.
ISO 48: near deadline, Farside takes a look at the 3 main wagons. I'll quote all of this because it's useful to note how she decided on her vote:
farside22 wrote:I'm reevaluating the main 3 that people are talking about.
Oso - I would not lynch Oso. Although I found EA's point interesting it does not outway the scum hunting, questioning and POV's that oso has displayed today. He's evulated many people in the game and brought up cases that ring town to me.
NE: I don't care much for NE's reason's for finding MW scummy. Their weak tells (on is a stregth at best). He has found TS scummy most of the game and he defended his reasoning for his vote on ender well. However I see no strong scum reads coming from him.
MW - I have many issues with MW recently. He has called Oso town most of the day but when EA brings up a point he states the follow:
Me=Weird wrote:Maxous, can you please consolidate why you think I'm scum into one post. Thanks.
I can see Oso as an alternate lynch, seeing as how EA made a good point about believing the claims and still suspecting them.
He also barely mentions Klaz all day but has no problem jumping on the BW here:
Me=Weird wrote:Hm. I don't entirely approve of the ender kill.
Post #244: Klazam attacked me and prosaurus for "role-fishing". Scum often look for townies doing common "scumtells" that are so widely known, scum don't actually do anymore. And thus useless as scum-tells.
This, combined with not providing much reasoning for his votes, lots of short, content sparse posts and scum vibes, makes me think he's scum. He seems like the most likely of my scumspects to get lynched, and I don't like wasting my vote, so
Unvote, Vote: Klazam
Also he made a case on NE
here but NE never stated it was rediculous and when he had stated something about Ender it was during the RVS discussion.
Finally he is attack on Pro looks scummy as I feel Pro is newb asking question and trying to figure things out but he spins it more into something scummy.
vote: Me=Weird
In short I find MW and NE scummy for different reasons. I find MW's post more scummy as I see him pushing on easy lynches and following BW without much reason.
I detect a difference in tone between the NE and M=W sections of this post. There's a lot more attacking thrust towards M=W's slot. She states some negative points against NE, but they are very much diminished in contrast to M=W's vote on Klazam, and by slotting in her conclusion on NE in with M=W, she makes her points against NE read very much as null while M=W is super-scummy, even though two of the stated problems with NE's play (weak reasoning and lack of strong scumreads) are on a par with most of what she brings up against M=W. This is reminiscent of several of her other posts relating to NE in the game: potentially negative connotations but without the accompanying aggression I'd expect from Farside on a scumread. This also makes Farside's mystery towntell on M=W look very dubious.
ISO 54: Farside votes NE after TS's guilty.
ISO 55: Farside does an about-turn and spots a 'slip' from TS. I can see this going either way. TS's reaction is pretty dubious for someone who definitely has a guilty. The choice of language ('I think') is indicative of caution and I can see why Farside-town, who suspected TS after his D1 claim, would be all over this. On the flip side, the instant vote for NE and then the change in direction once TS says something suspect could definitely be scum who thought they had to bus their partner until they saw a good opportunity to make TS look scummy.
ISO 67: This one is interesting because Farside has suggested TS and NE are scum together and this is a gambit. The timing of this is key - NE is definitely looking like the lynch at this stage, and sure enough, the very next post NE hammers. The reason I find this scummy is that Farside has been very sure of TS-scum since his 'slip', but when the lynch turns back towards NE, she throws out this little bit of doubt and starts sounding a lot more confused than she did. I can empathise with the confusion, but the timing is scummy.
Summary: Farside's attitude to NE seems somewhat non-committal and similarly uncritical to Maxous. The reasons behind the choice of M=W over NE are probably the scummiest point for me; in that post it really feels like she's trumping up the case against M=W to justify the vote, whilst downplaying NE's scumminess to imply that M=W is the obvious choice. I do see the aggressive scumhunting I'd expect from Farside on other slots, and potentially she has just been unfortunate in her reads (e.g. her suspicion of Klazam is entirely justified based on his play, only to be shot down by Juls' mason claim), but the timing of certain posts and the difference in attitude towards NE and other players puts her as a likely NE buddy for me. I still have Maxous ahead, because there's just no evidence of him even considering NE as scum, even in situations where he should be, whereas Farside does make enquiries and probe at NE in a manner that suggests she could be trying to figure out alignment; there's just not quite the follow-through I'd expect, which is what makes me doubt the authenticity.
One thing I really do want to know:
Farside: what was your town-tell on M=W on D1, and what happened to it?
And on that note, I'm going to be V/LA for a week from tomorrow as I'm on holiday, so I won't be online at all during that time. I'll check back in a few hours to see if there are any responses and decide where to put my vote.
