The Mafia with the Hydras - Game Over!

[Shanba]

Yeah, I think CES and I were not a good fit for a hydra partnership, though we got the hang of it in the end. A lot of the things I was instinctively doing, CES was stopping me and asking "why?" and then I'd try and explain and he'd have some good reason why it was a bad idea but then I kinda lost interest anyway.

Towards the end of the game, CES was simply running his posts by me and I'd say "yup looks ok" and then like the last two days he didn't even bother with that any more. I apologise for the lack of activity, it's partly due to playing in a hydra and partly due to the exam period and a new found obsession with LoL.

I remember someone else stating that they were having activity problems because they couldn't contact their hydra buddy - we were actually having the same thing. It basically became us talking to each other once a day and creating a post out of that conversation. You might note that after I lost interest, CES' postin actually

increased

in rate. It seems that the need to communicate in a hydra hugely counteracts the benefit of having an extra head in terms of keeping up activity (subnote: anyone remember that scumchat game with the five headed skype hydra?)

So yeah, scum win thanks ces!

(Also FD's gambit was awful)

[Shanba]

(that said I think the natural instinct to say - OH HES SCUM BACKTRACKING is a trap. This kind of play comes so often from town and not from scum who tend to be more careful with their lives that I think it was worth pausing and reassessing before the whole LYNCHLYNCHLYNCH thing. But I can tell you the gambit was awful because I was scum and it made me happy.)

[Fate]

Ok ok anyone else left that needs to get "LOL LOOK HE CCD TOWN IT WAS AWFUL" out of their system?

Its obvious, its old, its easy to look in hindsight.

I'm not one to just rollover and get lynched.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The thing I'm having trouble with in this read is seeing a town-CES taking a backseat to Shanba in their hydra.

This was a hilarious misread by the bye.

[GreyICE]

It's just that I think you could have gotten out of the lynch in many other ways.

I dunno why you didn't claim that your gambit was to claim a strong townread to my strong copper scumread and see which one of us got night killed.

[Lord Gurgi]

Fate: Take it as a sign that everyone, including the people who benefited from your action, is annoyed or angry at you for doing what you did. It was bad play. Accept it.

[YosFlavouredCayke]

Ok. First of all, Fate, I can't believe you thought it was actually a good idea to fakeclaim cop because someone correctly claimed to be a rolecop with a vanilla result on you. I've come to the conclusion that you'd rather do some stupid gambit and lose then claim vanilla and win; this is the second game I played with you, both times you did a foolish and poorly thought out fakeclaim, and both times it went horribly wrong and could easily have cost the town the game. The only thing that stopped the town from losing was because your counterclaim was so weak. If you had convinced the town that you were telling the truth, they would have lynched Balam and then lynched you the next day, and that would have been the game.

Gah. MOS, I really thought you were town earlier, I acutally had you on my confimed town list, but then when you came out of nowhere and quickvoted me in lynch or lose for reasons that made zero sense, I decided you had to be scum. Why would you do that? You went from treating me as town to suddenly being willing to bet the whole game on me being scum, for zero reason, in a way that made no sense. The "He can't be a jailkeeper, Balam must be lying, so let's lynch Yos" argument was horrible; if the onyl way I could be scum is if Balam was lying, then lynching me instead of lynching Balam made zero sense. The only conclusion I could come to was that you were scum and were trying to get steal a sudden win.

I also dont' get Incog's behavior at all. Why did you suddenly stop calling me town and start attacking me? I was sure you could read me better then that as town. Did you really think that I would have killed Ether night zero?

Fate and DaSpot spending the whole bloody game tunneling on me for no reason, just SHOUTING AT ME IN ALL CAPS all bloody game, seriously made it hard for me to think screwed up my scumdar. Day 2, I came to the conclusion Fate might be town and dropped the wagon, but then he just kept acting scummy; day 3, when I decided my other suspect, Spot, was probably town, I went back to Fate basically because I didn't have any other ideas about what to do. It was more a test balloon then anything else that point, but he responded with such a scummy looking OMGUS, I assumed I had hit scum. I actually wasn't tunneling on you, Fate; I dropped the attacks against you for basically a full day. It didn't help that I never actually was able to find out the alignment of any of my suspects basically all game.

(sigh) My play was not good this game. Almost all my reads were terrible. When I was attacking Beaver day 2, Spot defended him, I got into an argument with Spot, and we ended up forgetting about Beaver and voting each other. That was not good play, I shouldn't let myself get emotional like that, and I shouldn't have attacked Spot for defending Beaver until after I lynched Beaver.

By the way, for people wondering why I didn't protect Spot the night he died; I thought the town was screwed and I had to go for a longshot, so I was hoping that I would roleblock scum and that if I was really lucky Spot would track me the same night. That would confirm me, confrim Spot, and confirm a scum, for the entire town, and might have turned a lost game into a won game. It wasn't good odds, but it was the best plan I could come up with. Also, I was pretty sure if I had jailkept Spot, and thus roleblocked him, everyone would have just assumed I was the scum roleblocker and lynched me for it, and it would have sill been lynch or lose.

[Ether]

You might note that after I lost interest, CES' postin actually increased in rate. It seems that the need to communicate in a hydra hugely counteracts the benefit of having an extra head in terms of keeping up activity

This was my experience, and it was really frustrating to watch so many other players limp around insisting that they had to coordinate. I think you evolved out of that on later days, so good job.

Patrick and I had a strange dynamic: I made almost all of the posts, but he had to nag me to read the game in the first place. It seemed to work out, though it's not something I have any desire to repeat.

[Fate]

Grey I'm done responding to you until you pull your head out of your ass, apologize, and realize that "Oh look Grey died instead of us, ergo Copper is scum" Rest of town: "OK FAYTE, VOTE: COPPER" would not have happened. Yes we could've gotten out of the lynch maybe, but gotten out of it AND lynched our strongest scumread at the time? (Yos?) Not without that gambit.

Our Yos scumread turned out to be wrong, just as his scumread on US turned out to be wrong. The way we dealt with our scumread on him was unconventional and yes, "bad" in hindsight. But it DID get Copper to scumslip and lead to his lynch at least, which is what Grey wanted all along so *SHRUG*.

Everyone's acting like it lost town the game, like we did it at LyLo or something and forced a 1v1 where it would've lost. "BUT FATE IF YOU HAD LYNCHED BALAM YOU WOULDA LOST THENEXT DAY"

Meh, not if town slowed down and thought about things first. I mean I know Yos could've quickvoted us, butif Balam flipped town Role Cop I'd consider Yos town, which would make me re-evaluate everything and have better reads. From there it would've just been explaining our gambit and lynching scum.

Instead we were lynched first, Balam was cleared as a role cop, Copper was outed, and town COULD"VE still won. Yos quickvoted at LyLo though, and THAT cost the town the game LITERALLY. Sure a lot of things lead up to it including our mislynch, but VOTING TOWN AT LYLO is the coup de grace. Specially when UB should've been the strongest town read in the game due to circumstantial evidence, AND PC should've been re-evaluated (from Yos' view) when it turned out OH YEAH FD WASNT scum with him.

[YosFlavouredCayke]

GreyMarble easily wins town MVP, in our view. We find it funny that, after all of Yossarian's talk of scum simply NK'ing the person with the best reads, we more or less did exactly that (though town reads were our target, more than scum) and he didn't seem to read Greymarble's posts post mortem.

I did, actually. That was when I decided Spot was town after all, since Grey was defending him so hardcore and then died.

[Fate]

How did my fake clearing of Marble cost us the game Yosarian?

It locked you into a fakeclaim that outed you as scum to the other team which caused them to crosskill you.

AND it got the lynch of Marble who was obvtown.

And then town won.....

So, lol?

[Fate]

Grey was defending ME TOO Yos, and YOU didn't die. Should've been a huge red flag that your "lol I caugh ttwo scumz" reads were horribly off.

[YosFlavouredCayke]

Fate: I actually thought US was probably town. My hydra partner, though, really thought he looked scummy, and I didn't want to undermine her.

[YosFlavouredCayke]

How did my fake clearing of Marble cost us the game Yosarian?

It locked you into a fakeclaim that outed you as scum to the other team which caused them to crosskill you.

AND it got the lynch of Marble who was obvtown.

And then town won.....

So, lol?

Meh. Town won that game only becacaue you got lucky crosskilles. Your fakeclaim in that game allowed me to "confirm" myself as a pro-town power role, and if it hadn't been for the crosskill, neither me nor my partner would have ever been lynched. Whereas, before your fakeclaim, I was in serious trouble; I might have forced through the marble mislynch, but if I did, I was sure to get lynched the next day, and once I was lynched my link to Darla would have been incredibly obvious. Your fakeclaim in that game really saved the scum team from getting caught for several days.

[Fate]

Anyway I find Yos' post-game post one of the more respectable ones of the bunch, so I really don't have a problem with you as a player Yos, just residual feelings after losing.

Hope you understand.

I don't even remember how the US lynch happened, I think Ether pushed it and then people just piled on him in the face of FES scum.

The only thing I don't understand was your FES town read.

I mean if you dropped your scumread of me D2, why not evaluate the FEStown one? For awhile there I thought you were so tunneled on me as scum you just HAD to find FES as town by contrast and went confirmation style through his play to call him town. And then you just kept that read...

[Fate]

Well that's for another thread, but you and Darla ESPECIALLY were far from "unlynchable" seeing as I wanted you dead from the second I replaced in.

[GreyICE]

Grey I'm done responding to you until you pull your head out of your ass, apologize, and realize that "Oh look Grey died instead of us, ergo Copper is scum" Rest of town: "OK FAYTE, VOTE: COPPER" would not have happened. Yes we could've gotten out of the lynch maybe, but gotten out of it AND lynched our strongest scumread at the time? (Yos?) Not without that gambit.

Our Yos scumread turned out to be wrong, just as his scumread on US turned out to be wrong. The way we dealt with our scumread on him was unconventional and yes, "bad" in hindsight. But it DID get Copper to scumslip and lead to his lynch at least, which is what Grey wanted all along so *SHRUG*.

Everyone's acting like it lost town the game, like we did it at LyLo or something and forced a 1v1 where it would've lost. "BUT FATE IF YOU HAD LYNCHED BALAM YOU WOULDA LOST THENEXT DAY"

Meh, not if town slowed down and thought about things first. I mean I know Yos could've quickvoted us, butif Balam flipped town Role Cop I'd consider Yos town, which would make me re-evaluate everything and have better reads. From there it would've just been explaining our gambit and lynching scum.

Instead we were lynched first, Balam was cleared as a role cop, Copper was outed, and town COULD"VE still won. Yos quickvoted at LyLo though, and THAT cost the town the game LITERALLY. Sure a lot of things lead up to it including our mislynch, but VOTING TOWN AT LYLO is the coup de grace. Specially when UB should've been the strongest town read in the game due to circumstantial evidence, AND PC should've been re-evaluated (from Yos' view) when it turned out OH YEAH FD WASNT scum with him.

I said already that outside of your fakeclaim your play was pretty good, and I stand by that. Especially given the quality of participation in this game. I already said I had a nightmarishly strong scumread on Yos' slot, and lynching Yos was fine by me. I didn't have a strong scumread on Balam's slot, but fighting their rolecop clear of Yos was again fine.

You did NOT lose the town the game. That was probably done when we didn't lynch FES day 2, and CERTAINLY done when a bunch of derps decided to lynch you day 3. Sorry for not hammering FES. I really should have. That the wagon on you was not dismissed as horseshit was ridiculous. There was a tons of garbage play lying about (the point where I realized DaSpot probably belonged near the midway point in terms of town play from the deadthread was about where I realized we were all doooooooomed).

But the cop fakeclaim was a terrible fucking idea. I've like... never seen it go well in F11, and more experience doesn't make it go better here. I mean why would TBM even PUT a full cop in a game designed to see how well Hydras can scumhunt? Because follow the cop is so damn amazing?

[Fate]

Wait you had the chance to hammer FES?

What the fuck.... wer eyou even doing D2.. I don't remember

[GreyICE]

He was at L-1 for a while, and I wanted to wait for marble to discuss dropping a damn hammer. Then charlie the unicorn unvoted so he could hammer, then things just went sideways, and we ended up lynching GummyBear.

[Fate]

I mean what were you DOING, pushing Copper, Fonzi?

[GreyICE]

Yes actually, I was pushing Copper, Fonzi, and Balam. From the way the game was flowing, I knew that some of our better players were scum. The game just had too damn little direction for it to be the team of "FES the hydra no one pays attention to, Yos the hydra everything thinks is scum, and BW/SVT the flakomatic."

Since once good players establish a foothold as TOWN you're finished, I wanted them outed day 2. I'm not even sure I'd have gone along with the Gummy wagon too hard, but then GummyBear posted "You can't lynch me, I'm not one of the two big wagons!"

For others reading this, word of advice: Don't post that.

[Ether]

(2:52:44 PM) CaffieneDeity: Okay. We have our role this time.
(2:52:48 PM) CaffieneDeity: And we're vanilla.
(2:52:53 PM) patrickgower2006: could be worse
(2:52:57 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yup!
(2:53:15 PM) CaffieneDeity: We're getting killed Night 1 anyway; might as well not take any power out while we're at it.
(2:53:22 PM) patrickgower2006: quite
(2:53:37 PM) patrickgower2006: I'll check it when I've finished this game
(2:54:31 PM) patrickgower2006: i hope we get lasers and pumpkins mentioned in our pm
(3:02:15 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mrs. Flay is more than two people. None of them are Flay.
(3:02:23 PM) CaffieneDeity: Trying to figure out who the hell everyone is.
(3:03:59 PM) patrickgower2006 has signed off.
(3:04:23 PM) patrickgower2006 has signed on.
(3:06:25 PM) CaffieneDeity: I lied.
(3:06:30 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mrs. Flay is JDodge/Pickem.
(3:06:51 PM) patrickgower2006: what did you tell me before?
(3:07:26 PM) CaffieneDeity: "(3:02:15 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mrs. Flay is more than two people. None of them are Flay.
(3:02:23 PM) CaffieneDeity: Trying to figure out who the hell everyone is."
(3:07:45 PM) patrickgower2006: that message did not come through to me
(3:09:43 PM) patrickgower2006: you confirmed us
(3:09:45 PM) patrickgower2006: ^_^
(3:11:05 PM) patrickgower2006: is there some official list of who every hydra is somewhere?
(3:11:10 PM) CaffieneDeity: Nope.
(3:11:18 PM) patrickgower2006: we should try to find out who
(3:11:24 PM) CaffieneDeity: I am trying to.
(3:11:38 PM) CaffieneDeity: For what it's worth, I did just post what I've gleaned.
(3:11:57 PM) patrickgower2006: thats good
(3:12:01 PM) patrickgower2006: think it can only help the town
(3:12:40 PM) patrickgower2006:

[...]

(3:12:49 PM) CaffieneDeity: Do you want to post that?
(3:12:52 PM) patrickgower2006: could do any amount of stupid thing if town
(3:12:54 PM) patrickgower2006: no way
(3:12:58 PM) CaffieneDeity: Aww.
(3:13:06 PM) patrickgower2006: and not after the game either
(3:13:13 PM) CaffieneDeity: What?!
(3:13:22 PM) CaffieneDeity: You realize I'm going to post these logs, right?
(3:13:25 PM) CaffieneDeity: I hate censoring.
(3:13:30 PM) patrickgower2006: from now if you like
(3:13:34 PM) CaffieneDeity: Hmph.
(3:13:48 PM) patrickgower2006: i will probably end up insulting half the game anyway
(3:13:55 PM) CaffieneDeity: Exactly!
(3:14:03 PM) patrickgower2006: don't know anything about almastergm
(3:14:12 PM) CaffieneDeity: He thinks he's Pikachu.
(3:14:25 PM) patrickgower2006: quatz was really painfully stubborn in a scumchat game I saw, but not seen him on the forums
(3:14:34 PM) patrickgower2006: i like pikachu
(3:16:42 PM) patrickgower2006: what is our password anyway
(3:16:51 PM) CaffieneDeity:

[...]

(3:17:18 PM) patrickgower2006: i like it being 13 players
(3:17:28 PM) patrickgower2006: unless he's put in 3 mafia and an SK, then he sucks
(3:18:16 PM) patrickgower2006: i think the scumteam is shanba, yos2 and danakillsu
(3:18:36 PM) CaffieneDeity: Aww.
(3:18:41 PM) CaffieneDeity: I want Yosarian to be town.
(3:18:52 PM) patrickgower2006: think how accurate we were last time, even pregame
(3:19:06 PM) patrickgower2006: you should probably be the one who tries to read yos
(3:19:19 PM) CaffieneDeity: I just assume he's town.
(3:19:25 PM) patrickgower2006: anyone trying to read me should forget it and just realise you're town instead
(3:19:45 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think the interactions between Yosarian and Cayke could be indicative of something.
(3:19:51 PM) patrickgower2006: why?
(3:19:54 PM) patrickgower2006: in what way
(3:20:23 PM) CaffieneDeity: I just said this, and then I remembered how he handled Elmo.
(3:20:45 PM) patrickgower2006: how do you expect yos2 to interact with cayke?
(3:20:54 PM) CaffieneDeity: Dunno.
(3:20:56 PM) patrickgower2006: YOS2 IS CAKE
(3:22:18 PM) CaffieneDeity: "(3:21:21 PM) CaffieneDeity: Can I tell them that you've confirmed to me that Mrs. Flay is JDodge/Pickem?
(3:21:29 PM) tehbuttonmen: I'd rather you didn
(3:21:30 PM) tehbuttonmen: t" First discussion of the game is how we're scum with JDodge.
(3:22:22 PM) CaffieneDeity: Just a heads up.
(3:22:58 PM) patrickgower2006: didn't jdodhe /in in some signup thread
(3:23:21 PM) patrickgower2006: i don't think that discussion is so likely
(3:24:01 PM) patrickgower2006: plus, only scum are allowed to attack you in this game
(3:55:07 PM) patrickgower2006 has signed off.

(2:22:15 PM) patrickgower2006: you looked at the hydra game today?
(2:22:21 PM) CaffieneDeity: Nope.
(2:22:25 PM) CaffieneDeity: Let's see.
(2:22:36 PM) CaffieneDeity: Can we lynch BeaverWeasel yet?
(2:22:50 PM) patrickgower2006: there isn't muich going on, but we got two votes
(2:22:56 PM) patrickgower2006: at least one looks serious
(2:23:23 PM) CaffieneDeity: Of cooooooourse it is.
(2:24:03 PM) patrickgower2006: i don't think its a scumtell to hide identity
(2:24:09 PM) patrickgower2006: I think its a bad idea though
(2:24:55 PM) CaffieneDeity: "The pathetric hydra started with alt-speculation, in which they called themselves a newb. I know this not to be true." I bet it's Lamont_Cranston.
(2:25:05 PM) patrickgower2006: really? blegh
(2:25:17 PM) patrickgower2006: actually, that seemed slightly weird to me
(2:25:50 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think it's extremely weird. Less in a scummy way, more in an "I'm an idiot! You don't need to take me seriously!" way.
(2:26:19 PM) CaffieneDeity: (When BeaverWeasel reads this transcript after the game: hi, BeaverWeasel!)
(2:26:23 PM) patrickgower2006: so it was a joke? I thought it could be
(2:26:37 PM) patrickgower2006: then the post 33 reference
(2:26:46 PM) patrickgower2006: seemed like it could be serious too
(2:26:51 PM) patrickgower2006: I took it as serious, anyway
(2:27:07 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think they're fo' real.
(2:27:32 PM) CaffieneDeity: Ahahahahaha I love Fez.
(2:27:37 PM) CaffieneDeity: Fez's post is great.
(2:27:43 PM) patrickgower2006: i got the impression the voter just voted us for your liost early on. The second poster seemed to try and come up with a strange justification for partners vote
(2:28:16 PM) patrickgower2006: whos fez?
(2:28:29 PM) CaffieneDeity: Er, Frogito Ergo Sum.
(2:28:31 PM) patrickgower2006: oh
(2:28:34 PM) patrickgower2006: yeah
(2:28:38 PM) CaffieneDeity: I've decided we shall abbreviate them as a type of hat.
(2:28:48 PM) CaffieneDeity: "He's also indicated that Balam and BeaverWeasel are anonymous. Therefore we should lynch them." I think it's this they're scrambling over.
(2:28:58 PM) patrickgower2006: pretty much
(2:29:14 PM) CaffieneDeity: At the same time, I think getting into a spat here would be boring.
(2:29:32 PM) patrickgower2006: rebel against the evil plot to out us all and lynch all objectors!
(2:30:15 PM) patrickgower2006: poster who came up with shit reasons is male, voter is female
(2:30:18 PM) CaffieneDeity: Posted! ^_^
(2:30:27 PM) CaffieneDeity: Could be.
(2:30:34 PM) CaffieneDeity: I did notice the "lovely" adjective.
(2:30:43 PM) patrickgower2006: more likely male refer to female
(2:30:47 PM) CaffieneDeity: Right.
(2:30:47 PM) patrickgower2006: but i guess doesn't havce to be
(2:30:59 PM) CaffieneDeity: Haylen/Jordan? Note to self: check if spellings are British.
(2:31:02 PM) patrickgower2006: ugh
(2:31:11 PM) patrickgower2006: everyone in that hydra hates meta
(2:31:25 PM) CaffieneDeity: I actually know nothing about how those two play.
(2:31:39 PM) patrickgower2006: do you think fez is town?
(2:31:43 PM) CaffieneDeity: Nope.
(2:31:50 PM) CaffieneDeity: Well, statistically I guess it is likely.
(2:31:53 PM) patrickgower2006: lol
(2:32:12 PM) patrickgower2006: i think he's wrong
(2:32:17 PM) CaffieneDeity: I do, too.
(2:32:17 PM) patrickgower2006: mastin would have posted an essay by now
(2:32:21 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think he's just baiting them.
(2:32:28 PM) CaffieneDeity: I also think he's hilarious.
(2:33:02 PM) patrickgower2006: i will actually be referring ton your list all game
(2:33:11 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yeah, I know. x_x
(2:33:35 PM) patrickgower2006: your attempt to make people think we're just some newb failed
(2:33:38 PM) CaffieneDeity: That's something I kind of hate about hydras. Everyone scrambles to make really long names for themselves.
(2:33:42 PM) patrickgower2006: because our sig outed us
(2:33:52 PM) patrickgower2006: like, flask of pestilence
(2:33:54 PM) CaffieneDeity: Who the hell is Ether?
(2:34:01 PM) patrickgower2006: some newb, I guess
(2:34:09 PM) CaffieneDeity: That's what I thought!
(2:34:32 PM) patrickgower2006: balam is a dull name
(2:34:47 PM) patrickgower2006: unicorn brethren is about 6000 people
(2:34:52 PM) CaffieneDeity: Balam is the only duo that took an easily typable name.
(2:35:06 PM) CaffieneDeity: "(2:34:47 PM) patrickgower2006: unicorn brethren is about 6000 unicorns" Fixed.
(2:35:20 PM) patrickgower2006: internet stranger is going to be interesting
(2:35:54 PM) CaffieneDeity: TBM seems pretty convinced that this is for real, but I think it'd be funny to keep calling them Tripod.
(2:36:07 PM) patrickgower2006: for real?
(2:36:09 PM) CaffieneDeity: Then we don't have to be scared of them. ^_^
(2:36:13 PM) patrickgower2006: as in, internet strangwer too
(2:36:56 PM) CaffieneDeity: We have got to get a better name for YosFlavoredCayke.
(2:37:15 PM) CaffieneDeity: I'm going to call them PenisTwinkie until further notice.
(2:37:17 PM) patrickgower2006: caykarian
(2:37:23 PM) CaffieneDeity: That is also acceptable.
(2:37:50 PM) patrickgower2006: i should check the last game at some point
(2:37:58 PM) CaffieneDeity: Last game?
(2:38:06 PM) patrickgower2006: the anon guys are probably the exact same people lol
(2:38:22 PM) patrickgower2006: eh, was it bv who ran it?
(2:38:28 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yes.
(2:38:50 PM) CaffieneDeity: Neither were in it.
(2:39:09 PM) patrickgower2006: well, they'd change if they wanted anonymity
(2:39:16 PM) patrickgower2006: since names were given out postgame
(2:39:25 PM) CaffieneDeity: Ah.
(2:39:46 PM) patrickgower2006: its not PJ
(2:39:51 PM) patrickgower2006: pj is not in this game
(2:42:01 PM) CaffieneDeity: Apparently bv paired hydras up randomly? That sounds dumb.
(2:42:22 PM) patrickgower2006: so everyone just /inned and got randomly pwned off with someone?
(2:42:30 PM) CaffieneDeity: Sounds like it.
(2:42:38 PM) CaffieneDeity: Tons of replacements. That seems weird for a hydra game.
(2:42:43 PM) patrickgower2006: seems doubtful
(2:43:48 PM) CaffieneDeity: So we're going to refer to BeaverWeasel as Mastin for the rest of the game, right?
(2:43:51 PM) CaffieneDeity: Please say we are.
(2:43:55 PM) patrickgower2006: lol
(2:44:05 PM) patrickgower2006: annoy them into claiming
(3:46:08 PM) patrickgower2006 has signed off.

(12:25:52 PM) CaffieneDeity: Can we vote Reckamonic?
(12:25:52 PM) patrickgower2006: Sophie!
(12:25:56 PM) patrickgower2006: you are prodded in my game
(12:26:01 PM) CaffieneDeity: Ah, yes.
(12:26:12 PM) patrickgower2006: whats the deal with reckamonic
(12:26:32 PM) CaffieneDeity: "Let's policy lynch the dude with six heads!"
(12:26:46 PM) patrickgower2006: seem obv joke, no?
(12:26:49 PM) CaffieneDeity: No.
(12:27:01 PM) CaffieneDeity: Well, maybe.
(12:27:25 PM) patrickgower2006: do you think he thinks he can get us to seriously policy lynch them?
(12:27:31 PM) CaffieneDeity: No.
(12:27:40 PM) CaffieneDeity: But I think he is genuinely bitter.
(12:27:44 PM) patrickgower2006: I'd rather policy lynch everyone who doesn't like metagaming
(12:28:04 PM) CaffieneDeity: Sure. And that's fine, because not liking metagaming is antitown.
(12:28:10 PM) patrickgower2006: lol
(12:28:23 PM) patrickgower2006: policy lynching is also anti town
(12:28:29 PM) CaffieneDeity: Aww.
(12:29:04 PM) patrickgower2006: by all means post your suspicions even if I don't see them. I don't have any
(12:29:19 PM) CaffieneDeity: Wimp.
(12:29:47 PM) patrickgower2006: no, my skill at making huge deal out of nothing is worn down through years of playing
(12:30:09 PM) CaffieneDeity: "(12:29:47 PM) patrickgower2006: no, my skill is worn down through years of playing" ._.
(12:30:20 PM) patrickgower2006: nice misrep
(12:30:30 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think it's accurate.
(12:30:33 PM) patrickgower2006: thats also true though
(12:30:39 PM) CaffieneDeity: Aww.
(12:43:05 PM) patrickgower2006 has gone away.
(1:17:36 PM) patrickgower2006 has signed off.
(2:47:38 PM) patrickgower2006 has signed on.
(2:52:00 PM) patrickgower2006: sophie!
(2:52:07 PM) patrickgower2006: you are mafia noobscum ._.
(2:52:19 PM) CaffieneDeity: When did this happen? .-.
(2:52:36 PM) CaffieneDeity: Excellent spelling work there, though.
(2:52:38 PM) patrickgower2006: tbm made me aware of the mistake
(2:52:51 PM) CaffieneDeity: Why are you telling me?
(2:53:00 PM) CaffieneDeity: We could have this dynamic like Flask did.
(2:53:04 PM) patrickgower2006: lol
(2:53:11 PM) patrickgower2006: that was a good dynamic
(2:53:40 PM) CaffieneDeity: Well, at least we can bus Mastin.
(2:53:45 PM) patrickgower2006: mastin

[...]

(7:07:11 PM) patrickgower2006: danaspots fosing of unicorn is funny
(7:07:25 PM) CaffieneDeity: Haven't checked.
(7:07:25 PM) patrickgower2006: is dana the aggressive one?
(7:07:41 PM) CaffieneDeity: No clue.
(7:51:43 PM) patrickgower2006 has gone away.

(12:53:11 PM) patrickgower2006: once it hits, we can get to hydra game, which is at least getting some content
(12:53:21 PM) CaffieneDeity: Heh.
(12:56:42 PM) patrickgower2006: dana wagon seems kinda legit I guess
(12:56:54 PM) patrickgower2006: fate hydra also gives me scumvibes, for some reason
(12:57:29 PM) CaffieneDeity: I haven't checked recently.
(12:57:35 PM) patrickgower2006: I'm aware
(12:57:39 PM) CaffieneDeity: I dunno if that's synchronization or I still won't care.
(12:58:01 PM) patrickgower2006: this is completely wrong. You're supposed to be the one nagging your partner
(12:58:14 PM) CaffieneDeity: I know!
(12:58:26 PM) CaffieneDeity: It's an outrage.
(12:58:38 PM) patrickgower2006: I don't want to play this game in a way that feels like I'm the mod of oldy mafia constantly nagging you
(12:58:42 PM) patrickgower2006: this is supposed to be awesome
(12:59:03 PM) CaffieneDeity: Heh.
(1:01:37 PM) patrickgower2006: i'll nag you again after 10 pm my time, I guess
(1:01:43 PM) CaffieneDeity: Heh.

[slacking, Fogeys, Ether being synchronized. tl;dr the dynamic of this hydra is that Ether makes all the posts but Patrick has to nag her to read the game.]

(5:03:58 PM) CaffieneDeity: "Have a little trouble with internal consistency on page 3, are we? FoS: Unicorn Brethren" Uh.
(5:04:24 PM) patrickgower2006: yeah
(5:04:31 PM) CaffieneDeity: I guess UA is in the Flaygang after all.
(5:04:50 PM) patrickgower2006: not sure thats a scummy attack, because its early
(5:04:56 PM) patrickgower2006: the vote looks kind of bad to me
(5:05:09 PM) patrickgower2006: balam seems kind of pro town to me
(5:05:14 PM) CaffieneDeity: I'm still reading.
(5:05:19 PM) CaffieneDeity: Trying to make sense of shit.
(5:08:12 PM) CaffieneDeity: Game is making eyes glaze over. Do not think I'm allowed to acknowledge that it might be a hydra thing.
(5:08:41 PM) patrickgower2006: what is a hydra thing?
(5:08:51 PM) CaffieneDeity: Eyes glazing over.
(5:09:00 PM) CaffieneDeity: "As for our vote, we're debating between the hydra that won't reveal itself and the six-lolly-head hydra." rrrrrrrrrr.
(5:09:30 PM) CaffieneDeity: "1) Your excuse is fail. There is no way we are going to allow your many heads to change what is a scumtell. If you contradict yourself, you are scummy." rrrrrrrrrr.
(5:09:30 PM) patrickgower2006: fate seems restrained, wanting to discuss with almaster before placing real votes
(5:09:38 PM) CaffieneDeity: Good point!
(5:09:43 PM) CaffieneDeity: Let's make them die.
(5:09:46 PM) CaffieneDeity: (Still on page 3.)
(5:10:15 PM) patrickgower2006: do you think the post where danaspot votes unicorn is scummy or just bad?
(5:10:37 PM) CaffieneDeity: Uh...
(5:10:46 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think it's kind of soon to tell.
(5:10:59 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think voting Fate is probably gonna be a better idea.
(5:11:06 PM) patrickgower2006: I can get behind that
(5:11:44 PM) CaffieneDeity: Like, there's a lot of people discussing policy lynches. (I do find Mastin's reaction to ours very interesting, though.)
(5:11:59 PM) patrickgower2006: I want mastin to reply to my question
(5:12:08 PM) patrickgower2006: preferably whichever head said it in the first place
(5:12:16 PM) CaffieneDeity: You know we'll never know.
(5:12:26 PM) CaffieneDeity: Well, I guess we can call them LovelyMastin and UglyMastin.
(5:12:42 PM) patrickgower2006: there may be more than two mastins
(5:12:43 PM) patrickgower2006: <.<
(5:12:52 PM) CaffieneDeity: My brain hurts. ._.
(5:14:20 PM) patrickgower2006: ._.
(5:17:19 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think danakillsu was in that game I replaced into as EtherDent on page 100ish.
(5:17:25 PM) CaffieneDeity: He was posthumous scum.
(5:17:26 PM) patrickgower2006: as scum
(5:17:29 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mm.
(5:19:11 PM) CaffieneDeity: "Oh, trust me, it was all intentional. I've learned that anything I can make look like bussing OR buddying is good. Often it's the people I don't even mention that are my scumpals.

My specialty as scum really is getting caught immediately and staying alive forever while messing with the town's minds. Read Star Wars Mafia if you want proof."
(5:19:12 PM) patrickgower2006: so am I biased by my gut feeling of his page 3 post or is fate;s 84 scummy too
(5:22:12 PM) patrickgower2006: who posted that
(5:22:45 PM) CaffieneDeity: Oh, that's danakillsu postgame in Flameaxe's gam.
(5:22:53 PM) patrickgower2006: ok
(5:23:08 PM) CaffieneDeity: Probably bad to acknowledge that in-thread.
(5:23:17 PM) patrickgower2006: I find it slightly odd that yosarian isn't voting danaspot at this point, but of course he did this stuff in my game too on day 1
(5:26:21 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think it's a bit interesting that DaSpot's attack on Unicorns was inspired by Unicorns voting them.
(5:27:02 PM) patrickgower2006: isn't that why danaspot is getting killed right now
(5:27:12 PM) CaffieneDeity: Hell if I know.
(5:27:32 PM) CaffieneDeity: I skimmed Page 4, really. I'm filtering everyone now instead.
(5:27:49 PM) patrickgower2006: I think greymarbles stated reasons for voting danaspot are weak, but not exactly fake sounding
(5:28:19 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think I don't remember what everyone's reasons are.
(5:28:54 PM) patrickgower2006: seems he attacked danaspot for the shitty attack on unicorn
(5:29:02 PM) patrickgower2006: which seems a bit banal
(5:29:07 PM) CaffieneDeity: Well, yeah. It was shitty.
(5:29:13 PM) CaffieneDeity: I'm noting that it was also OMGUS.
(5:29:24 PM) CaffieneDeity: At the same time, that might be a town tell.
(5:29:29 PM) patrickgower2006: OMGUS looks like something that would totally fit danaspot
(5:29:31 PM) patrickgower2006: as town
(5:29:36 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mm.
(5:31:01 PM) CaffieneDeity: I'm a bit empathetic toward Fate's plan not to spam. Just remembering the contrast between my play in Cops and Robbers, and my play in SPQR.
(5:31:30 PM) patrickgower2006: I think its a good plan
(5:31:37 PM) CaffieneDeity: Heh.
(5:31:45 PM) patrickgower2006: thats why it raised my eyebrow
(5:31:46 PM) patrickgower2006: lool
(5:33:36 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think we should fight the DaSpot wagon and not question them just because counterculture is fun.
(5:34:03 PM) patrickgower2006: dunno about unquestioningly
(5:34:12 PM) patrickgower2006: fighting it is probsably more useful than being on it right now
(5:34:14 PM) CaffieneDeity: I know, it's kind of a sacrifice.
(5:34:34 PM) CaffieneDeity: Unquestioningly is good because it flares other people up.
(5:34:44 PM) CaffieneDeity: I do have questions I would ask.
(5:35:03 PM) patrickgower2006: you should post it
(5:35:08 PM) patrickgower2006: i think you'll do it better
(5:35:19 PM) patrickgower2006: plus Im lazy
(5:35:27 PM) CaffieneDeity: I'm still working stuff out.
(5:35:31 PM) patrickgower2006: I know
(5:36:38 PM) patrickgower2006: prediction: yosarian is going to vote dana at some point today and never let up until he's lynched
(5:36:49 PM) patrickgower2006: I will find himn scummy but he will not actually be scum
(5:36:50 PM) CaffieneDeity: Heh.
(5:36:59 PM) CaffieneDeity: Cayke won't help.
(5:37:11 PM) patrickgower2006: cayke still sheepish I assume
(5:37:17 PM) CaffieneDeity: So do I.

[...]

(5:39:00 PM) patrickgower2006: a strong stance defending danakillsu
(5:39:09 PM) CaffieneDeity: But he could be town!
(5:39:13 PM) patrickgower2006: he could
(5:39:17 PM) CaffieneDeity: I wonder what the difference is.
(5:39:17 PM) patrickgower2006: odds favour it, even
(5:39:40 PM) patrickgower2006: i'm trying to remember what my random prediction was
(5:43:19 PM) CaffieneDeity: Posted.
(5:43:34 PM) patrickgower2006: wrong account
(5:43:38 PM) CaffieneDeity: Shit.
(5:43:52 PM) patrickgower2006: only the second time
(5:43:56 PM) patrickgower2006: in like 4 posts
(5:43:58 PM) patrickgower2006: lol
(5:44:46 PM) patrickgower2006: i like our avatar
(5:45:38 PM) patrickgower2006: unicorns reply to the mod is silly
(5:45:40 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yeah.
(5:45:43 PM) patrickgower2006: also a protown sign, probably
(5:45:48 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yep.
(5:46:09 PM) CaffieneDeity: I'm gonna say up-front that I will not be posting our logs for ethical reasons. That okay?
(5:46:15 PM) patrickgower2006: yeah
(5:47:25 PM) patrickgower2006: imagine forcing scum to fake shitloads of logs
(5:47:26 PM) patrickgower2006: lol
(5:54:06 PM) CaffieneDeity: "And btw, I ALWAYS post like I have in this game. It's really just a matter of two things.
1. If the other players have experience with me.
2. If no, then whether they find my playstyle scummy.
Those who play with me find that I am very hard to read because I ALWAYS look scummy. Good examples would be Mike's Pizzeria Mafia (Town) and Star Wars Mafia (Scum). Just trust me on this one: I did NOT do anything different/scummier than I normally do. The whole thing started with me making a joke that no one got. There's nothing I can do about that except not make jokes in the future." Dana's QuickTopic. Not that I've read for comparison, but still.
(5:55:13 PM) patrickgower2006: scum often say that, though
(5:55:20 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yeah, I know.
(5:55:22 PM) patrickgower2006: I can quite believe he catches flak as town
(5:55:38 PM) CaffieneDeity: Obviously I don't believe that there's no difference.
(5:57:16 PM) patrickgower2006: sure
(5:57:30 PM) patrickgower2006: I guess it says something about his mindset
(5:57:41 PM) patrickgower2006: i seem to remember he was kind of headstrong and indignant
(5:57:56 PM) patrickgower2006: though on scumchat he was the opposite, if I remember who he is correctly
(5:58:52 PM) CaffieneDeity: Huh. He's been in ScumChat?
(5:59:19 PM) patrickgower2006: gaud was the shortened name, can't remember what the full one was
(5:59:26 PM) CaffieneDeity: Uh.
(5:59:30 PM) patrickgower2006: I have a feeling someone said that was him but could be wrong
(5:59:34 PM) CaffieneDeity: Gaudetjaja or something was someone else.
(5:59:38 PM) CaffieneDeity: Sirdanilot.
(5:59:40 PM) patrickgower2006: oh
(5:59:44 PM) patrickgower2006: yeah, he seemed different
(5:59:58 PM) patrickgower2006: he was scum against me in a russian roulette game
(6:00:07 PM) patrickgower2006: we pwned the scum
(6:01:26 PM) CaffieneDeity: "I'm implying that they're being too silly to be worth talking to directly, while at the same time going out of my way to make a post not acknowledging the DaSpot wagon. I'm being very coy today." This a valid answer?
(6:01:42 PM) patrickgower2006: whos that?
(6:01:45 PM) CaffieneDeity: Me.
(6:02:08 PM) CaffieneDeity: Unicorns wants to know why I was talking to them and not Reckmon and that other dude.
(6:02:14 PM) CaffieneDeity: Uh.
(6:02:15 PM) CaffieneDeity: Fate.
(6:02:17 PM) CaffieneDeity: That one.
(6:02:42 PM) patrickgower2006: ok
(6:03:34 PM) patrickgower2006: if Incognito was here he'd be calling unicorn practically confirmed town
(6:03:37 PM) patrickgower2006: money in the bank
(6:03:44 PM) CaffieneDeity: Pfft.
(6:03:46 PM) CaffieneDeity: Incognito.
(6:04:13 PM) patrickgower2006: he totally would be
(6:04:44 PM) patrickgower2006: you posted in the right account
(6:04:48 PM) patrickgower2006: stellar job
(6:12:30 PM) patrickgower2006: you reckon reckoner is scummy?
(6:12:44 PM) CaffieneDeity: Sure.
(6:13:02 PM) patrickgower2006: tone, or what?
(6:13:51 PM) CaffieneDeity: No, just the simple fact that they think a dude with six heads is a helpful policy lynch. Gotta be logical and shit.
(6:14:14 PM) patrickgower2006: is it a serious policy lynch?
(6:14:26 PM) CaffieneDeity: I dunno if anyone's serious.
(6:14:37 PM) CaffieneDeity: Well, except the DaSpot stuff. I should look into that more closely.
(6:15:14 PM) CaffieneDeity: If you really want fellatio, we can vote Unicorns briefly. I'm not interested but I might be biased.
(6:15:27 PM) patrickgower2006: I don't, I think unicorns is town
(6:15:32 PM) CaffieneDeity: Good!
(6:15:44 PM) patrickgower2006: I'm not suggesting recks policy lynch is correct, I just don't see the suspicion
(6:15:56 PM) CaffieneDeity: Eh.
(6:16:10 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think it's weird that it'd concern him at all.
(6:16:29 PM) CaffieneDeity: I mean, you are right, he is probably sarcastic.
(6:16:49 PM) patrickgower2006: if it turns out to be dead serious than I agree its worth a closer look

[...]

(7:50:06 PM) patrickgower2006: what was the significance of unicorn quoting those two things together?
(7:50:11 PM) CaffieneDeity: I guess at some point I'll need to brace myself for Day 7.
(7:50:41 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think he's skeptical that I said I was being coy and then came right out and said what I was thinking?
(7:50:57 PM) patrickgower2006: weird
(7:51:31 PM) CaffieneDeity: Aww, we're not a townsperson anymore.
(7:51:45 PM) patrickgower2006: ._.

3:29 PM patrickgower2006: back
me: Welcome back.
What do you think of Hydras?
3:30 PM patrickgower2006: I looked at it briefly at work and was pleased to see you rampaging around
I haven't read why you voted bear, but then you voted fate so yeah
3:31 PM just the vote in almasters post makes me like being on him
i should read the content though
me: Heh.
TBM has changed his mind and decided we can post transcripts now.
3:32 PM We should probably protest this.
patrickgower2006: i don't massively want to sidetrack the game
pm if you like?
3:33 PM me: Meh.
I think I have TBM's AIM screen name misspelled on my buddy list; he's never on.
3:34 PM And I can't contact new people on gmail's account. You can ask him to contact me.
patrickgower2006: Brenden Bedard
i'll look into it
me: That is his real name. His screen name is tehbuttonmen or thebuttonman or I dunno.
patrickgower2006: I do not understand fes's post 129
me: Can never remember if it's the or teh, or if it's man or men.
3:35 PM patrickgower2006: is he attacking you?
me: I dunno.
3:36 PM I'm not sure if I even care. He'll have to attack louder than that to impress me.
patrickgower2006: it might be relevant to reading them
3:38 PM so gummybear is scum?
3:39 PM also, i can see the pic in unicorns post where he gave two of your quotes together
i couldn't last night
now it makes sense
me: I don't even remember it.
3:41 PM Oh. That.
3:45 PM patrickgower2006: not really sold on gummybear, except i thought they were about to give their reads
greymarble is town
i want to see what cesshanba do
3:46 PM me: Yeah I dunno what the fuck GummyBear was thinking.
3:48 PM patrickgower2006: 129 reads weirdly to me whenever i look at it
me: You can ask.
3:49 PM I'm all for getting some elaboration there.
patrickgower2006: i half want to and half want to see what they do next
3:50 PM i don't think as scum they would vote you at this point
me: ...what about as town? o_O
patrickgower2006: town would have to be showing some pretty terrible judgement
me: I'd be extremely surprised if they voted me.
3:51 PM patrickgower2006: did you vote fate because of what grey posted?
me: Yes.
And because I knew you'd like it!
patrickgower2006: obv
3:52 PM me: And because I didn't really want to deflect the wagon, and my disapproval for GummyBear was clear by then.
patrickgower2006: it kind of sucks if fate is town because I think it would be nice not to have to deal with spam throughout
me: Heh.
You're already dealing with me, man.
patrickgower2006: as in, if they're town they're being discouraged from a good idea
3:53 PM your spam is different to that shit
look at the shit agm just posted
me: He's just trying to scare us!
patrickgower2006: the post didn't do much for me
11 minutes

[...]

4:11 PM So is this hydra basically gonna be me with a phone a friend option?
patrickgower2006: dunno
me: I mean, don't get me wrong, I can do that.
patrickgower2006: it seems to be working so far
4:12 PM i can put you right on things like voting fate instead of gummybear or reckoner
me: Gummybear's still scum, man.
We'll see if hydra technology can unsynchronize me in a way that mere rantbuddy technology cannot.
This game shall be a game of SCIENCE.
patrickgower2006: SCIENCE
4:13 PM why is bear scum
me: 'Cause they're totally reactive and have no interest in scumhunting.
4:14 PM Also the contradiction I posted, but really that's just another layer to that first one.
patrickgower2006: ok
we can get them tomorrow
me: I'm fine with that.
patrickgower2006: after that we will lynch the third
some lurkerscum
me: Did that answer really reassure you? What were you expecting me to say?
4:15 PM patrickgower2006: dunno
when i read it I didn't see the contradiction as large
and I could imagine some hydras wanting to converge
quadz is stubborn
me: Obviously I don't do lynch all liars except as a role thing.
4:16 PM But I think what I posted gets into some psychological shit.
patrickgower2006: maybe
me: Mastin could still be scum.
patrickgower2006: need more user input
me: It would be easier if we knew who he was.
Right.
4:17 PM patrickgower2006: or they become the third
me: Right.

[...]

4:20 PM So many "okay we need to catch up" posts in Hydras.
It's. page. 6.
4:21 PM patrickgower2006: in fairness, I had to bug the shit out of you, and it was shorter
me: So I read the game and posted.
patrickgower2006: and hopefully they will too
me: I didn't bother with that "checking in. will catch up later" bullshit.
4:22 PM patrickgower2006: that bullshit is excellent
me: Ugh.

[...]

4:26 PM patrickgower2006: its decent
4:29 PM anyway, I gtg
can't quite believe there's support for the idea of allowing people to quote their hydra talk
4:30 PM me: I think the QuickTopic kids just don't communicate proper-like.
patrickgower2006: i guess
see you later

(11:47:51 AM) CaffieneDeity: Note to self: 5 votes is not -1.
(11:48:56 AM) patrickgower2006: true story
(11:49:07 AM) patrickgower2006: let us kill whoever claimed it did
(11:49:16 AM) CaffieneDeity: Fez?
(11:49:19 AM) CaffieneDeity: No.
(11:49:28 AM) patrickgower2006: if it was fez
(11:49:41 AM) patrickgower2006: fez must die for his crimes
(11:49:45 AM) patrickgower2006: whether you love them or not
(11:51:51 AM) patrickgower2006: Looks to me like Fritz + Co is currently dropping dynamite into the pond and hoping scum float to the surface, and that's fine with me.

(11:51:55 AM) patrickgower2006: this is a good phrase
(11:51:59 AM) CaffieneDeity: Heh.
(11:51:59 AM) patrickgower2006: *notes*
(11:57:42 AM) CaffieneDeity: Yosarian has a weird sucking up to me vibe. Therefore he's probably town trying to confuse people into voting him.
(11:57:55 AM) patrickgower2006: yeah, I'm reading it
(11:58:28 AM) CaffieneDeity: I'm kind of reading something else instead.
(11:59:35 AM) patrickgower2006: the whole gummy bear is an easy mislynch thing is very, very odd
(11:59:44 AM) CaffieneDeity: Yes.
(11:59:46 AM) CaffieneDeity: Yes it is.
(11:59:48 AM) patrickgower2006: how would anyone have a town read on them at this point?
(11:59:57 AM) CaffieneDeity: Apparently Fate does too?
(12:00:01 PM) CaffieneDeity: I really don't get it at all.
(12:00:09 PM) patrickgower2006: I can see not agreeing with the case, but actually having a town read on him
(12:00:27 PM) patrickgower2006: yes, the fact greymarble repeated the exact same thing was what drew my attention to it
(12:01:56 PM) CaffieneDeity: This does mean that we don't get to take GreyMarble's reads seriously in the futur.
(12:01:59 PM) CaffieneDeity: Ah, well.
(12:02:11 PM) patrickgower2006: and for a second I was
(12:02:26 PM) CaffieneDeity: ._.
(12:18:17 PM) patrickgower2006 has gone away.

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(4:32:40 PM) patrickgower2006: what is reck doing lol
(4:32:57 PM) CaffieneDeity: Urgh.
(4:33:29 PM) patrickgower2006: interesting, tripod voted frog
(4:33:36 PM) CaffieneDeity: I knew you'd like that.
(4:33:48 PM) patrickgower2006: such initiative
(4:33:50 PM) patrickgower2006: =P
(4:34:03 PM) CaffieneDeity: I remembered Day 2 of Fogeys, when I tried to meta Tripod.
(4:34:07 PM) CaffieneDeity: Daaaaaaaamn.
(4:34:16 PM) patrickgower2006: i thought he'd just go for something boring
(4:34:41 PM) patrickgower2006: I think danaspot is a boring but acceptable vote
(4:35:20 PM) CaffieneDeity: Eh.
(4:35:37 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think the daytalking speculation makes them a writeoff for Day 1.
(4:35:45 PM) patrickgower2006: eeeh
(4:35:56 PM) patrickgower2006: is he that bad a player for it to work?
(4:36:12 PM) CaffieneDeity: What's so bad about it?
(4:36:28 PM) patrickgower2006: I mean, is he a weak enough player that you'd assume it can't be faked
(4:36:28 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think it's weirdass speculation that scum is less likely to do.
(4:37:11 PM) CaffieneDeity: You realize I'd react the same way to a player I didn't think was bad, right?
(4:37:29 PM) patrickgower2006: if I posted that in a game, you'd assume I wouldn't fake that as scum?
(4:37:42 PM) CaffieneDeity: Well you're a sociopath.
(4:37:46 PM) CaffieneDeity: You don't count.
(4:37:51 PM) patrickgower2006: well then
(4:38:18 PM) CaffieneDeity: Besides. GummyBear still hasn't done anything.
(4:38:20 PM) CaffieneDeity: Neither's Mastin.
(4:38:23 PM) CaffieneDeity: Or Reckoner, heh.
(4:38:27 PM) patrickgower2006: alot of people
(4:38:31 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mm.
(4:38:44 PM) patrickgower2006: do you think greymarble is town?
(4:39:04 PM) patrickgower2006: also, balam hasn't posted in what feels like ages
(4:39:06 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yes.
(4:39:08 PM) CaffieneDeity: Oh, yeah.
(4:39:09 PM) patrickgower2006: so like a third of the game
(4:39:12 PM) CaffieneDeity: Totally forgot Balam.
(4:39:14 PM) CaffieneDeity: Okay, Balam's scum.
(4:39:17 PM) patrickgower2006: lol
(4:39:42 PM) CaffieneDeity: No really. Balam's one of those scumbags who makes a nonconfrontational check-in post every now and then.
(4:39:51 PM) CaffieneDeity: Basically Balam is me on an anonymous alt. ._.
(4:39:55 PM) patrickgower2006: so the team is fate, reckoner, balam, bear, flay and mastin
(4:40:00 PM) CaffieneDeity: And probably a dude. I mean, statistics.
(4:40:15 PM) patrickgower2006: so we're in lylo
(4:40:38 PM) CaffieneDeity: No, it's cool.
(4:40:56 PM) CaffieneDeity: We're also scum. You just lied to me about our role to comfort me, remember?
(4:41:08 PM) patrickgower2006: well, it would have been a valid tack
(4:41:33 PM) patrickgower2006: flay is another lurker
(4:41:37 PM) patrickgower2006: it really is like 5 people
(4:42:23 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yeah I don't get NaJDodge.
(4:42:30 PM) patrickgower2006: flay is dodge and pickem?
(4:42:43 PM) patrickgower2006: dodge is probably bitter
(4:42:47 PM) CaffieneDeity: And UA and Flameaxe, it seem.s
(4:43:02 PM) CaffieneDeity: "I think hydras are broken! So I'm going to join a game full of them to prove..." what, exactly?
(4:43:05 PM) patrickgower2006: flameaxe should have made more check in posts by now
(4:43:12 PM) CaffieneDeity: And then proceed to do absolutely nothing.
(4:43:26 PM) CaffieneDeity: Which could say some mindset stuff. Remember Elmo in that mountainous?
(4:43:40 PM) patrickgower2006: did dodge argue that scum are at less of an advantage?
(4:43:46 PM) CaffieneDeity: Uh.
(4:43:51 PM) CaffieneDeity: Dunno.
(4:43:59 PM) patrickgower2006: I don't think he did
(4:44:24 PM) patrickgower2006: though I think the advantage is probably less, outside of a very strategic kind of game
(4:44:46 PM) CaffieneDeity: "(3:07:00 PM) tehbuttonmen: Though JDodge threatened to show the brokeness of Hydras by assembling a team of the best players ever who by their powers combined would unbalance the game
(3:07:16 PM) tehbuttonmen: So Mrs.Flay might be Cpt. Planet
(3:07:25 PM) tehbuttonmen: You have been warned"
(4:44:56 PM) CaffieneDeity: JDodge, Flameaxe, Pickem and UA.
(4:44:57 PM) patrickgower2006: best?
(4:44:59 PM) patrickgower2006: lol
(4:45:02 PM) CaffieneDeity: The best. players. ever.
(4:45:21 PM) CaffieneDeity: (When JDodge, Flameaxe, Pickem and UA are reading this: hi!)
(4:45:43 PM) patrickgower2006: so what is yosarians alignment
(4:45:48 PM) CaffieneDeity: Uh.
(4:45:49 PM) patrickgower2006: you are the expert on him
(4:46:03 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think he's town because he's buddying up to me too blatantly to be scum.
(4:46:11 PM) patrickgower2006: tend to agree
(4:46:12 PM) CaffieneDeity: ...I think.
(4:46:27 PM) patrickgower2006: but don't lose sight of him
(4:46:44 PM) CaffieneDeity: Believe me. I am not.
(4:47:00 PM) patrickgower2006: ho ho ho
(5:22:22 PM) patrickgower2006 has signed off.
(7:10:21 PM) patrickgower2006 has signed on.
(7:13:23 PM) patrickgower2006: why did you post saying final destination is town?
(7:13:23 PM) CaffieneDeity <AUTO-REPLY>: Apparently I'm not here.
(7:41:32 PM) patrickgower2006 has gone away.
(7:49:41 PM) patrickgower2006 is no longer away.
(7:56:29 PM) CaffieneDeity: Indignance stuff in light of Greymayble saying he was making shit up.
(7:56:50 PM) CaffieneDeity: Which, incidentally, betrays a startling lack of theory of mind. Ah, well.
(7:57:23 PM) patrickgower2006: oh, I thought you'd intended to put greymarble instead
(7:57:30 PM) CaffieneDeity: No.
(7:57:38 PM) CaffieneDeity: Greymarble could be scum.
(7:58:09 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think the real key here is to figure out which two of {Balam, Mastin, Flaygang, Reckmon, GummyBear} are town.
(7:58:31 PM) patrickgower2006: seems rather early to just say all the scum are in the lurkers
(7:59:07 PM) CaffieneDeity: I know. That's why I'm not saying it loudly in the thread.
(7:59:21 PM) patrickgower2006: but you do feel all the scum are lurking
(7:59:39 PM) CaffieneDeity: Most likely.
(7:59:55 PM) patrickgower2006: wouldn't overely shock me
(8:00:08 PM) patrickgower2006: frog hasn't especially convinced me of township yet though
(8:00:20 PM) CaffieneDeity: No, same here.
(8:00:27 PM) patrickgower2006: shanba needed to iso you to tell you're obvtown?
(8:00:39 PM) patrickgower2006: will keep an eye
(8:00:48 PM) CaffieneDeity: I didn't even remember that.
(8:00:57 PM) patrickgower2006: post before last
(8:01:31 PM) CaffieneDeity: I mean, I remembered it when you said it.
(8:01:35 PM) CaffieneDeity: And I think it's a valid point.
(8:01:54 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think I'm kind of overdoing the calling myself town routine, though, so I'll put it off.
(8:02:08 PM) patrickgower2006: thats what I was thinking
(8:02:26 PM) CaffieneDeity: Meanwhile, in exchange for your continued nonposting, can I ask you to do a bit of meta homework?
(8:02:39 PM) patrickgower2006: not right now, as I'll be sleeping soon
(8:02:41 PM) patrickgower2006: what is it?
(8:03:19 PM) CaffieneDeity: This is not Reckmon's first game together. We need to see if Reckoner is always this insistent on having dramonic by his side every time he has an opinion.
(8:03:34 PM) patrickgower2006: ok
(8:03:49 PM) patrickgower2006: I'm playing chess tomorrow and going out early for a curry, might fit it in after
(8:03:52 PM) CaffieneDeity: I'd prefer to have it today, since I won't be on much tomorrow.
(8:03:56 PM) CaffieneDeity: Bah.
(8:04:02 PM) CaffieneDeity: Two tests.
(8:04:03 PM) patrickgower2006: sorry, you see what time it is here
(8:04:08 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yeah.
(8:04:13 PM) patrickgower2006: I'm not on much tomorrow
(8:04:26 PM) patrickgower2006: I sincerely doubt its going to hurt to have it friday instead
(8:04:29 PM) patrickgower2006: he won't have posted
(8:04:30 PM) CaffieneDeity: Fine.
(8:04:33 PM) CaffieneDeity: Heh.
(8:04:40 PM) patrickgower2006: I'll try late rthursday too though
(8:04:51 PM) patrickgower2006: probably depending on whether I win or not
(8:05:20 PM) CaffieneDeity: Heh.
(8:12:35 PM) patrickgower2006: it seems a bit unlike reck
(8:12:40 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mm.

patrickgower2006: I read a bit and its annoying how frog seems to be being wagoned for shit reasons
6:57 PM he might still be scum
me: Yeah we're worrying about the lurkers now.
Go meta Reckmon.
patrickgower2006: meh
6:58 PM yosarian simply town then?
seems like it, anyway
me: Sure.
7:00 PM Anyway, I only have like 25 minutes.
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7:03 PM me: "An explanation of our lacking presence: we had decided pre-game to have this hydra be a one head posts style hydra. Our inspiration for this was the high quality of play from copper, a well known hydra. We see now that it is not effective if the designated posting head is not guaranteed to be available at consistent times." Ahahahaha Balam is such a wimp.
patrickgower2006: strange
me: "Ethe likes being affirmed," Implies someone we know.
7:04 PM patrickgower2006: lemme read this stuff
7:05 PM affirmed?
me: He thinks Yosarian is scum taking advantage of me.
patrickgower2006: that much I gathered
7:07 PM eh, this is where it would help to know who balam is
whoever that is is posting very cautiously
me: Yes.
7:08 PM patrickgower2006: so no mention of danaspot at all
hm
7:09 PM me: It's okay. DaSpot is town.
7:10 PM patrickgower2006: I'm referring to balam not mentioning the player he was voting befire
7:11 PM me: Ah. That is true.
7:14 PM patrickgower2006: shanba is strange
me: Mm.
But he was apparently paranoid about me in Boost, too.
I don't really get why, but whatever.
7:15 PM patrickgower2006: I guess I could see town not liking the buddying up to you
balam needs watching though
me: Also, I have just posted something that's less contradiction and more me telling Balam that they're a lazy spineless weakling without coming out and saying it.
patrickgower2006: maybe voting
7:16 PM me: If they ask about it, you can post telling them that I was speaking in Ether.
patrickgower2006: I think at some point you need to realise that alot of hydras will want to confer
shanba referenced it to
gummy bear final destination
other lurkers
7:17 PM me: I have realized it.
I don't have to like it.
7:18 PM So are you planning to look into Reckmon?
7:19 PM patrickgower2006: I am
me: Good, good.
patrickgower2006: not sure tonight
me: Just gotta check.
patrickgower2006: leave it to me
me: Yes. Yes I am.
patrickgower2006: like I said, guy isn't going to post beforehand
me: Nope!
7:20 PM Anyway, I'll have to get back to class in five minutes anyway.
patrickgower2006: i am definitely not playing forum mafia again after this
me: Meh.
7:21 PM It's not fun because you're doing housekeeping for me instead of killing stuff.
patrickgower2006: my motivation to play mafia was never killing stuff
if I want to kill stuff I'll play space invaders
me: Do you?
patrickgower2006: no
7:22 PM pokemon only faint not die though
me: You can make players faint.
patrickgower2006: I'm not saying this isn't fun
but the thought of playing a game wouldn't be
7:23 PM me: Oh?
7:24 PM patrickgower2006: yes, it is fun reading the game and trying to decide who's scum, but posting in a game isn't fun
7:25 PM me: Heh.
patrickgower2006: shame
me: I don't think posting in a game is fun until I'm doing it reallyreallyreally fast. But that's me.
patrickgower2006: that can continue
7:26 PM me: It will!
patrickgower2006: at least some people look town
me: But honestly, if I get future chances to play hydra games, your current behavior is not what I'm looking for in a second head. So this is our last game.
patrickgower2006: I know. I'm sorry
me: It's cool.
7:27 PM Anyway. Gotta get back to class.
patrickgower2006: bye
me: Have fun reading the game and deciding who the scum are.
Maybe you can pair up with Balam someday, except apparently not.
7:28 PM patrickgower2006: huh
me: Hmm?
patrickgower2006: i don';t know what you mean
me: "An explanation of our lacking presence: we had decided pre-game to have this hydra be a one head posts style hydra."
patrickgower2006: oh
me: "We see now that it is not effective if the designated posting head is not guaranteed to be available at consistent times."
7:29 PM patrickgower2006: we're ok then
me: Yup!
So yeah, class.
patrickgower2006: bye
me: Balam's more than two people.
patrickgower2006: mm
7:30 PM me: AND THOSE ARE MY LAST WORDS HERE.

(1:04:39 PM) patrickgower2006: why can't yosarian always be obvtown?
(1:06:56 PM) CaffieneDeity: Balam's town, anyway.
(1:07:11 PM) patrickgower2006: mm
(1:07:26 PM) patrickgower2006: gummybear looked ok
(1:07:32 PM) CaffieneDeity: I'm only just reading it.
(1:07:40 PM) patrickgower2006: so it really is reck eh
(1:07:41 PM) patrickgower2006: lol
(1:07:46 PM) CaffieneDeity: I've been binging a veeeeeeeeeery long webcomic thing.
(1:10:34 PM) CaffieneDeity: I'll drop her for now, but I think she's a whiny little OMGUSer who sucks.
(1:10:53 PM) CaffieneDeity: (When singersigner is reading this transcript in the future: hi, singersigner!)
(1:11:08 PM) patrickgower2006: if we thought everyone who had sucky suspicions of us was scum, we'd be attacking half the game
(1:11:26 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yeah, but she's also whiny and OMGUSy on top of sucking.
(1:11:31 PM) patrickgower2006: I honestly think if one of them is its more likely danaspot
(1:11:49 PM) CaffieneDeity: I know you do.
(1:11:55 PM) CaffieneDeity: Have you looked into Reckmon?
(1:12:22 PM) patrickgower2006: gummybear at least seemed to listen to what yosarian said. Danaspot clearly decided they wanted to suspect us then manufactured some reasons for it, which is a scum mindset or confirmation bias
(1:12:39 PM) CaffieneDeity: True.
(1:12:43 PM) patrickgower2006: I'm about to look at reck hydra in a minutwe
(1:12:48 PM) CaffieneDeity: Cool.
(1:12:59 PM) CaffieneDeity: I'm still reading the Yosarian/Gummy exchange.
(1:13:10 PM) patrickgower2006: well, thats why I saisd yos2 was obvtown
(1:13:20 PM) patrickgower2006: or he's suddenly playing alot better as scum
(1:13:33 PM) CaffieneDeity: Have you actually seen him as scum?
(1:13:38 PM) patrickgower2006: yes
(1:13:47 PM) patrickgower2006: played with too
(1:13:48 PM) CaffieneDeity: Dude's more likely to be town when he's awkward-like.
(1:14:53 PM) patrickgower2006: I don't realy have a good metas
(1:14:57 PM) patrickgower2006: he just feels different
(1:15:01 PM) CaffieneDeity: Heh.
(1:15:05 PM) CaffieneDeity: No worries.
(1:15:14 PM) CaffieneDeity: I support pushing Yosarian as town.
(1:15:25 PM) patrickgower2006: or not pushing him at all, even
(1:15:26 PM) CaffieneDeity: Ew. I got compard to Hoopla?
(1:15:46 PM) patrickgower2006: presumably they've seen hoopla using same strategy
(1:16:16 PM) CaffieneDeity: Okay, you're right, GummyBear is probably town.
(1:16:54 PM) patrickgower2006: untrod is still possible, I guess
(1:17:21 PM) patrickgower2006: kind of weird to attacl gummybear for commenting on you
(1:17:34 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yeah.
(1:17:47 PM) patrickgower2006: he's saying nobody cares about us, even though like everyone in a game suspects uis
(1:18:04 PM) patrickgower2006: even beaver still voting, though thats pretty old
(1:18:17 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yeah I'm probably just gonna vote them without any commentary.
(1:18:23 PM) CaffieneDeity: You can do your Reckmon stuff.
(1:18:27 PM) patrickgower2006: untrod?
(1:18:35 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mm.
(1:18:37 PM) patrickgower2006: reckmon is possible
(1:18:46 PM) CaffieneDeity: Reckmon is extremely possible.
(1:18:58 PM) CaffieneDeity: I just want to get my vote out clearly for emphasis.
(1:19:17 PM) patrickgower2006: who is tripod on again
(1:19:23 PM) CaffieneDeity: Huh?
(1:19:25 PM) patrickgower2006: he started the frog wagon
(1:19:26 PM) patrickgower2006: hm
(1:19:30 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yeah.
(1:20:47 PM) patrickgower2006: i have found a game where untrod was town
(1:20:54 PM) CaffieneDeity: I don't believe you.
(1:20:56 PM) patrickgower2006: I didn't think that existed
(1:21:08 PM) patrickgower2006: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 23&t=16125
(1:22:13 PM) patrickgower2006: reckamon also in this game
(1:22:20 PM) patrickgower2006: albeit apparently not appearing on the front page
(1:22:26 PM) CaffieneDeity: ...
(1:23:26 PM) CaffieneDeity: "LynchMePls replaces Reckamonic."
(1:23:32 PM) patrickgower2006: scum or town
(1:23:35 PM) CaffieneDeity: Town.
(1:23:42 PM) patrickgower2006: isod them, not alot of reference to conferring
(1:23:47 PM) CaffieneDeity: Day 1. First event since the beginning of Day 1.
(1:23:53 PM) patrickgower2006: though dram sort of does in the last post
(1:24:07 PM) patrickgower2006: lemme find another game
(1:26:05 PM) patrickgower2006: well, they seemed quick enough to provide thoughts
(1:26:30 PM) patrickgower2006: in another town game they have referenced wanting to confer
(1:26:41 PM) CaffieneDeity: For a week?
(1:26:50 PM) patrickgower2006: sort of
(1:27:00 PM) patrickgower2006: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2503743
(1:27:10 PM) patrickgower2006: next post a week later
(1:27:25 PM) CaffieneDeity: Wow. Why do these people suck so hard?
(1:27:39 PM) patrickgower2006: i don't think its much of a tell
(1:27:47 PM) patrickgower2006: process of elimination might be, though
(1:27:49 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mm.
(1:27:58 PM) patrickgower2006: greymarble could be scum, I guess
(1:28:03 PM) patrickgower2006: but not that likely
(1:28:05 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mm.
(1:28:46 PM) CaffieneDeity: So I'll have to interact with them. After making my disapproval for Mr. Tripod and his imaginary friend clear.
(1:29:32 PM) patrickgower2006: is tripod just on his own?
(1:29:50 PM) CaffieneDeity: No.
(1:30:13 PM) CaffieneDeity: Sounds a lot more like IS's personality, and IS is in other games as well.
(1:30:23 PM) CaffieneDeity: I just like pretending they're one person.
(1:30:40 PM) patrickgower2006: you think IS has posted?
(1:30:43 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yes.
(1:30:48 PM) patrickgower2006: he's hyper aggressive, even inanely so
(1:30:54 PM) patrickgower2006: but usually posts more eleganrtly
(1:30:54 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think I voted IS.
(1:31:14 PM) patrickgower2006: guess the last post might be IS
(1:31:29 PM) CaffieneDeity: But I think it's fun to refer to them consistently as "Mr. Tripod and his imaginary friend."
(1:32:03 PM) CaffieneDeity: And jeez, this game you found of Reckmon's is a fucking textwall, isn't it.
(1:32:10 PM) CaffieneDeity: I do not envy you.
(1:32:38 PM) patrickgower2006: I'm not going to read an emormous textwall
(1:32:50 PM) patrickgower2006: i';m sure a non enormous wall can be used
(1:32:53 PM) CaffieneDeity: For what it's worth, it looks like when he disappeared for a week, it was really more like disappearing for half a week. There was a night phase.
(1:33:08 PM) patrickgower2006: nevertheless, I don't think its much of a tell
(1:33:15 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mm.
(1:33:22 PM) patrickgower2006: they have been slow off the mark though
(1:33:40 PM) CaffieneDeity: Don't get me wrong. I mm along now, but you know I'll be picking a fight sometime today.
(1:34:00 PM) patrickgower2006: so its flay reck and beaverweasel
(1:34:07 PM) patrickgower2006: with possibly frog or dana
(1:34:25 PM) CaffieneDeity: No, Mr. Tripod and his imaginary friend are scum.
(1:34:29 PM) patrickgower2006: oh, forgot him
(1:34:34 PM) patrickgower2006: put him in somewhere too
(1:34:40 PM) patrickgower2006: didn't think all 3 lurkers would be scum
(1:34:44 PM) patrickgower2006: 1-2 likely are
(1:34:53 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mm.
(1:35:31 PM) patrickgower2006: if beaver weasel is scum they'll express healthy suspicion of us. no need to drop what might be useful for them later
(1:35:42 PM) CaffieneDeity: Heh.
(1:35:53 PM) CaffieneDeity: We are such a polarizing point and it's awesome.
(1:36:11 PM) patrickgower2006: well, unfortunately them doing that hardly proves they're scum
(1:36:25 PM) CaffieneDeity: Nah, but we can lynch 'em anyway.
(1:37:44 PM) CaffieneDeity: Where did Unicorns get to anyway?
(1:37:49 PM) patrickgower2006: no cluer
(1:37:59 PM) patrickgower2006: wondering if the one suspecting us was reapercharlie or something
(1:38:17 PM) CaffieneDeity: Did Fritzler punch the dude who expressed suspicion of me, except they were a hydra so really he was punching himself and they are now seriously injured?
(1:38:34 PM) CaffieneDeity: That had better be the true explanation. >=(
(1:39:04 PM) patrickgower2006: the post where untrod foses yos2 refers to both of them isoing frog
(1:39:44 PM) CaffieneDeity: You know.
(1:39:59 PM) patrickgower2006: the post where they voted frog is basically Vote: CES for being ces. that's scummy coming from IS, I think
(1:40:14 PM) CaffieneDeity: I kinda like that I'm the only hydra who signs posts, even though it's a forgone conclusion anyway.
(1:40:25 PM) patrickgower2006: but I don't think they're scum with frog
(1:40:33 PM) patrickgower2006: and I can't get conmfortable with frog right now
(1:40:53 PM) CaffieneDeity: It's cool. You don't have to!
(1:41:10 PM) patrickgower2006: IS would know ces, it hink
(1:41:25 PM) patrickgower2006: he bandwagons alot himself
(1:41:33 PM) CaffieneDeity: I guess we don't really know when they are CES and when they are Shanba.
(1:41:47 PM) CaffieneDeity: I was sort of weirded out that Shanba wouldn't unvote at what he believed to be -1.
(1:42:06 PM) patrickgower2006: this is what I mean, I get weird vibes from them
(1:42:14 PM) patrickgower2006: even though I think most of the attacks on them are shit
(1:42:58 PM) CaffieneDeity: I honestly haven't been paying that much attention to them. Do you want to make a joint post that does more analysis?
(1:43:22 PM) patrickgower2006: not sure it'll help too much
(1:43:23 PM) patrickgower2006: maybe
(1:43:45 PM) CaffieneDeity: Well I wasn't gonna do it on my own.
(1:44:20 PM) patrickgower2006: yes, I meant I'm not sure if I have anything to get out of them when its mostly just odd vibes
(1:44:23 PM) patrickgower2006: but I'll have a look
(1:44:36 PM) patrickgower2006: hey shanbam, why are you giving me odd vibes
(1:44:36 PM) patrickgower2006: lol
(1:46:23 PM) patrickgower2006: greymarble posted
(1:46:25 PM) patrickgower2006: meh post
(1:46:28 PM) CaffieneDeity: Right.
(1:46:39 PM) CaffieneDeity: At least he calls GummyBear town.
(1:46:48 PM) CaffieneDeity: Of course, he's one of those idiots who thinks we're scummy.
(1:47:08 PM) patrickgower2006: not sure how much he does, he just seems all over the place to me
(1:47:13 PM) patrickgower2006: its possible though
(1:47:23 PM) CaffieneDeity: Heh.
(1:47:41 PM) CaffieneDeity: You know, have I mentioned lately how much I love it when other people defend me so I don't have to?
(1:47:50 PM) patrickgower2006: probably
(1:47:52 PM) CaffieneDeity: Selfdefense is really boring and doesn't say all that much.
(1:47:59 PM) patrickgower2006: and you're not that good at it
(1:48:04 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yeah that too.
(1:48:27 PM) CaffieneDeity: But there's a correlation there.
(1:48:46 PM) CaffieneDeity: But anyway this is why we keep Yosarian around.
(1:49:05 PM) patrickgower2006: well, you can't really make the points so easily that he's making
(1:49:08 PM) patrickgower2006: about yourself
(1:49:18 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mm.
(1:49:27 PM) patrickgower2006: i guess it can be tried, but self meta is bad!!!111 etc
(1:49:35 PM) CaffieneDeity: Aww.
(1:49:51 PM) CaffieneDeity: Lots of these people just seem to hate all meta.
(1:49:56 PM) CaffieneDeity: Sour graps.
(1:49:59 PM) CaffieneDeity: Grapes, even.
(1:50:00 PM) patrickgower2006: I didn't see it as that common
(1:50:32 PM) patrickgower2006: i think the notion that good players can change their play rendering meta useless is very naive, and some professor should write an essay on it
(1:50:40 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mm.
(1:51:02 PM) patrickgower2006: if you can change your play at the drop of a hat, you'd have no trouble making your scum play and town play the same
(1:54:26 PM) patrickgower2006: equinox is always town, btw
(1:54:41 PM) CaffieneDeity: So she's like the antiTripod?
(1:54:44 PM) CaffieneDeity: The antripod.
(1:54:50 PM) CaffieneDeity: ...the bug.
(1:55:12 PM) patrickgower2006: tripod drew a town role though
(1:55:23 PM) CaffieneDeity: I'm still not convinced.
(1:55:37 PM) patrickgower2006: you saw it!
(1:55:49 PM) CaffieneDeity: My computer screen was glitching up.
(1:55:57 PM) patrickgower2006: I've played with him chat
(1:56:01 PM) patrickgower2006: he tends to be fairly scummy town
(1:56:07 PM) CaffieneDeity: Oh?
(1:56:13 PM) patrickgower2006: yes
(1:56:22 PM) patrickgower2006: fairly scummy scum too

[pokemon]

(5:38:34 PM) patrickgower2006: remind me why balam was town again
(5:39:19 PM) CaffieneDeity: Um, it was based on some sort of assumption that they genuinely were discussing and I dunno this made more sense maybe I've forgotten something.
(5:40:09 PM) patrickgower2006: hm
(5:40:20 PM) patrickgower2006: equinox is always town and rayfrost usually is too
(5:40:21 PM) patrickgower2006: so yeah
(5:40:50 PM) patrickgower2006: I just realised IS has probably been making all of that hydras posts
(5:41:08 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yep.
(5:42:12 PM) patrickgower2006: not sure why he spazzed out on me
(5:44:53 PM) CaffieneDeity: I've been binging a webcomic instead of playing mafia.
(5:45:00 PM) patrickgower2006: tssh
(5:45:06 PM) patrickgower2006: have you read today
(5:45:11 PM) CaffieneDeity: Nope!
(5:45:16 PM) CaffieneDeity: I'm doing it now?
(5:45:18 PM) patrickgower2006: well, I did at least post something
(5:45:46 PM) CaffieneDeity: I assumed that from you saying Mr. Tripod and his imaginary friend spazzed out on you.
(5:45:54 PM) patrickgower2006: kindof
(5:46:02 PM) patrickgower2006: must have misread something, I guess
(5:46:04 PM) patrickgower2006: not sure what
(5:46:22 PM) patrickgower2006: too many drugs being smoked
(5:46:24 PM) patrickgower2006: =(
(5:47:56 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yeah let's just kill him.
(5:48:59 PM) patrickgower2006: the whole blatantly false statements thing seems to be fashionable today
(5:49:09 PM) patrickgower2006: fate just misrepped yosarian in about 5 different ways
(5:54:42 PM) CaffieneDeity: Posted!
(5:54:55 PM) patrickgower2006: ok
(5:55:54 PM) patrickgower2006: i will read it when i finish this match
(5:56:10 PM) CaffieneDeity: "Guys, I got addicted to a very long webcomic and I need to finish binging it. Could someone wake me up when Mr. Tripod is dead?

-Ether

PS. Seriously people this is obvious."
(5:56:14 PM) CaffieneDeity: It is not a long post.
(5:56:15 PM) patrickgower2006: ok, he forfeited
(5:56:23 PM) CaffieneDeity: Excellent work!
(5:56:30 PM) patrickgower2006: tremendous
(5:56:52 PM) patrickgower2006: not sure how likely he is to be scum
(5:57:00 PM) patrickgower2006: his play not much different to that time when he was
(5:57:24 PM) CaffieneDeity: Well, you are the meta guy.
(5:57:30 PM) patrickgower2006: pfft
(5:57:49 PM) CaffieneDeity: Dunno the exact degree to which he's like this as town.
(5:58:11 PM) patrickgower2006: just seems to bandwagon and push aggressively as town and scum
(5:58:38 PM) patrickgower2006: thats essentially why I dislike him voting ces partially for bandwagoning
(5:58:44 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mm.
(5:58:51 PM) patrickgower2006: and partially for being belligerent
(5:58:54 PM) patrickgower2006: which is even worse
(5:59:13 PM) CaffieneDeity: Basically I think he's just completely making shit up and isn't really interested in who is scum.
(5:59:24 PM) patrickgower2006: quite possible

(11:46:41 AM) CaffieneDeity: So yeah Balam is town.
(11:46:47 AM) patrickgower2006: Sophie!

[...]

(11:56:31 AM) patrickgower2006: I am looking at equinox's stream of consciousness now
(11:57:25 AM) patrickgower2006: hm, beaverweasel
(11:57:33 AM) patrickgower2006: they're setting some kind of record here
(11:57:47 AM) CaffieneDeity: What record are we talking?
(11:58:02 AM) patrickgower2006: still haven't posted shit have they
(11:58:06 AM) CaffieneDeity: Nope!
(11:58:15 AM) patrickgower2006: unicorns voting yos, bad
(11:58:33 AM) patrickgower2006: who's TBD?
(11:58:36 AM) patrickgower2006: lol
(11:58:46 AM) CaffieneDeity: To be decided.
(11:58:51 AM) patrickgower2006: oh
(11:59:03 AM) CaffieneDeity: Mr. I-Have-Six-Heads is just kind of a dumbass. What can you do about it?
(11:59:16 AM) patrickgower2006: hmm
(11:59:21 AM) CaffieneDeity: Anyway, Balam's town, so that's nice.
(11:59:29 AM) patrickgower2006: I could send our buddies after them
(11:59:40 AM) CaffieneDeity: Huh?
(11:59:42 AM) patrickgower2006: before they figure out its us
(12:00:23 PM) patrickgower2006: it may be reaspercharlie posting
(12:00:58 PM) CaffieneDeity: We like to think that, don't we.
(12:01:06 PM) patrickgower2006: lol
(12:01:10 PM) CaffieneDeity: Have you even read some of RC's GD threads?
(12:01:12 PM) patrickgower2006: who else is there?
(12:01:18 PM) CaffieneDeity: Uh. Kise, Fritzler.
(12:01:20 PM) patrickgower2006: steffunny, kise
(12:01:21 PM) patrickgower2006: fritz
(12:01:27 PM) CaffieneDeity: Stefunny, yes.
(12:01:37 PM) patrickgower2006: I've vaguely seen some of RCs threads
(12:01:46 PM) patrickgower2006: there's obviously that one he got slammed for
(12:01:54 PM) CaffieneDeity: That was hilarious.
(12:02:43 PM) patrickgower2006: wow, look at cayke
(12:02:54 PM) patrickgower2006: since when did cayke start pwning stuff
(12:03:26 PM) patrickgower2006: just need her to switch the vote to US

[...]

(3:21:23 PM) patrickgower2006: are you certain final destination is town?
(3:21:27 PM) CaffieneDeity: Uh.
(3:21:29 PM) CaffieneDeity: Not really.
(3:21:38 PM) patrickgower2006: good
(3:22:05 PM) patrickgower2006: cuz what frog just posted essentially rings true to me
(3:22:33 PM) CaffieneDeity: Meh.
(3:23:13 PM) patrickgower2006: he isn't making weak cases, he's saying alot of things that are flatly untrue
(3:23:34 PM) patrickgower2006: Internet stranger is the same

[KIDNAPPING]

(11:47:53 AM) patrickgower2006: oooooh Ether
(11:48:03 AM) CaffieneDeity: Ooooooh?
(11:48:09 AM) CaffieneDeity: Oh.
(11:48:11 AM) patrickgower2006: ooooo
(11:48:22 AM) patrickgower2006: you still need to post
(11:48:34 AM) CaffieneDeity: I think you meant ohhhhh.
(11:48:38 AM) patrickgower2006: I did
(11:48:41 AM) CaffieneDeity: Oooooh has different connotations.
(11:48:42 AM) patrickgower2006: and you need to post
(11:49:23 AM) CaffieneDeity: Okay you saying this has caused me to open the Fogeys thread, which is more than I've done recently.
(11:49:30 AM) CaffieneDeity: Got a brunch date with my grandmother, though.
(11:49:46 AM) CaffieneDeity: In the meantime, I can report reading individual posts to you if you'd like.
(11:49:46 AM) patrickgower2006: post acknowledging please
(11:50:28 AM) patrickgower2006: there's not that much to catch up on
(11:50:36 AM) CaffieneDeity: Heh.
(11:51:01 AM) patrickgower2006: camn, 6 days though
(11:51:03 AM) patrickgower2006: damn*
(11:51:11 AM) CaffieneDeity: Yeah. x_x
(11:51:28 AM) CaffieneDeity: Time flew. I only really realized I was even synchronized yesterday.
(11:51:47 AM) patrickgower2006: so at least post acknowledging prodding and say you'll post after your brunch
(11:52:03 AM) patrickgower2006: say you've been a bad and naughty girl too if you like
(11:52:07 AM) CaffieneDeity: Uh.
(11:52:13 AM) CaffieneDeity: Whatever you're into, Patrick.
(11:52:18 AM) patrickgower2006: lol
(11:52:34 AM) CaffieneDeity: *whips*
(11:52:35 AM) patrickgower2006: also lurkfest in hydra
(11:52:47 AM) CaffieneDeity: Yes I will worry about that next.
(11:52:59 AM) CaffieneDeity: Paradoxically because I'm not synchronized there.
(11:53:06 AM) patrickgower2006: beaverweasel has voted yosarian, claiming scum in the process
(11:53:11 AM) CaffieneDeity: ...so I guess that's what synchronization means.
(11:53:16 AM) CaffieneDeity: Okay, cool.
(11:53:20 AM) CaffieneDeity: We have two of the scumteam.
(11:53:30 AM) patrickgower2006: not actually claimed scum
(11:53:31 AM) CaffieneDeity: Are you still hesitant with Mr. Tripod?
(11:53:36 AM) CaffieneDeity: I got thta.
(11:53:36 AM) patrickgower2006: i just thought his post was scummy
(11:53:53 AM) patrickgower2006: I'm not that hesitant on him, I'm just not certain
(11:53:59 AM) patrickgower2006: I don't have a problem voting him
(11:54:41 AM) CaffieneDeity: Well lurking for a year didn't give them any points before the horrible vot.
(11:54:50 AM) CaffieneDeity: I like Balam's way of putting it.
(11:54:58 AM) CaffieneDeity: Something about meteors, was it?
(11:55:20 AM) patrickgower2006: back, got d/c
(11:55:36 AM) patrickgower2006: patrickgower2006 4:53 pm
i just thought his post was scummy
I'm not that hesitant on him, I'm just not certain
I don't have a problem voting him
(11:56:13 AM) CaffieneDeity: Oh. I thought you were referring to Tripod there.
(11:56:29 AM) CaffieneDeity: "(11:54:41 AM) CaffieneDeity: Well lurking for a year didn't give them any points before the horrible vot.
(11:54:50 AM) CaffieneDeity: I like Balam's way of putting it.
(11:54:58 AM) CaffieneDeity: Something about meteors, was it?"
(11:57:01 AM) patrickgower2006: balam hasn't posted since weasels vote
(11:57:12 AM) CaffieneDeity: Which I have not actually read.
(11:57:26 AM) CaffieneDeity: I think I last checked on...Monday or Tuesday? Can't remember which.
(11:57:40 AM) patrickgower2006: dunno, it just seemed like a standard scumposting
(11:57:57 AM) CaffieneDeity: Sure!
(11:58:14 AM) patrickgower2006: post check in oldy mafia before scuttling off for brunch
(11:59:10 AM) CaffieneDeity: Keep in mind that I'm expecting a phone call before said scuttling off.
(11:59:32 AM) patrickgower2006: thats fine, it dioeisn't have to be a lengthy post
(11:59:45 AM) CaffieneDeity: I know. I'm just saying, it's not going to be really sudden.
(11:59:55 AM) CaffieneDeity: "Your effort early on to paint yourself as a newb was decietful." Oh god he said it again.
(12:00:12 PM) CaffieneDeity: We're still calling them Mastin, right?
(12:00:13 PM) patrickgower2006: called him on it
(12:00:32 PM) patrickgower2006: noted that your very first post named us both, even if they have sigs turned off
(12:03:23 PM) CaffieneDeity: I guess BeaverWeasel is two people who both have some kind of condition that keeps them from understanding very obvious sarcasm.
(12:03:39 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think we can probably look closer into this through that avenue if we actually cared.
(12:03:48 PM) CaffieneDeity: Which we don't.
(12:04:35 PM) CaffieneDeity: I think we should totally start being masons with Yosarian now by the way.
(12:04:37 PM) CaffieneDeity: That would be funny.
(12:04:46 PM) patrickgower2006: its not just missing sarcasm, the info was available in your first post
(12:04:53 PM) CaffieneDeity: Oh I know.
(12:05:07 PM) CaffieneDeity: That means missing sarcasm ONLY EVEN MORE SO.
(12:05:21 PM) patrickgower2006: i mean, i guess we can establish if theyu're town they aren't very good, but still
(12:05:22 PM) CaffieneDeity: Probably uncomfortable for any real masons, but unlikely that they exist in a hydra game. I think.
(12:05:26 PM) patrickgower2006: it didn't strike me well
(12:06:02 PM) CaffieneDeity: In D&D terms, the alignment of that statement is neutral/stupid.
(12:06:14 PM) CaffieneDeity: They are evil for other reasons.
(12:06:31 PM) patrickgower2006: generic scumposting, as I said
(12:06:44 PM) patrickgower2006: join popular wagon with fluff/bad reasons
(12:06:47 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mm.
(12:07:36 PM) patrickgower2006: grey voted US.
(12:07:43 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yes, I'm reading.
(12:07:59 PM) CaffieneDeity: "Finally, the players voting for them aren't bad company." Note in case he acts funny toward us later. Still, probably town.
(12:08:09 PM) patrickgower2006: that didn't bother me
(12:08:13 PM) CaffieneDeity: We can call Mastin on deflecting from Mr. Tripod.
(12:08:17 PM) CaffieneDeity: No, it doesn't bother me.
(12:08:21 PM) patrickgower2006: he';s a bit too bandwagony, dunno if its playstyle
(12:08:37 PM) CaffieneDeity: It's just something I'm keeping in mind for future reference.
(12:08:53 PM) patrickgower2006: he was on the other side of that fence not so long ago, voting FES
(12:09:05 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yes.
(12:09:22 PM) patrickgower2006: i have asked beaver if he's scum with US, we should know by next week
(12:09:31 PM) CaffieneDeity: Hooray!
(12:09:46 PM) CaffieneDeity: I'll unsynchronize and get the game moving properly again. Stay tuned!
(12:09:56 PM) patrickgower2006: and you'll post a sheepish post in my game
(12:10:05 PM) CaffieneDeity: And then a longer one?
(12:11:01 PM) patrickgower2006: yes
(12:13:09 PM) patrickgower2006: cayke calling people out on bullshit again
(12:13:10 PM) patrickgower2006: lol
(12:13:15 PM) CaffieneDeity: Whoo!
(12:13:40 PM) patrickgower2006: did you notice flay being replaced by lord fonz
(12:13:45 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yes.
(12:13:47 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yes I did.
(12:13:59 PM) patrickgower2006: so that leaves only reck
(12:14:04 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mm.
(12:31:50 PM) CaffieneDeity: "I am dissapointed that there are less YosCayke/Pathetric votes." "Of the two, Pathetric is actually reading town to me." I don't think anyone quoted these two statements next to each other yet.
(12:32:19 PM) CaffieneDeity: That's actually so amazingly horrible that it's almost town.
(12:32:42 PM) CaffieneDeity: Hey, BeaverWeasel! If you're reading this after the game, you're a dumbass.
(12:32:53 PM) CaffieneDeity: Or if you aren't reading this after the game, really.
(12:32:56 PM) CaffieneDeity: It doesn't matter.
(12:33:04 PM) patrickgower2006: well, presumably its some kind of going forward chronologically thing
(12:33:11 PM) CaffieneDeity: Mm.
(12:33:19 PM) CaffieneDeity: Statement stands.
(12:33:53 PM) CaffieneDeity: And...it's not really chronologically correct, anywy.
(12:34:05 PM) CaffieneDeity: Could be changing their mind.
(12:34:10 PM) patrickgower2006: well, it can mean earlier he hoped that, then decided otherwise
(12:34:23 PM) patrickgower2006: like, decided not to attack us now the pressure is off
(12:34:38 PM) CaffieneDeity: Heh.
(12:35:27 PM) patrickgower2006: i think someone took apart the logic for the vote, which looked shaky in places
(12:35:43 PM) CaffieneDeity: Well yes.
(12:35:48 PM) CaffieneDeity: It was a godawful vote.
(12:36:10 PM) patrickgower2006: yeah, I don't mean in terms of bad/fluffy reasons, I mean i think someone deconstructed bad looking logic steps
(12:36:15 PM) patrickgower2006: migfht have bedn cayke actually
(12:36:21 PM) CaffieneDeity: Yeah.
(12:37:08 PM) patrickgower2006: oh hm, might have been yos himself

[...]

(5:31:00 PM) CaffieneDeity: "(5:30:50 PM) tehbuttonmen: I'm actually in the middle of replacing reckamonic"
(5:31:06 PM) patrickgower2006: ok

[...]

(7:07:06 PM) CaffieneDeity: Whoo!
(7:07:10 PM) CaffieneDeity: Gurgi is a man of taste.
(7:07:46 PM) patrickgower2006: whats he done?
(7:08:25 PM) CaffieneDeity: Voted Mr. Tripod.
(7:08:31 PM) patrickgower2006: oh, good

[Llamarble]

I really wish my reads had somehow frozen after I wrote this in our QT:

I'm caught up now. Expect in-thread posts soon but not tonight (4 am).
Your posting has been awesome throughout btw.
Read list (Finally)
Town:
Us
Danaspot

Probably town:
SVT (Good reaction to copper, I thought)
Balam (Regularly updating 3 different tracks of pretend-townthinking seems tricky, though it would be a good scum strategy. I should look and see if the individual trains of thought make sense. There have been a few specific posts I liked though.)
FD

Nullish:
Gummy
Yoscayke (Was starting to lean town on them, but their reads on Spot & the logic in defense of FES are lousy)

Scummish:
Fonzi
Copper
UB (they feel a lot like scum prepping a PR claim)

Scummiest:
FES

I do think FES is the right lynch today, but I'd like to assemble the case properly to make sure scummotive better explains their actions than townmotive. I am worried by Yos' defense of them; it makes me suspect Yosscum whiteknighting doomed town.

I would definitely prefer to lynch someone wagoning spot today. I feel like all the incentives are there for scum to try and wagon despite the fact that we realize he's obvtown.

This was the result of a 3 hour deep analysis session and I was ready to finish off FES.
But then the next day I decided I didn't think FES was as scummy as Copper or UB.
And then I read gummy and thought they were scum after attention went to them. Oh well.

[GreyICE]

Damn Ether that's some solid tracks for D1.

Marble... I think we were both too tentitive in the hydra run. I know in a do-over I would have agreed to hammer after you made that post.

[Incognito]

Yos, I'm sorry man, but all of my reasoning is back there in the thread if you wanna relive it lol. Everything I said there while attacking you was what I believed.

-~-~-~

As far as the hydra discussion goes, I really enjoyed working with smargaret. I didn't know how it would work out because I've never played in a game with her before, so I didn't know how she was as a player thinking-wise, but I think we meshed pretty well. We had a "post whenever we felt like it" type of attitude; we discussed things in the QT but we never felt like we had to wait for input from one another before we posted stuff. I think that worked out pretty well.

I'm fine with posting our QT if she approves also.