New York 131: Tricycle Mafia (Day 5)

[mastin2]

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^The first one there has been there for well over five minutes. Might we expect a wall? (It aint coming from the second one, ironically enough.)

[jmurph3]

maybe it's cause... hmmm I dunno... I'm waiting for a reply?

From whom are you waiting for a reply?

@jmurph - "OMG, Pine is scum because look how he was against the Toon Fighter wagon but than suddenly jumped on it, OMGLOLWTF!?!"
Why is Pine more scummy than Toon Fighter for this interplay?

What? I was never against the Toon wagon. I've been FOR it almost from page 1. I just forgot to actually vote until the mod's votecount reminded me I was still on my RVS vote of nhammen

Not what I said, and not what I meant. Pine admittedly made a small comment regarding toon early on, but his sudden emphasis on the wagon and his emphatic statements that he has always supported it stood out to me as being scummy.

[Thor665]

@jmurph - could you restate what you said and meant - clearly I'm not getting it.

[jmurph3]

@jmurph - could you restate what you said and meant - clearly I'm not getting it.

Pine claimed here:

What? I thought my vote was on Toon. nhammen vote was pure RVS, Toon is real.

UNVOTE: nhammen
VOTE: Toon

This seemed rather odd to me, given that his only two statements about toon up until this point were:

EDT, do your own research on me, and I'm pretty active and vocal.

No real early reads yet, though I'm not a fan of the early sheeping out of Toon.

Ohai Wraith

and

Yeah. In lieu of anything more convincing, I'm sticking with my slight gut lead I had on Toon Fighter. It's not a random vote.

after which he went on a completely different tangent. This stuck out as scummy to me because of his conviction in this "real" vote when he has hardly said anything about Toon and definitely not made a real case against him. Does that make more sense?

[Pine]

Dude. This isn't complicated. Add a vote on Toon into the second quote, and it all makes sense. A vote was clearly intended, but I made a mistake and left the actual vote off.

[DeityKabuto]

Game Observation

Basically, this is my observation of the game so far, and who appears scummy or not. I am making this unbiased, and trying to deliver this reasonably.

At the start of the game, we had a RVS, which is a Random Voting Stage. This happened mostly on pages 1-2. There is not much valid information that can be gained from those posts, but after that the game got a bit interesting. On the first Vote Count, Maxous was already put on a wagon of three votes (Amor, Thor665, Nobody Special) and nhammen was on a wagon of two votes (Pine, Toon Fighter). Interesting how wagons can be formed in the RVS and how quickly they change, but afterwords Pine states that his vote on nhammen was not random and he had a "gut feeling" that he is scum YET he had a vote on nhammen. I really think that Pine should clarify, and explain to us what is making us feel that Toon Fighter is scum. Also how Subzero's RV was serious, was quite interesting. But after a while, Maxous started questioning Subzero and Pine about their serious votes. And then Pine claimed that he thought he had his vote on Toon Fighter, not nhammen, and nhammen was just a random vote. Later on, Subzero had explained his vote on Toon Fighter, and why he think Toon Fighter is scum. His reasons were valid, but also more of an assumption. This caused Toon Fighter to lose his temper and snap on SubzeroSith, at the same time, he seems like an innocent townie. Up to now, people seem to be going about questioning others and carrying on in lite discussions pertaining the game.

100% - you lean towards being scum
50% - neutral
0% - you lean towards being townie

*Everyone started at 50%, and as I re-read the thread, and examined their actions, their percentage either went up or down. In-actives automatically get 10% added to their percentage and I am unaware of who's lurking atm.

Player Statuses:

silverbullet999 - 55% (Trollish?)

SubzeroSith - 53% (serious RV but he explained himself well)

Thor665 - 50%

Amor - 45% (he is playing a smart townie and making statements)

Wraith - 45% (playing it smart, using a meta on nhammen, seems townie)

mastin2 - 50% (unsure if his vote on SubzeroSith was random or not, just replaced in so he missed the RVS stage though)

MrZepher - 58% (he seems to be playing it a bit too safe on post #77)

Pine - 60% (serious RV, never really explained his vote unlike how Subzero did)

Knight of Cydonia - 40% (actively questioning)

Toon Fighter - 53% (he seems kind of innocent, but lost his "cool" when he voted SubzeroSith claiming his reasons "bs")

Maxous - 40% (scum hunting early)

nhammen - 50%

jmurph3 - 40% (scum hunting)

Nobody Special - 53% (admitted earlier on that he wasn't that interested in the game, and not contributing much)

Uite - 60% (claimed he would start posting and failed to do so)

Surye - 60% (placed a vote, then went under the radar, inactive)

DarthYoshi - 60% (not posting/contributing much)

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With that said, it seems as if Pine appears more scummy than Toon since he had never really explained to us his vote when he switched from nhammen to Toon Fighter.

Unvote
Vote Pine

[Thor665]

@jmurph - the post where you initially dinged Pine. You basically spend half of it attacking Toon, and than the other half attacking Pine for how he voted for Toon. What sort of scum relationship do you think you're onto here?

EBWOP - Hmph, well it's a wall...not much use there, but an attempt. Meh, DK can be town for a while, but anyone who sheeps him will be insta-mocked.

[Pine]

Interesting how wagons can be formed in the RVS and how quickly they change, but afterwords Pine states that his vote on nhammen was not random and he had a "gut feeling" that he is scum YET he had a vote on nhammen.

I've already stated this, but I'll do so again. The "this vote is not random" was intended to accompany a vote on Toon.

The first thing that tipped me off on Toon was how, during the RVS, he piled a second vote onto a truly meaningless one, and tried to make an early wagon out of nothing. Since then, he's scummed up the thread at every turn.

I think you'll find that once you take into consideration the correct interpretation of the "this vote is not random" post, everything I've said makes more sense.

[DeityKabuto]

Interesting how wagons can be formed in the RVS and how quickly they change, but afterwords Pine states that his vote on nhammen was not random and he had a "gut feeling" that he is scum YET he had a vote on nhammen.

I've already stated this, but I'll do so again. The "this vote is not random" was intended to accompany a vote on Toon.

The first thing that tipped me off on Toon was how, during the RVS, he piled a second vote onto a truly meaningless one, and tried to make an early wagon out of nothing. Since then, he's scummed up the thread at every turn.

I think you'll find that once you take into consideration the correct interpretation of the "this vote is not random" post, everything I've said makes more sense.

I understand your view on this, but Toon's second vote on SubzeroSith, I see it as purely out of Sith's attacks getting to his emotions so he had placed a vote on him. Imho, Toon seems kind of innocent, but your reasons for voting him aren't that "strong". Also, do people normally think that bandwagons can work early in the game?

[Pine]

Not necessarily, but early bandwagons, and being early onto those wagons, can deflect attention away from you. Had Toon done it a bit more subtly, it would have worked. The clumsy way it was done was more suggestive of scum than the vote itself, really.

[Uite]

I'm sorry about not being active earlier, I've been very tired the past two days. So far, I've only been able to skim the thread, but I can say that I don't trust Thor one bit. I'll have to do a proper reread to get a real opinion about him and everyone else in the game though.

[silverbullet999]

-jmurph

From whom are you waiting for a reply?

Maxous, 129...

-deity

(Trollish?)

Eh it's more cranky/scarred/not into the serious mode fully yet/slightly reliving there will be blood (thus the scars).

[Toon Fighter]

Hey y'all, I am a bit more calm now

[Toon Fighter]

@ Pine: I've honestly never seen an early day wagon result in a lynch. Can you shown me a game where that happened?

[Toon Fighter]

@mastin2: you seem to be trying to slip under the radar easily. Also, your 3 psots so far are bs. No content, a crappy vote with no reasoning, and you want DK to make a big post, but you don't do any.

unvote, vote: mastin

I want more content out of you, fast

[Pine]

Example

There's at least one more, but it's ongoing.

[Toon Fighter]

@Pine: what are your thoughts on the current wagons on SZS and Pine?

[Pine]

I have no real opinion on SZS's wagon, one way or the other. They haven't done anything to make me especially suspicious of them, but neither have they given off any town tells.

The wagon on me is a pressure wagon, based in part on an admittedly-awkward post. I'm not especially concerned about it, because I'm secure in the knowledge that I'm Town and that fact will show itself in time.

[SubzeroSith]

SubzeroSith - 53% (serious RV but he explained himself well)

The initial random vote was not serious. It was a random vote. After post 22, I then had valid reasoning for it to be a serious vote, and it was simply coincidence that it was on the same person whom I had random voted.

DarthYoshi - 60% (not posting/contributing much)

Yoshi is not a player in this game. He posted to clarify this hydra.

Most of what you said in that post was fairly useless.

[mastin2]

(unsure if his vote on SubzeroSith was random or not, just replaced in so he missed the RVS stage though)

Totally. Dead serious, in fact.
SubSith's SO Scum. Seriously.

[quadz08]

Votecounty McVotecounterson

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

jmurph3 (0) –
silverbullet999 (1) - Maxous
mastin2 (1) - Toon Fighter
Wraith (0) -
Amor (1) - nhammen
nhammen (0) –
DeityKabuto (0) -
Pine (3) – Wraith, jmurph3, DeityKabuto
MrZepher (0) -
Surye (0) -
Nobody Special (0) -
Thor665 (1) – Knight of Cydonia
Uite (0) -
SubzeroSith (3) – Surye, silverbullet999, mastin2
Toon Fighter (4) – SubzeroSith, Pine, MrZepher, Thor665
Maxous (1) – Nobody Special
Knight of Cydonia (1) – Amor

Not Voting (1) –Uite

Deadline is May 18th at 4:00 PM Pacific Time.

Zepher is Semi – V/LA indefinitely.
Nhammen is V/LA until Wednesday.
Thor will be V/LA from May 12 – May 15.

[Amor]

@mastin2: you seem to be trying to slip under the radar easily. Also, your 3 psots so far are bs. No content, a crappy vote with no reasoning, and you want DK to make a big post, but you don't do any.

unvote, vote: mastin

I want more content out of you, fast

"Hey guys, pay me no mind, let's go after the guy who replaced in yesterday for lack of content."

No one seems to agree with me about Knight so...

Unvote
Vote: Toon Fighter

[Thor665]

Derf.

Mod - correction V/LA - actual dates are May 12-15

Noted.

@Amor - I actually agree with you about him insomuch as I find him scummy. The issue is I find him scummy for things you're also doing and that I find scummier than how he's doing them. Do you find Toon scummy for anything other than what you just quoted?

[Surye]

Sorry, still catching up on all my games after my V/LA, but I'm back to this one now. And it needs some life breathed into it.. lets see..

ToonFighter wagon sucks. So does the Subzero one.

Unvote

Sigh, we need a better wagon to get today going. I like Amor much better.

Vote: Amor

Attacks scumhunting because of weak language, when we only currently have weak information in this slow game.

[silverbullet999]

(unsure if his vote on SubzeroSith was random or not, just replaced in so he missed the RVS stage though)

Totally. Dead serious, in fact.
SubSith's SO Scum. Seriously.

Alright.. sub is town.

UNVOTE: