Mini 1137: Long Overdue Mafia [Game Over!]

[Faraday]

this might be the time where Setael quotes my pictures and says thanks just sayin' >_>

[havingfitz]

Faraday...can you unvote for a second and give your actions a bit of thought? I know you like to go off gut but if you are town as you claim....I think it is in your and the rest of town's best interest to think a bit more before acting.

I'm not discounting the fact that mikemike could very well be scum but I've also had strong suspicions towards Cecily this entire game...and I can not discount my opinion that there is in all likelihood more than one scum [Pine] on Void's 7 person mislynch. Which would point to you or Bub if there is more than one.

Additionally...I have never played with a traitor in 30+ games so where the sudden push/acceptance that there could be one in here is coming from does not make sense. If anything...unless I am mistaken...considering the possibility there is a traitor in the game would seem to benefit scum. I would not even begin to think we are in anything but MYLO at this time and luckily I was wrong earlier when I thought 3 votes would be a lynch.

I think Bub deserves a closer look and I still maintain my suspicions towards Cecily. I'm not ready att to put a vote on mikemike....I still think a better play would be Cecily or Bub. Or a no lynch. Though if there is a no lynch all that would do is allow scum to get rid of (I assume) Setael (who it appears most are considering town) or myself (in light of your claim). If we did go that route we could all give our top two suspects and then whoever is nk'd would be able to give their opinions pre-nk/flip/confirmed alignment.

As it is at this moment I'd say my suspects are Cecily, Bub (based on VCA and claims), mikemike...the you and last Setael.

[Faraday]

unvote

better? >_>

[Faraday]

but dude fucking mikemike was just caught in a lie!!

[havingfitz]

Could you point it out to me again...(as I go looking for it)...

[Faraday]

well okay not a lie, but check his reaction to the tracker claim, he visited someone night 1. he should be screaming BLOODY MURDER for a pine lynch.

[havingfitz]

I've done some thinking, and right now I'm pretty confidant that MikeMike is scum.

Back on D-2 when Pine fake-claimed tracker, he said that he tracked MikeMike and got nothing. However, if he was an actual tracker and tracked MikeMike on N-1 he

would

have found that MikeMike targetted Jahudo, assuming that MikeMike's telling the truth. However, he said that he got

nothing

.

aSSUMING THIS IS THE LIE TO WHICH YOU REFER fARADAY...HOW IS IT A LIE? [CRAP...PARDON THE CAPS]... Pine fakeclaimed tracker so the fact he didn't see mikemike going anywhere means nothing.

p-edit + self obtained realization.....

OK..I see what the point is regarding mikemike's reaction to Pine's claim. I need to go look at his post-Pine actions.

What does mike have to say about it? It might be enough to vote him [mikemike].....

[Faraday]

EH I kinda wanna vote mikemike BUT why the fuck would he lie, he's proven to have a neighbouriser abillity.

[havingfitz]

Where has mikemike lied? The current excitement re: him appears to be based on his non-reaction to Pine's claim. I agree it is suspicious but at the same time...he already had his vote on Pine and a Pine lynch looked like a sure thing. Why out yourself [ie mikemike]? Though I think neighbors/neighborizors are a pretty much worthless role. So on the one hand...Pine appeared doomed whether mikemike said anything or not, on the other hand, even if mikemike had called him on it...not sure there would have been any repercussions towards mike. Seems like a coin toss as to his response's implications.

[mikemike778]

Re - my supposed lie.

When I read Pine's claim I emailed Rhino specifically to ask whether my failed neighbourizer attempt would be shown up by a tracker. Rhino categorically confirmed a

tracker would get nothing back

. Hence why I didn't claim there and then, its also another reason for my delayed reponse to the claim - I was waiting for Rhino to get back.

Rhino, I appreciate you can't confirm I emailed you this but can you confirm that in the scenario described a tracker would get no result ?

I'm going to be seriously pissed off with you as a mod if I get lynched because you aren't answering questions like this re your mechanics especially given you answered them in a personal email. Either its confidential how the mechanics work or its not.

[mikemike778]

Eh, mikemike what changed your opinion on me? I thought I was scum a page ago, but as soon as Setael says I'm town I'm town?

The mass claim coming out with no other power roles

[mikemike778]

OK, agreed with Satael that given the massclaim Faraday is almost certainly telling the truth. Neighbourizer is pretty much a glorified vanilla role really so if Faraday is being economical with the truth then it would leave us with only a one-shot vig which is probably unlikely. Therefore I'm reluctantly wiping faraday off my scum list and on the same basis Fitz (even if he was some sort of traitor then without a gun he's harmless).

So that leaves

Bub
Cesily
Satael

In that order. When ISO ing Bub during Day 3 I did become pretty convinced he was scum so on that basis he is back to my number 1 choice to lynch with Ces as his buddy or possibly Fitz if faraday is right with his traitor thoughts.

This post gave me the creeps.

@Mike - I can't look back at what you posted D3 right now, but if you thought he was scum why is this the first you've mentioned it today? What made him get bumped from your top scum slot, and what made you want to put him back there?

Q1 - In the QT overnight he was giving me town vibes hence why he got bumped off number 1 spot behind Faraday and Fitz

Q2 - He got put back there when I had second thoughts on Faraday and therefore Fitz following the mass claim

[mikemike778]

And that was it for the day. If MikeMike was telling the truth, why didn't he claim right then and there? It isn't like neighborizer is a powerfull role that would be a huge loss to the town.

As I've said ... Neighbourizer is essentially a vanilla claim, sure its no great loss but it makes it easier for the scum to aim at the real power roles. I was sure as heck going to wait until I had something definite on Pine before claiming.

Given the neighbourizer role proves nothing, it did make me wonder why you were suggesting we reveal it in the QT ... I guess if you were a traitor then you would probably think that the main scum team would find the information useful in chosing their NK especially seeing as we were discussing the pros and cons of a no lynch. Obviously a no lynch would make this info more useful.

VOTE: Bub

[havingfitz]

Following the Pine lynch and your neighborizing of Bub...did your lack of reaction towards Pine's fakeclaim findings on you come up in the QT?

[Faraday]

ooh. good question.

[havingfitz]

ooh. good question.

Do you ever sleep?

[Faraday]

Yeah but not lately, what with finals and shit mostly done

[mikemike778]

Following the Pine lynch and your neighborizing of Bub...did your lack of reaction towards Pine's fakeclaim findings on you come up in the QT?

Nope.

[Cecily]

@mod, can we have a vote count please?

I'm sorry I can't make a very detailed read through right now, and looking over what I did made me confused so I can't really contribute right now.

V/LA till sunday

studying for finals is going to kill me.

[Setael]

this might be the time where Setael quotes my pictures and says thanks just sayin' >_>

Oh yeah... I forgot about those.

Here's something I whipped up in MS paint to show you exactly what I did for you Setael~

Spoiler: Omg faraday's awesome

Spoiler: AH SO AWESOME

Spoiler: BEST FRIENDS

These are pretty much amazing, actually. Such artistic talent! I didn't thank you for the present because I didnt want to take your scum bribes, but I think you're town now so... Thank you.

So, Bub and Cecily are the scum. I will support a wagon on either of them.

Setael, now tell me, who's your best friend?

You are, Faraday.

Who is it? No, seriously.

It's you, Faraday.

It's me, and always will be won't it? <3

Yes, yes it will.

[havingfitz]

In addition to a sudden urge to vomit....I'll VOTE: Bub.

I still suspect Cecily more but based on, and consistent with, my VCA sentiments...I like what I view as a 50/50 chance.

Cecily and Bub...what are your takes/reads on each other?

[Setael]

Don't be jeal, fitz.

[Faraday]

Er, fitz why the hell are you voting bub over mikemike here? I'm itching to lay down a vote but :impulsecontrol:

[Rhinox]

...failed neighbourizer attempt would be shown up by a tracker?...

mike, this was basically already answered. I've been pretty lenient confirming how hypothetical role interactions would work. I'm not going to answer all kinds of specific role mechanic questions or shotgun style 20 questions (hey all these different hypo 1-shot roles, how do they work?), or apply my general answers to specific situations.

I believe what you want me to answer was already answered in the response below:

Rhinox, what result would a tracker receive if he targetted a PR who targetted player A, but that PR was roleblocked? No result, or...?

A tracker would not see the PR target anyone in this scenario.

And with this I'm putting a moratorium on answering role interaction/mechanics questions unless there is a really obvious reason for me needing to provide clarification.

Vote count incoming next post.

[havingfitz]

Er, fitz why the hell are you voting bub over mikemike here? I'm itching to lay down a vote but :impulsecontrol:

Because I think there was more than one scum on Void's mislynch. My choices are you and Bub. Would you prefer I vote you?