Mini 1161 - Neruzian Era Mafia (Over!)

[Sloth]

Jesus, charter, just saying that my points aren't specific doesn't make them not-specific when I specifically talked about the specific things that were specifically scummy about you specifically.

Quilford's recent postings to me make me pretty much 100% certain that he's town. Let's get off him now okay.

Charter's continual push on Quilford after the claim seems to me like he's scum trying to revive what he thought would be an easy lynch.

FoS charter

As you've been saying, people haven't been giving good reasons that you're scum but voting you nonetheless. That's virtually no pressure, those votes won't hold up all the way through a lynch. When they all give compelling reasons for voting, that's when you're in hot water. I would be willing to bet that all but two or so of the people voting you would unvote at the first sign of scumhunting, but that never came.

Now that you've claimed vanilla, there's no reason to lynch someone besides you.

pedit, how many games have you played on MS, Quilford?

Gonna

Unvote

Since I in no way want the day to end right now.

The bolded statement is the reason for this: VOTE: Charter

Especially with the way you're now slightly backing down once people started calling him town.

charter's play looks very town, tbh. the wanting to lynch a vanilla thing isn't scummy, it's something i'd expect out of him regardless of alignment. I actually

like

his position w/r/t the quilford wagon before the claim very much.

Meh, disagree. I think he's pushing for an easy town lynch D1.

Anyways hiplop is back to being scummy. In your eyes, hip, what is the reason you're voting Quilford?

[Sloth]

2) So let me get this straight.
Faraday: "Twistedspoon claimed scum in Twilight"
Sloth: "Pretty much nothing more to say there, VOTE: someone else"
Do you think charter has a better chance of being scum than Twistedspoon, even though you agree that Teaspoon is

confirmed

claimed scum?

Again, would you please stop putting words into my mouth. This type of misquoting is getting scummy. I never agreed that TS was confirmed or claimed scum. Claimed scum is obviously an exaggeration - I thought what he did in twilight was scummy, yes, but that doesn't make him 100% scum in my eyes.

And yes, I think charter definitely has a better chance of being scum than twisted.

[Quilford]

There's a difference. I'm taking someone off L-1 whereas you would've put someone on L-1.

Also, a hammer would be bad considering how far away from deadline we are.

[DarthYoshi]

@Hiplop: Re-read TS's initial post after Emp was hammered by Pappums. Everything about it screams that he knew Emp was going to flip town, and he was distancing himself from it.

^Sloth's above post (#526) pretty much confirms him as scum if TS also flips scum. Sloth's #443 actually is the first to point out said scumminess, but now, Sloth is relatively unconvinced that TS is scum after all. Additionally, while yes, Sloth's suspicion of Charter in D1 is well-documented, his voting pattern went: Charter-Hiplop-Emp. What happened to Hiplop suspicions? Can't keep your story straight, Sloth?

Let's lynch TS. If he flips scum, I demand a Sloth lynch tomorrow. (If this hypothesis is correct, Charter becomes probtown, but whatever.)

[Zdenek]

Any reason you aren't voting?

If I was voting, I'd be voting Twistedspoon, but I see no reason to end the day quickly, so I'm happy to leave him at L-2.

@Zdenek: Please tell me how you can possibly see TS's reaction to the fake guilty as null.

Because I could see that reaction coming from town who was happy that his read was right or from scum who is pleased with the increased chance that town will mislynch.

Just to be clear I'll consider Vi's reasoning:

If hiplop claims Miller or yelps about a Framer, then Teaspoon is already in position to disbelieve it. If hiplop doesn't do any of the above, then clearly hiplop is the lynch du jour because lolguilty. No matter how hiplop responded, Teaspoon was going to park a vote on him.

I think that because of a general reluctance of towns to believe miller claims in general and that there is a pretty good chance (I expect, I've never actually experienced it) that towns would still lynch someone who had a guilty result on them if they claimed to have been framed, that this reaction is one that I could see coming from town already knowing that he wasn't going to believe whatever story Hiplop gave. This whole discussion is essentially pointless because I still think that TS is scum because of how he related with the Empking wagon at the end of day one, and nature of the questions that he asked me just before day one ended.

Zdenek 508 - The post you quoted doesn't actually demonstrate anything

I quoted that TS post because you said,

No, especially with the post that came afterward.

So presumably that post made his reaction seem worse to you.

I agree completely with DY that a TS scum flip would nearly clear Charter and that it would make Sloth look bad.

[Twistedspoon]

i still don't see the reason why my twilight post was scummy

I was stating my last thoughts on empking and my hope that he'd flip scum.
The speed of this wagon is disturbing and I suspect it has scum aboard if not scum driven

[charter]

Sloth's reasons for suspecting me are still crap. They boil down to good town strategy of lynching claimed vanillas.

There's a difference. I'm taking someone off L-1 whereas you would've put someone on L-1.

Also, a hammer would be bad considering how far away from deadline we are.

These two situations are the exact same. Neither of us wanted him at L-1.

Your reason for not wanting him at L-1 IS THE EXACT SAME AS MINE WAS. So you look like a big hypocrite. Scummy.

TS is crying about being suspected, not looking for scum. Even scummier of him. TS, what do you think of Scott and Sloth?

[Faraday]

Zzzzz can we lynch twisted?

[Sloth]

@Hiplop: Re-read TS's initial post after Emp was hammered by Pappums. Everything about it screams that he knew Emp was going to flip town, and he was distancing himself from it.

^Sloth's above post (#526) pretty much confirms him as scum if TS also flips scum. Sloth's #443 actually is the first to point out said scumminess, but now, Sloth is relatively unconvinced that TS is scum after all. Additionally, while yes, Sloth's suspicion of Charter in D1 is well-documented, his voting pattern went: Charter-Hiplop-Emp. What happened to Hiplop suspicions? Can't keep your story straight, Sloth?

Let's lynch TS. If he flips scum, I demand a Sloth lynch tomorrow. (If this hypothesis is correct, Charter becomes probtown, but whatever.)

Huh? When did I say I was relatively unconvinced? When did I ever say that I think TS is town? I think he's scum, just like the rest of you. I just didn't think it was worth it to push a wagon that hard on the first page of D2 when I still think charter is scum, scummier than Twisted.

Charter, my reasons for lynching you aren't crap just cause you say they are. That's not how this game works. Just because a 'nilla claims doesn't mean you go into auto-lynch mode. Quilford's actions after the claim pretty much cleared him as town, in my eyes. If you believe that that is good town strategy, why aren't you still pushing for a Quilford lynch?

[Vi]

Not to plow a dead horse but you're saying Twistedspoon is definitely getting lynched Today, correct?

It looks like this will be the case, but unfortunately I don't get all the say in who gets lynched, just a small part.

Maybe I should rephrase.
Twistedspoon is the person you are definitely intending to lynch Today, correct?

Also, a hammer would be bad considering how far away from deadline we are.

If I was voting, I'd be voting Twistedspoon, but I see no reason to end the day quickly, so I'm happy to leave him at L-2.

Both of you - why?

Claimed scum is obviously an exaggeration - I thought what he did in twilight

was scummy

, yes, but that

doesn't make him 100% scum in my eyes

.

When did I ever say that I think TS is town?

I think he's scum

, just like the rest of you.

"He's not as scummy as advertised" (keeping in mind what everyone has been saying) to "I think he's scum, just like you do"?
(To answer your complaint in advance - no, this isn't an unfair paraphrase.)

---

I owe this game a reread.

[Sloth]

It's a little unfair. I think TS is likely scum, but not 100%.

[Scott Brosius]

And where did the Town read come from to begin with?

Was asking seemingly genuine questions, prodding activity. The twilight to now actions speak much larger volumes than my initial read however.

They boil down to good town strategy of lynching claimed vanillas.

Then why haven't you pursued Quil since your unvote?

Unvote
Vote: twistedspoon

We're going to stay in this state of purgatory otherwise. L-1.

[Twistedspoon]

well I'm VT, I know that much

[Twistedspoon]

It's a little unfair. I think TS is likely scum, but not 100%.

sounds like scum knowing I'll flip town

VOTE: Sloth

[Neruz]

Election Candidates

Twistedspoon

( 5

L-1

)

- Faraday, Vi, DarthYoshi, hiplop, Scott Brosius

Charter

( 1 )

- Sloth

Sloth

( 1 )

- Twistedspoon

Not Voting -

charter, Zdenek, Quilford

With 10 alive, it is 6 votes to lynch.

Day 2 will end around 00:00 GMT+0 on Monday the 23rd.

[Quilford]

And where did the Town read come from to begin with?

Was asking seemingly genuine questions, prodding activity. The twilight to now actions speak much larger volumes than my initial read however.

They boil down to good town strategy of lynching claimed vanillas.

Then why haven't you pursued Quil since your unvote?

Unvote
Vote: twistedspoon

We're going to stay in this state of purgatory otherwise. L-1.

what the shit is this vote
VOTE: Scott Brosius
'oh originally I thought TS was town but FOR SOME VAGUE REASONS I NOW THINK HE'S SCUM'

[Quilford]

VOTE: twisted spoon

Scummy vote on me, i dont really understand the twilight thing but it seems to be a unanimous thing that he claimed scum

l-1 now

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYONE'S VOTING TS BUT HEY I'LL VOTE HIM TOO MMK

OH AND LET'S THROW IN SOME SHIT ABOUT HOW HE VOTED YOU SCUMMILY

[Quilford]

*HE VOTED ME

[Quilford]

OH AND SINCE TWISTED'S VOTED ME ABOUT 5 TIMES IN THE COURSE OF THE GAME, LET'S NOT GIVE ANY SPECIFIC REFERENCES TO WHICH VOTE WAS SCUMMY SO THEY CAN DO THE WORK THEMSELVES

oh dear

despite what everyone's saying, I feel strongly about hiplop and scott scum

[hiplop]

way to ignore my following post.

[Quilford]

to be fair, i think most people thought TS was a toptown read yesterday, but the current actions have greatly changed his appearance

oh wow

This is the same vague bullshit that Scott used to vote twisted. Methinks we have our scumteam (or part of it).

[hiplop]

who's to say he'll flip town? Do you know something compadré?

anyways, didn't I just say in my last post that he was my 3rd highest scum read

, so I'm not actually going to gain any town points from a town-flip empking am I?

Is this what everyone sees as the scumtell? This to me seems uber-scummy. If not, can someone explain this further?

i meant this one

[Quilford]

Yeah, I love how you ask what the scumtell is after you put the guy at l-1.

My point still stands, although you're confusing the shut outta me with your responses to accusations.

[Zdenek]

Both of you - why?

I didn't feel like ending the day then. I think town tends to benefit from extra discussion.

That said, I think Twisted's scum, and while I agree with Quilford's point about Scott's vote on Twisted, since Scott was on Charter before hand, the vote could be bussing after failing to get a different lynch through as scum pushing an easy lynch, so it doesn't change my opinion of the Twisted wagon.

Since there's not much else to talk about since my last post:

Vote Twistedspoon

[Twistedspoon]

Since there's not much else to talk about since my last post:

Vote Twistedspoon

uh have you been reading the thread?

not much to talk about?

my claim for starters maybe?