Mini 1137: Long Overdue Mafia [Game Over!]

[mikemike778]

Mike who's scum and why aren't you voting them?

I am voting Bub or thought I was ... pops off to check.

[Faraday]

Hmm. No hammer. You're clear. So you should hammer Cecily since that means she's scum FYPOV.

[Faraday]

MIKEMIKE DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHO I AM? I AM THE DESTROYER OF WORLDS


I'm a vampire. But seriously. Cecily has to be scum I think? Let me check the numbers.

[mikemike778]

Hmm. No hammer. You're clear. So you should hammer Cecily since that means she's scum FYPOV.

Off to work .. I'm not hammering anyone yet. I really think we should be lynching Bub but will maybe reconsider as Ces would be my second pick.

[Faraday]

Okay put it this way, how likely to you consider setael/havingfitz/setael scum?

[Faraday]

faraday*

You think we're all town. I mean.

[Faraday]

Dude either way aren't they BOTH scum fypov?

[Faraday]

MikeMike are you the traitor to cecily?

[Faraday]

*Mikemike goon hammers traitor cecily for town cred and tries for bub again tomorrow
*Mikemike traitor who knows his scumbuddies (presumably) knows a cecily lynch loses him the game

*Mikemike and bub scumteam means mikemike hammers here

*Bub and cecily...hmm.

Idk, I don't see a way cecily isn't scum o_o

[Faraday]

*If bub doesn't hammer cecily it CONFIRMS her as some sort of scum. if he does we're fucked, but I'm confident enough.

Calling this shit now, Mike and cecily are the scums. Cecily's the goon or w/e. Lynch her and we win and Setael buys me a t-shirt saying 'you're awesome' havingfitz admits i'm awesome too.

[Faraday]

Actually

unvote

as I don't like lynching someone on V/la. Last time I saw that happened the person was angry and left the site >_>

[Faraday]

Bub Bidderskins (3) - Setael, mikemike778, havingfitz
Cecily (3) Setael, Havingfitz, Faraday

Hmm 2 people have reached L-1. I didn't hammer Bub cos he's town and I'm town. Cecily...? She's not around to hammer. Bub won't self hammer.

Anyone better at this sort of this than me I'm a gut player look at this shit is ._.

[havingfitz]

havingfitz admits i'm awesome too.

There have been two players today that have had an opportunity to hammer. Faraday had a chance to hammer Bub and now mikemike had the chance to hammer Cecily. Based on the assumption I am working with that there are two scum still alive...I do not think it would be unreasonable to have one scum bus the other. That said...if Bub was town, and I am town (based on I know I am and based on Faraday's investigation result)...that would mean two of Faraday, mikemike, Cecily and Setael are scum. Setael is being viewed as town because of her push on Pine...Faraday is being viewed as town for his unopposed claim and how it fits in the game plus his accurate investigation result. This would leave Cecily and mikemike as scum. But mikemike was on the Bub wagon when it was at L-1 and I noticed Cecily online ATT as well....which was why I unvoted suddenly. If Bub was town and Cecily is scum as many suspect...I think she had a short window to hammer Bub for the win (assuming 2 scum left).

I'm rambling a bit...it's late and I need to sleep.

So mikemike has a chance to hammer Cecily but is waiting for some reason. What was the reason again?

Also...why do people keep bringing up a traitor? I've never even played in a game that had one before so I find it amusing it keep being brought up. If there is a traitor...does that person even know s/he is a traitor? Is a traitor town until recruited/shanghai'd by scum? If so...wouldn't the traitor have been selected before this point in the game? I'm not sure what good it does to bring up the possibility of there being a traitor of only one scum left. I hope there is one scum left and that it is Cecily. And if there is a traitor (which I hate even hypothesizing about because I don't think there is), if they arean't scum yet then everyone who has a town aura about them is still open to suspicion. Which only helps scum as it braodens the pool of reasonable/likely suspects. And for those who think it may be me....if I don't know I'm one...and Faraday used his inv on me last night....then I still haven't been recruited into the scum group. So I'm not sure why that option is being tossed around. Still rambling. Zzzzzzz

P-edit...looks like Faraday did some pre-hammer thinking too.

[Setael]

Actually

unvote

as I don't like lynching someone on V/la. Last time I saw that happened the person was angry and left the site >_>

I wouldn't have minded (as much) if I had been scum. I agree though, still not a great idea.

I will buy you a T-shirt but it will not say "You're Awesome". I can definitely come up with better - just not when it's the middle of the night and I can only keep one eye open.

[havingfitz]

EBWOP:

"I'm not sure what good it does to bring up the possibility of there being a traitor

of

only one scum left." should have read,
"I'm not sure what good it does to bring up the possibility of there being a traitor

or

only one scum left."

[Setael]

Also...why do people keep bringing up a traitor? I've never even played in a game that had one before so I find it amusing it keep being brought up. If there is a traitor...does that person even know s/he is a traitor? Is a traitor town until recruited/shanghai'd by scum?

I thought it was fairly common. I've been in 2 game with traitors (one that just finished) and in both cases the traitor knew who the scum was, but the scum did not know who the traitor was. The traitor wins with scum, and so tries to help them but if scum dies it's over even if the traitor is still alive.

[Faraday]

Not 'fairly common' but not like..any rarer than a 1-shot neighbouriser >_>

[havingfitz]

So the traitor wants to see scum make it to the end and wouldn't have a kill ability (and therefore no result in an investigation). That seems like a nice prospect for scum to throw out there to keep town suspicious of each other. If there is a traitor <as I smack myself for perpetuating what I think is not the case>, would odds favor there being only 1 scum left? And would the traitor count in the numbers as scum? What I mean is...if Cecily was town....and there was 1 scum and a traitor <smack>...scum NKs town and there are four still alive tomorrow. 2 town, 1 scum, and the traitor. Is that game over? Also...there is no insurance that scum wouldn't have unknowingly helped lynch or NK a potential traitor. I still don't see it being the case. My money is still on two fulltime scum left. If Cecily is scum...we on to MYLO tomorrow and if she's not...game over.

Good night.

Pre-edit. Or two 1-shot neighborizors. I've at least played in games with Neighbors (as you should know). None with a traitor iirc.

Now goodnight.

[Setael]

So the traitor wants to see scum make it to the end and wouldn't have a kill ability (and therefore no result in an investigation). That seems like a nice prospect for scum to throw out there to keep town suspicious of each other.

Especially if we have a gunsmith. A cop would've been able to find the traitor, but a gunsmith can't.

If there is a traitor <as I smack myself for perpetuating what I think is not the case>, would odds favor there being only 1 scum left?

I would say high based on our lack of strong PRs. I keep forgetting we had a vig though, so. I've played in a 13-player game where there were 3 scum + 1 traitor but that game had a full cop, a doc, and a vig and then a 12-person game with 2 scum + 1 traitor. I can't remember what PRs were in that game but seems like they had a full cop too, actually.

And would the traitor count in the numbers as scum? What I mean is...if Cecily was town....and there was 1 scum and a traitor <smack>...scum NKs town and there are four still alive tomorrow. 2 town, 1 scum, and the traitor. Is that game over?

I think the traitor counts in the numbers.

To quote the mod from one game:

If there are two scum aligned players left against one town aligned player in the morning the game will end, regardless of the set up (2 assassins, 1 assassin and 1 traitor).

So when we went to night, there were 5 players remaining - 1 scum, 1 traitor and 3 town. We NK'd a townie and it was game over.

Also...there is no insurance that scum wouldn't have unknowingly helped lynch or NK a potential traitor. I still don't see it being the case. My money is still on two fulltime scum left.

It makes for an interesting game, imo. The scum could bus their traitor without even knowing about it.

Here are links to the 2 traitor games I've played if you want to look at them:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=16388 (charter was the traitor)
http://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewto ... &start=800 (I was the traitor)

[havingfitz]

Thx Setael....I actually think it would be a fun role to have. For our sake I hope the game configuration is either 3 scum or 2 scum + traitor. If we're 3 scum (ie 2 remaining) + a traitor...I think town would be screwed.

Who is not voting Cecily and why are they not commenting on it. Why is Cecily not posting...claiming some sort of defense? She is v/LA until Sunday but she had the time to log on to the site ~11 hours ago when she was starting to garner some renewed attention and votes.

[Faraday]

3scum+traitor is unbalanced. Don't worry about that lol.

[Setael]

That makes me feel better about the scum shutout in that game.

[havingfitz]

I would think so. I only mention it because Setael had an example. Though the example's town PRs were stronger. I'm still banking on three ordinary scum. Though if we are to believe the two weak ass 1-shot neighborizor claims...I could see the 2-1 set up being an option. If that is the case and Cecily is scum...game over/town win. That would work.

Bub...what's up? What are your thoughts on Cecily?

[Faraday]

I suppose 3 scum could work if mikemike is town, actually. But eh.

[havingfitz]

Why does three scum rely on mikemike being town? I mean...Cecily is my top target. If I had to pick a 2nd it would be a toss up between Bub and mikemike. The only reason Bub is ahead in my mind at this time is because of the D1 wagon. But I've backed off of that a bit based on the high number of games with only 1 scum on a D1 mislynch wagon.

How do you see mikemike and Bub and is there anything that really makes you think they are town or scum?