Open 300 - Mafia on Midol (Town Wins!)

[Punkin]

I see two major flaws in your thinking there, Llama.

1. You're giving Ran-scum too much credit. Even if he was killed for his suspicions, I seriously doubt the scumteam who NKed Nacho is planning ahead to optimize LYLO.
   
2. You're forgetting that Ran didn't outright attack you. What he did was use suspicion of you as the excuse for why he was asking for breadcrumbs. If he's scum, he wasn't trying to get you lynched, he was trying to figure out who your innocents were.

@Ran:

This isn't a newbie game and I'm not an IC. Point being: 100% of the people who you accuse of not scumhunting or not providing enough content have been clearer in their stances than you have, 100% of them have voted known scum more than you, and 100% of them seem to have a firmer grasp of this game. That's in spite of all your "content".

@chk:

If you're talking about what I said to SP, that was me questioning him about the ramifications of your vote. His stance at the time was Sudo-town, chk-scum. Yours was that NS was scummy but you moved your vote to Sudo during the buildup of the NS wagon, immediately after my feeler-vote on Sudo. The question had more to do with determining

his

alignment than anything else.

Crazy is on our def-town list.

@PZ:

Good catch. I'm okay with lynching Ran over chk today, especially because of the VT claim. However, I want to reiterate:

chkflip is not to be let into LYLO alive and un-copped

.

UNVOTE: chkflip
VOTE: Ranmaru L-1

[Cyberbob]

Let's do this thing, I'm bored of today.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Verily.

[Papa Zito]

Llamma, the cognitive dissonance with Ran's stance on your claim is here:

I asked Llama that because I didn't believe his claim.

Thor, Llama, CyberBob, and Zito. (Yeah those two are new ones! : D)

Post-claim, he doesn't believe the claim and lists you as a scumpick.

Now that Oman is cleared by Llama, and Agar dead, who are your scumpicks now? (Besides me)

So, lynch Bob. Cop Punkin.

Once he realizes his attempt to discredit you has failed, he suddenly believes the claim and even goes so far as to try to direct your investigation.

[Ranmaru]

And yeah, I'm good with lynching Chk. I'd think he could be connected to Bob somehow. Don't get his town read on him. (He states that he thinks Bob is town because he THINKS bob wouldn't bus a buddy or two that early) and I don't get why Bob came in to prove that he'd do it or not. I'll read it soon and give thoughts.

Unvote
Vote: Chkflip

This is your great counter-wagon? Also, massivescumpoints for making this jump when yours starts to build speed.

I have been voting everywhere since I've been voted. Zito, Bob, and then Chk. But you only say this when I vote Chk? He only had a few people on him anyways.

[Ranmaru]

Llamma, the cognitive dissonance with Ran's stance on your claim is here:

I asked Llama that because I didn't believe his claim.

Thor, Llama, CyberBob, and Zito. (Yeah those two are new ones! : D)

Post-claim, he doesn't believe the claim and lists you as a scumpick.

Now that Oman is cleared by Llama, and Agar dead, who are your scumpicks now? (Besides me)

So, lynch Bob. Cop Punkin.

Once he realizes his attempt to discredit you has failed, he suddenly believes the claim and even goes so far as to try to direct your investigation.

That wasn't addressed to Llama though. When I say "Cop Punkin" It means "Punkin should be copped".

Also, Crazy has already explained he wasn't the cop. That was why I doubted Llama's claim.

[Ranmaru]

I see two major flaws in your thinking there, Llama.

1. You're giving Ran-scum too much credit. Even if he was killed for his suspicions, I seriously doubt the scumteam who NKed Nacho is planning ahead to optimize LYLO.
   
2. You're forgetting that Ran didn't outright attack you. What he did was use suspicion of you as the excuse for why he was asking for breadcrumbs. If he's scum, he wasn't trying to get you lynched, he was trying to figure out who your innocents were.

@Ran:

This isn't a newbie game and I'm not an IC. Point being: 100% of the people who you accuse of not scumhunting or not providing enough content have been clearer in their stances than you have, 100% of them have voted known scum more than you, and 100% of them seem to have a firmer grasp of this game. That's in spite of all your "content".

@chk:

If you're talking about what I said to SP, that was me questioning him about the ramifications of your vote. His stance at the time was Sudo-town, chk-scum. Yours was that NS was scummy but you moved your vote to Sudo during the buildup of the NS wagon, immediately after my feeler-vote on Sudo. The question had more to do with determining

his

alignment than anything else.

Crazy is on our def-town list.

@PZ:

Good catch. I'm okay with lynching Ran over chk today, especially because of the VT claim. However, I want to reiterate:

chkflip is not to be let into LYLO alive and un-copped

.

UNVOTE: chkflip
VOTE: Ranmaru L-1

I have been clear with my stances. Don't tell me I have bad logic when Zito votes Thor for some bad reasons himself. You blind?

I have already explained why I never voted Agar. I have explained why I haven't voted NS (I was V/LA and day has ended quickly), but you seem to be ignoring that. Just because I didn't vote scum doesn't mean I shouldn't even try. Again, stop trying to stifle me.

[Ranmaru]

And no, I wasn't trying to get inno's. YOU wanted the innos early for your VCA. I don't know how asking Llama for a crumb means "inno crumbs".

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Get out.

[Ranmaru]

Try harder, CES.

[Papa Zito]

Get out.

Lawl.

That wasn't addressed to Llama though. When I say "Cop Punkin" It means "Punkin should be copped".

So when you were saying "Punkin should be copped" who were you addressing with that statement.

[Ranmaru]

Everyone.

[Papa Zito]

So you believe there is a cop but that Llama isn't it?

[Ranmaru]

I have already explained that I thought Crazy was the cop. I was wrong.

[Papa Zito]

So then why did you say

Now that Oman is cleared by Llama, and Agar dead, who are your scumpicks now? (Besides me)

Reminder: This was said

before

you told "everyone" that "Punkin should be copped".

[Punkin]

[Ranmaru]

Because of this:

I figured the NS reread stuff and a page of Xine notes into our overall reads.

Scum (in order): Chk, Ran, AGar, Oman.
Town: bob, PZ, SP, Plum, Llama, Crazy.

UNVOTE: chkflip
VOTE: LlamaFluff

Those of you who are still on the Not Voting list should be ashamed of yourselves.

Oman and Agar was part of Punkin's scumpicks. I wanted to know who his new scumpicks would be, since Llama cleared Oman and TS, and Agar flipped scum.

[Punkin]

So Ran, did you ever get around to noticing that that we had stated the answer to your question in the post that was 3 posts before yours?
(Hint, you quoted the relevant post in yours.)

BTW what are you talking about? You addressed a statement to everyone, because you believed you were talking to crazy...?

[Plum]

And yeah, I'm good with lynching Chk. I'd think he could be connected to Bob somehow. Don't get his town read on him. (He states that he thinks Bob is town because he THINKS bob wouldn't bus a buddy or two that early) and I don't get why Bob came in to prove that he'd do it or not. I'll read it soon and give thoughts.

Unvote
Vote: Chkflip

What the hell is this 'he could be connected to Bob somehow'? Even if a Townie does see connections this is

not

how a Townie would go into voting someone. A Townie would say 'And his stances on Bob are also funny and off-looking; let's vote', I think, not 'And he's probably scum with Bob or sommat'. Fake fake reason to 'not get' Chk's Townread on Bob and attack that.

Plus Zito is the bomb. I probably didn't need to say any of that.

UNVOTE:

Ran, any last words?

[Ranmaru]

So Ran, did you ever get around to noticing that that we had stated the answer to your question in the post that was 3 posts before yours?
(Hint, you quoted the relevant post in yours.)

BTW what are you talking about? You addressed a statement to everyone, because you believed you were talking to crazy...?

Thor was null to you behaviorally, and PLUM/CES were null to you, cept that you didn't ever address Plum at all.

If I state my reads, am I addressing it specifically to Llama, or to the whole town? >_>

[Ranmaru]

And yeah, I'm good with lynching Chk. I'd think he could be connected to Bob somehow. Don't get his town read on him. (He states that he thinks Bob is town because he THINKS bob wouldn't bus a buddy or two that early) and I don't get why Bob came in to prove that he'd do it or not. I'll read it soon and give thoughts.

Unvote
Vote: Chkflip

What the hell is this 'he could be connected to Bob somehow'? Even if a Townie does see connections this is

not

how a Townie would go into voting someone. A Townie would say 'And his stances on Bob are also funny and off-looking; let's vote', I think, not 'And he's probably scum with Bob or sommat'. Fake fake reason to 'not get' Chk's Townread on Bob and attack that.

Plus Zito is the bomb

. I probably didn't need to say any of that.

UNVOTE:

Ran, any last words?

Why do you think I was asking his further input on Bob? Chk's town read on bob was weird.

Last words? Cop punkin. PLEASE. Lynch once of Bob/Zito. Crazy is town. CES/Plum are null, but they can go if I care.

Nice buddying on Zito there, Plum.

[Ranmaru]

Also DO note that Thor was the first person to say that I was town. Just a thought.

[Papa Zito]

<3 Plum.


@Ranmaru: Why do you continually insist that Punkin and only Punkin be investigated?

(FTR it's pretty obvious Llama knows what he's doing and doesn't really need suggestions)

Lynch once of Bob/Zito.
Nice buddying on Zito there, Plum.

FFS

Also why a Bob/Zito pair in particular? You've named half the town as suspects.

[Plum]

Lynch once of Bob/Zito.
Nice buddying on Zito there, Plum.

FFS

Also why a Bob/Zito pair in particular? You've named half the town as suspects.

And he's voting Chk. Partly because there may be connections to Bob.

Uh huh.

[chkflip]

MODSKEE: V/LA from Friday, Mar. 13 through Sunday, Mar. 15

Getting shitfaced with my bro in the woods for his birthday.

A little rushed. Just thought I'd reiterate. Thanks!

I'd appreciate being copped if people are asking/telling Llama what to do, lawl.